Why not before now?

This is a fair assessment of why now…..

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/10/24/remain-should-push-for-an-election

The irony of all this is that if this election is to stop Brexit as the stated aim of LD and SNP – then it needs to deliver a Labour led Govt – this maybe a minority with support from SNP, LD and others. But any other even vaguely feasible result either leaves stalemate or a Boris Johnson deal Brexit

If the LD and SNP are playing this straight they are relying on a Labour surge as per 2017 to deliver their stated objective

I think we could see labour backing this today now that Johnson has withdrawn the brexit bill.

Yeah. Let’s do it.

Will certainly make Xmas different.

if this election is to stop Brexit as the stated aim of LD and SNP – then it needs to deliver a Labour led Govt

Not true. The lib dems are the only party with remain as their policy. They’re neck and neck with Labour in the polls and seat distribution is impossible to calculate. For the first time in 100 years, and perhaps for the last time the Libdems could win. Tories and Labour are both losing votes to BP and Lib dems. (The only reason to vote Labour this time is habit since their Brexit policy is to offer a glorified coin toss.)

The student vote aside, the 12th may not be so bad

Students can easily arrange postal votes, I expect they already do. I think the 12th will be fine.

” If no party wins an overall majority in the GE then that immediately triggers a properly scrutinised, legally binding, 2nd brexit referendum”

A big yes to this from me. I’m opposed to all referendums on this topic (and most others) but that totally overcomes all my objections.

Will 9th or 12th December be achievable if the option to include 16/17 year old is accepted?

Not true. The lib dems are the only party with remain as their policy.

Not true. I suspect your logic is that of Swinson and co though. The lure of power outweighs the risks.

Will 9th or 12th December be achievable if the option to include 16/17 year old is accepted?

That does seem somewhat suspect and gesture politics. Even if it managed to get passed the logistics seem hard to get through in the time frame.

The lib dems are the only party with remain as their policy.

Not true.

Which other party has remain as their policy?

Seems to me that the Tories/BP are leave, the Libdems are remain and all the others are the coin toss of a referendum.

What a total cluster.

At this point in time I feel I have nothing to add except for continuing posting subsistence-budget meal-recipes and dad-jokes.

When did this country become two competing species of rat floating on a leaking ship stranded in the doldrums? Uncle Sam will be along shortly to mop up.

the Libdems are remain and all the others are the coin toss of a referendum.

So,by this logic, you are saying the Libdems have only recently become a remain party. Curious.

For the first time in 100 years, and perhaps for the last time the Libdems could win.

What odds are you giving against that happening as I will have a £1,000 on it please. In no way ever are the lib dems going to come close to winning.

The SNP are also a remain party. And are bigger than the Lib Dems

Do Labour want Brexit?

So,by this logic, you are saying the Libdems have only recently become a remain party.

Yes, I am, before that they were a referendum party.

Indeed Vince Cable called for an EU referendum in 2007 and an EU referendum was in their manifesto in 2010, so they’ve had a long recent history of not being a remain party.

but this pretence about LibDem policy on Brexit from Labour supporters is nonsense]

a)I am not a Labour supporter and b) its outofbreaths definition.
As for the Libdems. I prefer something a bit more solid than their yellow unicorns. I find it fascinating that people rant and rave about Labour lack of precision but dont ask the questions about what exactly Libdems are offering. If I tactically vote for them what will happen if they dont get a majority. What will they want on the ballot paper? Considering their consistent attacks on Labour will they try and force a new leader more in their mould?

Considering their consistent attacks on Labour will they try and force a new leader more in their mould?

YES. There is no way the lib dems will work with Corbyn or Boris in government. Whatever happens they will make it conditional on the party they work with having a credible leader. Which frankly won’t be a problem, because they can’t work with the Torys because the Torys have put all their eggs in a leave basket and Corbyn will go anyway if he doesn’t win outright.

(Ok, we don’t know all of that but we can make a pretty shrewd guess.)

*endless screaming*

For the first time in 100 years, and perhaps for the last time the Libdems could win.

What odds are you giving against that happening as I will have a £1,000 on it please.

I don’t bet ever but if I did I wouldn’t bet on this. This is the hardest election to predict in our lifetimes.

It’s on. Corbyn has confirmed they will support an election.

That can’t be right Tory fan boys and leavers tell us he’s too scared.

Bless him. Grandad just wants this nightmare to be over so he can toddle off and spend more time with his aubergines.

Pity it means a hard brexit and 5 years of Boris Johnson for the rest of us…