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  • 2019 General Election
  • dazh
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    I believe the word you’re looking for is ‘compromise’.

    You can’t compromise with the devil. There are lines you can’t cross, and this is one of them. It would be selling out, plain and simple, and any claims labour had to holding the higher moral ground and being guided by fundamental principles of fairness and equality would go with it.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Labour members would rather be in opposition than kowtow to the racist fanatics in the DUP, and they’d be right in doing so.

    They might not call a leadership election but Corbyn himself might resign. It would be hard for him to stay leader if it led to a Johnson government, knowing how bad that would be for almost everyone.

    binners
    Full Member

    NO SURRENDER!!!… erm… comrade?

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    🙂

    dazh
    Full Member

    but Corbyn himself might resign

    And what then? Do the DUP get to vet the new candidate list? If the DUP want Corbyn to resign if he can’t form a government, the best thing they can do is keep their mouths shut. In any case, the May govt is a case study in why you wouldn’t want to be a govt propped up by the DUP. Strategically it’s way more trouble than it’s worth. Far better to let Boris get on with his impossible brexit and suffer another few years of defeat and deflation in advance of a new election, which wouldn’t be far away.

    MSP
    Full Member

    FFS binners and kelvin, are you really suggesting that the labour party should sell out their principles to people who are essentially hard right, religious fundamentalist racist fanatics, just for a taste of power?

    Well you have changed you tune now, you have absolutely no qualms with them selling out their principles to get behind brexit (which is the biggest far right driven political moment we have ever had in the UK). But on far more minor points you preach no compromise even in crushing defeat. It is about time you took a look at yourself, and the contradictory nonsense you have been posting for the past few years.

    binners
    Full Member

    Yeah, Daz! You bloody anarcho-communist!

    😛

    dazh
    Full Member

    you have absolutely no qualms with them selling out their principles to get behind brexit

    Rubbish, the fact there was a democratic vote and labour are a primarily a democratic party says all you need to know. Different thread though so take it there.

    and the contradictory nonsense

    Only if you only see the world through the lens of brexit. Problem is brexit is not the overriding driver of everything going on today, it’s a sympton of other things. Again, for the other thread.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Problem is brexit is not the overriding driver of everything going on today

    its the reason we are having an election

    its the reason that traditional party loyalty has been thrown in the air

    its also a financial & political black hole, that ensures whoever wins the GE will have no domestic policy for the next 5-10 years while we wrestle with its complexities

    PJM1974
    Free Member

    I am amazed at the number of people who believe that Brexit will be “done” by the 31st January under the Nazis – sorry, I mean Tories.

    I’m also very confused as to why people will happily vote for a party that’s done nothing but tell weapons grade lies since BJ was elected to lead it.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    yep Ivan Rogers/ Peter Foster break down of where Johnson’s deal takes us after he wins

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Predictable phase 2 of the Tory campaign kicking off…

    1) Get Brexit Done
    2) Cost of Corbyn
    3) Dunno, something about coalitions, or something nakedly anti-Scottish… we’ll see…

    PJM1974
    Free Member

    Remember that the ERG degenerates would be happy to share a land border with an EU member state…

    …think of all of the substandard tat that can be flogged via a leaky border.

    binners
    Full Member

    4) Release Election Manifesto with no actual policies in it

    The Get Brexit Done thing is because Take Back Control worked so well. They’ve sussed out that a big chunk of the population have the attention span of a goldfish and are so distracted by social media and bullshit that they can only ‘think’ in three word slogans on a Facebook meme

    Who needs policies when you’ve got a snappy catchphrase?

    bruneep
    Full Member

    Offt

    PJM1974
    Free Member

    The Brexit Party bunch are not known for their integrity, suitability for office or collective intellect.

    rone
    Full Member

    its the reason we are having an election

    Can’t completely disagree but it’s also about something so much bigger. Swathes of people unhappy about something they think is the fault of immigrants – but have been sold a pup about the way the society works.

    binners
    Full Member

    They’ve been offered easy answers to complex problems, that handily came with a convenient group to scapegoat

    kimbers
    Full Member

    I do wonder that the recent labour surge (OK, 2 polls showing a small narrowing of tory lead) has much to do with new voters, im assuming they are less likely to be captured by pollsters anyway

    but

    There have been 3,191,193 applications to register to vote in those 28 days, an average of 114,000 per day
    That figure is 38% higher than the 2,315,893 applications to register in a similar period in the 2017 election, which equated to an average of 68,000 registrations per day
    Of the applications made since the election was called in 2019, 2,125,064 applications (67% of the total) have been made by people aged 34 or under

    and as younger voters are much more likely to vote labour/libdem/remain that may hurt the tories on polling day (or conceivably split remain vote further!)

    Tories won popular vote last election by just 750,000 votes

    so potentially giving labour a net boost of 1.5million votes

    *of course FPTP & BXP/Tory pact very much skews all this & and is set against 2:1 swing of leavers to tory vs remainers to labour

    Ultimately big surge in younger voters is hopefully giving Tories some squeaky bum time

    kerley
    Free Member

    I’m also very confused as to why people will happily vote for a party that’s done nothing but tell weapons grade lies since BJ was elected to lead it.

    Just listen to the people who get interviewed in the street. A good example from an item on yesterdays news “I don’t trust Boris at all but I like him so will vote for him anyway”

    As Churchill said “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter”

    kerley
    Free Member

    and as younger voters are much more likely to vote labour/libdem/remain that may hurt the tories on polling day (or conceivably split remain vote further!)

    Still amazed that 25% of 18-24 vote Tory. What sort of messed up childhood have they had to be so uncaring at that age.

    jam-bo
    Full Member

    has anyone ever on here actually taken part on one of these polls?

    slowoldman
    Full Member

    They’ve been offered easy answers to complex problems, that handily came with a convenient group to scapegoat

    …and won’t they be pissed off if we leave and it doesn’t solve all their problems?

    kimbers
    Full Member

    jam bo

    Subscriber
    has anyone ever on here actually taken part on one of these polls?

    Im a member of survation & yougov! I was also phone polled by one of them last GE

    was reading somewhere that polling organisations are usually skewed to the right tho as older people simply more politically engaged

    kimbers
    Full Member

    all that said about Labour hoovering up the youth vote…..

    the Tories have stepped up

    v8ninety
    Full Member

    …and won’t they be pissed off if we leave and it doesn’t solve all their problems?

    Yes… with Europe, or with remoaners, or anyone but themselves. 🙄

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    all that said about Labour hoovering up the youth vote…..

    the Tories have stepped up

    What the actual **** did I just read?

    fadda
    Full Member

    That Michael Gove tweet can’t be real…?

    jam-bo
    Full Member

    was reading somewhere that polling organisations are usually skewed to the right tho as older people simply more politically engaged

    More likely to answer the phone…

    molgrips
    Free Member

    What sort of messed up childhood have they had to be so uncaring at that age.

    It takes a while to come out from the shadow of your parents sometimes.

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    I gather Saint Jeremy smashed it out of the park with his interview with Andrew Neil earlier. A masterclass, by all accounts.

    Anyone watch it?

    kelvin
    Full Member

    The “Sturgeon wants to be deputy prime minister” line got used by Johnson today, so that’s phase 3 in the Tory campaign getting kicked off early (it’s also yet another lie).

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Anyone watch it?

    He got roasted. As did the other leaders in the other interviews. Neil won’t hold back with Johnson either.

    jam-bo
    Full Member

    Good job Boris is good under pressure…

    molgrips
    Free Member

    I hope Johnson gets as much of a kicking, he’s on shakier ground.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Neil has a strong right wing bias in his day to day political commentary, but when it comes to these set piece interviews he sets out to skewer all the leaders. The question is, even he succeeds with Johnson… will it make any difference?

    kiksy
    Free Member

    I hope Johnson gets as much of a kicking, he’s on shakier ground.

    Corbyn should of just played the ball as it was given to him. He surely knew that the questions were going to be brutal, so just accept the mistakes and don’t try and weasel out.

    Neil has been fantastic with everyone he’s had on his Wednesday program. Really wish there were more people like him in journalism.

    I see no reason why Johnson won’t get taken to pieces in the most spectacular fashion.

    mariner
    Free Member

    So when do you think the msm and guardian will play the ‘reds under the bed’ about Labour card?

    I suspect it will be a weekend Sunday papers lead and they only have two weekends to go.
    They cant really go the whole secret Kremlin funded plot as Johnson has already bagged that so what do you think the attack line will be?

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Neil won’t hold back with Johnson either.

    Bollox. From previous he is much much softer on tories

    jam-bo
    Full Member

    The question is, even he succeeds with Johnson… will it make any difference?

    Johnson could probably take a shit on the floor and walk out and people would still vote for him.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Bollox.

    Dear oh dear. Past campaign period interviews suggest otherwise. Let’s watch Johnson’s, and see if he gets a soft ride.

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