IME a large chunk of tory voters are closet voters and don’t let on that’s who they vote for.

I suppose at least they are self aware enough to know that selfish and lacking in empathy is not a good look.

And politicians are now claiming it’ll “be over by Xmas”, or within 6 months… it won’t be… it can’t be. And they wonder why trust is hitting all time lows. What will your average voter think when their employer is responding to the latest Brexit uncertainties… in 2021?

As for polls

They are not that great at capturing absolute voting levels

Pollsters improved methodologies after 2017 (and some were actually right- eg survation)

Better at showing trends, last 2 polls showed labour narrowing the gap

But they’d want to be a fair few points closer than they are now to avoid a Johnson majority

But in this election opposition parties are just promising an even longer time of uncertainty

They really aren’t

Lib Dems revoke policy would see the Brexit negotiation hell killed off immediately

Labours 2nd ref would see it either killed off by summer or of if leave a few years of negotiation (conceivably when transition ends in 2021) with minimal divergence & Norway deal by 2022

Tories hard Brexit sees a year of transition, the inevitable extension /no deal cliff edge crapshoot in 2021 when his insanely complex maximum divergence deal is nowhere close to being agreed, 5-10 years before FTA is agreed.

@mooman please read this thread about what Johnson’s Brexit inevitably leads to… https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/1198877316899885056?s=19

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I read about that and it seems the person in question decided to remove the sign to avoid any potential formal action. He was sent on his way if he removed the slogan. Easy way out, I don’t particularly blame him for that.

Unfortunate as I’m pretty sure it’s been tested in court that “bollocks to brexit” is acceptable.

There was that guy in London who fought it, was it a banner over his café /hotel or something?

And plenty of lib dems having that slogan on tshirts..

Sounds like the driver in question simply bottled it when the police put a bit of pressure on him.

Brexit itself will take years whoever tries to implement it. These claims purely refer to getting the withdrawal agreement through parliment. I’m not sure why people don’t understand that ?

Because of more tory lies, point in case the “get brexit done” slogan/sound byte.

What they mean is, if they are being truthful, is “get brexit started”.

It most likely will be done, but with Johnson suggesting it’ll be ‘done’ in January, and Corbyn suggested he’ll get it ‘sorted’ inside 6 months… they are both hoping to get the votes of people who are unprepared for it to take years and years… and that is further going to erode trust in voters when the lies and deceits are laid bare.

Would that be the one that specifically lasted far, far longer and was far far more unpleasant than anyone expected?

Labour really should stand aside…

Not going to happen anywhere, to help defeat any Conservative candidate. That isn’t the priority. And it’s too late now anyway.

Chief Rabbi now weighing in regarding Labour anti-semitism; can’t see that helping Corbyn.
Too many brexiters appear to believe that we’ll be completely out before end 2020; we may have a withdrawal agreement in place but then face possibly 10 years to negotiate and agree trade agreements.
At best the WA, if it happens, will be the end of the beginning.
I’m a committed retainer and hope (against hope) the GE result will provide the opportunity for a 2nd ref and cancellation of A50; in truth, I cannot see a path to that without dealing with the devil in the form of a 2nd indyref for Scotland.
Cameron should be deeply apologetic for the chaos he unleashed – but he isn’t; should be shot (with shit). Arrogance of privilege – Johnson also.

Its neither

Its a concerted effort which has worked to some extent to equate anti isreal sentiment with anti semetic.

Yes there is some anti semitism in labour. Like there is amongst the population at large. However Corbyn is against the vile isreali apartheid government that routinely kills palestinians.

“ Its a concerted effort which has worked to some extent to equate anti isreal sentiment with anti Semitic.”

A more plausible explanation is that Labour has taken on many new members and activists who are anti-semites. They also have a healthy dose of candidates standing whose “heritage” communities are extremely prejudiced against Jews so they are deliberately playing to the gallery.

Rob dixon – that is not plausible at all.

Its as I siad. The isrealis and their apologists are aghast that there is a prospect of a government in the UK that will hold isreal to account for its vile actions. So hence the outcry of anti semitism. It has long been a part of the isreali political scene to decry any criticism of Isreal as anti semitic – although its based on the horror visited upon the palestinians not on a hatred of jews

You can critise the isreali government and support the palestinians without being an anti semite.

https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

Edit – I did not read the text on that site – looks a bit dodgy to say the least. the maps show the picture clearly tho.

Plenty of photos of the Chief Rabbi hanging with Johnson.

Is this racism thing politically selective?

And … how does this make Johnson fit for office?

Massive conspiracy loon site, TJ.

911, birthers, oh and a nice bit of Jewish banker conspiracy thrown in.

Well done.

A moment of research would have told you, but if it suits the narrative, eh?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/What_Really_Happened

Woeful position for labour to be in

Hopefully they’ll be forced to make a change now & their new religious tolerance manifesto today will help.

Can’t see any votes from the Jewish community coming back though.

Meanwhile Ivan Rogers (who’s last well publicised speech predicted exactly what happened to Mays negotiations) has pointed out how Johnson has managed to box himself in, in exactly the same way for the more complex Future Relationship talks.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/johnson-sowing-seeds-of-biggest-brexit-crisis-yet-warns-sir-ivan-rogers

that goes back to the Bolsheviks

Yep, Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Rosa Luxembourg, Ygael Gluckstein, Ernest Mandel, Harry Pollitt, John Berger, Ralph Miliband all terrible anti-semites

TJ please please stop with this. Please think about what you’re saying. You are using the global conspiracy/divided loyalties trope of “All Jews are controlled by Israel” to divert criticism of a British political party by British citizens.

It’s not a right wing press issue, it’s a labour party issue that actually exists, that you a white man in Edinburgh who has no personal experience of it is, I think, part of the issue here, Labour activists I know personally have had pretty abhorrent abuse thrown at them by other labour members.  You can argue the toss about whether Corbyn has sat on his hands or not (I think the executive have handled the whole thing really badly), but by denying the issue, you’re party to letting it happen.

For those of you who don’t follow internal Labour local party politics (and why would you) look at the chart I’ve posted (of the religious voting in the 2017 election), and note that really large orange spike. That is the Muslim Labour vote. It’s hugely hugely important in the story of both Labour support in the Midlands and the North West, and Anti Semitism, and why the Labour executive struggle with this issue so much. The Labour strongholds in the East Midlands and in large parts of the North West are Muslim. Not helped by muslim, or voted by muslim, to all intents and purpose, the Labour party in many of these areas IS muslim. Nationally it’s massively important, there is absolutely no way that this vote can be lost…The Jewish vote on the other hand…ah, not so much…(voting is after all, a numbers game)

Here’s the problem, there is unfortunately a teeny-tiny part of the Muslim vote that is anti Semitic, and the old guard of some of the Labour Party find common ground with them in the Palestinian struggle. I’ll point this out for the hard of thinking, but it bears repeating. That the Israeli Govt are arseholes about Palestine, is NOT the fault of British citizens who happen to be Jewish, OK TJ? Have you got that message now?

To start with the easy ones; DUP. For another there’s the Loyalist/Protestant/Rangers FC contingent in Scotland.

Tbf the DUP love a good bonfire & provocactive march to commemorate 300 year old sectarian battles

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/fury-as-dup-deputy-mayor-poses-for-photo-with-irish-flag-burning-38280120.html