very few people will have seen the Neil interview

They have probably heard the “why didn’t he just say sorry” comments on social media, TV, radio etc though.

Why didn’t he just say… “Sorry for any slow responses to antisemitism complaints by the party in the past, at my insistence we have improved our systems now, and I personally will ensure we stay on top of such things in future”?

In fact I distinctly remember them admitting they were wrong and that Corbyn had earned the right to continue.

Well, apart from those who have given up and sloped off… either out of parliament or out of the party completely.

2016 “Why aren’t they loyal to the leader, they’re just tories”
2020 “Why didn’t they warn people about the leader, and seek to replace him”

Anyway, I can’t wait for the NHS stuff to get running this morning, and move this on…

then everyone in the labour party is complicit, not just the left.

True. But inexplicable.

My local Labour candidate came knocking last night. I asked him from the outset whether he was a Corbyn man. He would not answer the question directly. He tried to wriggle away from the question, recognising that it is poison, and the wrong answer will undermine everything else he might have to say

If Corbyn’s ‘grass-roots’ support can’t stand up and be counted, what will the folk going to the polls think?

Corbyn wisely doubling down on the USA wanting to do away with the way the NHS works to reduce the price paid to USA companies for drugs. This one needs hammering home.

They would no doubt say it was due to Corb’s ‘integrity’

If you think the labour party should set policy, campaign, and conduct itself with the aim of getting positive headlines in the Daily Mail then it’s not the left who are in la-la-land.

Thats one thing, but literally writing their headlines for them every day is another. He’s an open goal for the Mail and Telegraph and unfortunately the BBC and broadcasters all follow their lead.

He’s a liability. Has been from day one. And he gets progressively more of one. A championship-winning voter repellent

If the Daily Mail, Express, Torygraph and Tory Central office were tasked with choosing the leader of the Labour party, they’d opt for Jeremy Corbyn every single time. He’s all their birthdays and christmases come at once. The gift that just keeps giving. As he proved yet again last night

NickC gave a plausible explanation yesterday.

You mean this:

For those of you who don’t follow internal Labour local party politics (and why would you) look at the chart I’ve posted (of the religious voting in the 2017 election), and note that really large orange spike. That is the Muslim Labour vote. It’s hugely hugely important in the story of both Labour support in the Midlands and the North West, and Anti Semitism, and why the Labour executive struggle with this issue so much. The Labour strongholds in the East Midlands and in large parts of the North West are Muslim. Not helped by muslim, or voted by muslim, to all intents and purpose, the Labour party in many of these areas IS muslim. Nationally it’s massively important, there is absolutely no way that this vote can be lost…The Jewish vote on the other hand…ah, not so much…(voting is after all, a numbers game)

Here’s the problem, there is unfortunately a teeny-tiny part of the Muslim vote that is anti Semitic, and the old guard of some of the Labour Party find common ground with them in the Palestinian struggle. I’ll point this out for the hard of thinking, but it bears repeating.

I totally agree with Nick’s post, [1] BUT it doesn’t explain why some kind of apology can’t be rehearsed relating to the process, that dodges the question in interviews without losing ‘those’ voters.

[1] 300k Jews in the UK, 3,000,000 Muslims. Electorally there’s no doubt which side has to be pandered to.

If the Daily Mail, Express, Torygraph and Tory Central office were tasked with choosing the leader of the Labour party, they’d opt for Jeremy Corbyn every single time. He’s all their birthdays and christmases come at once. The gift that just keeps giving. As he proved yet again last night

They did when they encouraged Tory supporters to pay to become Labour members and vote him in – because they thought he would sink Labour.

IT DIDN’T WORK.

I’ve noticed you only pop up when there is bad news about Corbyn in the media. You never pop up to say that was a good policy etc.

There is no way that interview was anything out of the ordinary. Cut and thrust Paxman with nothing of use to the electorate – you are amplifying ‘their’ bullshit.

The gift that just keeps giving. As he proved yet again last night

It’s not that Corbyn is unpopular from any frame other than the MSM’s reporting. Any Labour leader will get the same sort of treatment. It will just be from a different angle.

You way is just to suit up a new Labour leader – make him a BBC luvvie, jump in bed with Murdoch and deliver the satus-quo (drip-fed Neoliberalism)

There is no integrity in that, and it won’t change our country for the better.

They did when they encouraged Tory supporters to pay to become Labour members and vote him in – because they thought he would sink Labour.

IT DIDN’T WORK.

Ehh? It worked a treat. Labour failed to beat the worst government in living memory in 2017. If that’s not sunk I don’t know what is.

The NHS thing should be incendiary. Do you thing it will be enough?

They should turn it into a catchy slogan and then employ it with varying degrees of success.

For Lady Warsi, who had tirelessly campaigned against Islamophobia for years, having been the country’s first female Muslim cabinet minister, it was a moment she had longed to see. Unable to contain her delight, she tweeted her thanks to Javid, who now serves as chancellor. “It’s a shame,” she added, “that it’s taken four years and a leadership contest to finally drag my colleagues kicking and screaming to address this issue.”

Now, however, it appears that that commitment has been watered down. Earlier this month, days after Gove insisted that the Tories would “absolutely” hold an independent inquiry into Islamophobia before the end of the year, Johnson performed a U-turn. It would instead be a “general investigation into prejudice of all kinds”.

This is not the first time Warsi has found herself at odds with her colleagues. “I’m really, really hesitant about making this Sayeeda v the Tory party,” she says, but “it’s increasingly becoming like that because there are so few other voices.””

So how much coverage does this get? Islamophoba and racism in general is far far more prevalent within the Tory party than antisemitism in labour. We have a racist in charge of the tory party, we have a life long anti racist campaigner leading the labour party

which party has the bigger issue? which party gets more negative press?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/27/sayeeda-warsi-tory-islamophobia-muslim-prejudice-investigation

I’m old enough to remember Britsh Rail, British Leyland, the National Coal Board and British Gas.

None of them leave good memories, why would it be different this time around.

Why wouldn’t it? Private companies are badly run all the time*, we don’t use that as an argument against the concept of privately run companies do we?

You know how people go on and on about how railways are so much better in other countries? Lots of them are nationalised. It’s possible to run a nationalised railway well, so why couldn’t we? Surely you’re not saying those foreigners are better than us?

* like most of the rail companies, in fact, or indeed Railtrack – remember that? Openreach also universally complained about and for that matter utility companies.

Would that not be knocked on the head immediately by staying in the EU? Would it not be the easiest solution to the issue?

In practical terms yes, but not politically.

They did when they encouraged Tory supporters to pay to become Labour members and vote him in – because they thought he would sink Labour.

IT DIDN’T WORK.

You what? It couldn’t have worked better! The labour party is now a completely unelectable, impotent shambles that is about to lose yet another election to a chaotic government led by a far right narcissist. Not only that… its in the process of purging anyone who doesn’t worship at the alter of St Jeremy in a bid to make themselves even less electable. The front bench are gang of utterly incompetent, anonymous placard-wavers

So how do you define that as a success? Go on….

It’s not that Corbyn is unpopular from any frame other than the MSM’s reporting.

He has the lowest approval rating ever recorded for a leader of the opposition. Far worse than Iain Duncan Smith or Michael Howard. Thats not the fault of the press, thats the fault of Jeremy Corbyn

You Corbynites really do need to re-engage with the real world

I can’t help but feel this is ‘it’.

Corbyn has the smoking gun. The contents of that unredacted report are utterly outrageous (assuming the précis I have read is true) and run directly contra to promises Johnson has made.

This should be enough to unite people against Johnson, it really should.

Jezza has the means now, right now. He has to make this count, publicly, repeatedly and loudly. Make damned sure that Johnson has to answer questions about this document and how it runs contra to his assurances.

I can’t help but feel this is ‘it’.

Brexit alone should have been ‘it’.

But it was fumbled into an irrelevance. Let’s see if this is handled any better.

It is ALWAYS tougher for a Labour leader than a Conservative one, when it comes to the media. Johnson, Milne, Murray & Co don’t have the skills to work within that constraint… and there is still the suspicion that they are not even trying. Their aim is the long term transformation of the Labour Party, that matters to them far more than replacing the Tories as the party of government.

Interesting that it’s “sensitive” not “top secret”… there’s a whistle blower’s defence right there. Looks like it was leaked online back in October as well… journalists being caught on the hop… they have nothing genuine to defuse this story with, and nothing to pin on Corbyn. This one needs hammering home… it’s the one thing that can open the eyes of the public to what a Johnson pivot from EU to USA means… it is of very little benefit to the UK economy as a whole, and will be to the detriment of the NHS.