The sad thing about this is that it is likely to the Brexit election when it should really be about the climate catastrophe.

The sad thing about this is that it is likely to the Brexit election when it should really be about the climate catastrophe.

This is true.

I’m sure links between those who wanted the referendum, and then campaigned for leave, to groups that either deny climate change is a problem, or know that it is but still want the focus kept on increasing the use of climate damaging fuels, are purely coincidental.

Last two years?
Lets see Freedland coming up to the 2017 election.
2017 variant

Still I am sure Cumming and co will look forward to the useful idiots being more dedicated to attacking anyone vaguely leftwing whilst letting the hard right get away with it. Best shown by the absolute dedication to turning every **** thread into an attack on Corbyn.

I look forward to some superb”comrade” or hilarious screenshot in response demonstrating the absolute lack of self awareness from someone dribbling out “common room” and “sixth form” unless I guess its a freudian acknowledgement of their own failings.

The problem with a General Election would exactly be that it shouldn’t be a de facto Referendum.

We arse about tit find ourselves in it again.

It will almost certainly bring us back to where we were.

Then what do you do?

Good article from the Grauniad.

Ha ha. How predictable! Jonathan ‘King of the Centrist dullards’ Freedland and his identi-kit Corbyn articles. Great sleeping material.

I read your Guardian overload’s article before I saw it posted here (and knew it would be) and my memory went back to 2017 when he wrote the ‘exact’ same article about Corbyn then.

Here’s one of JF’s failed maulings of Corbyn before the 2017 GE.

No more excuses: Jeremy Corbyn is to blame for this meltdown

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/05/jeremy-corbyn-blame-meltdown-labour-leader?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

A vote share of 27% he said… (Was 40)

The centrists are very much the cult here because Corbyn doesn’t subscribe to their view of ‘some of us did okay’ Labour; so they perpetuate their fixations on taking him down with the same combination of innacurate predictions and frustrated Waitrose car park space ranting.

Filling forums with repeated anti-Corbyn bile.

Give us something new Binners.

(Oh Dissonnace beat me to it.)

The problem with a General Election would exactly be that it shouldn’t be a de facto Referendum.

That’s what it will be and that’s exactly what it should be in a representative democracy with one issue being overwhelmingly more important than all the others. Referendums are completely unhelpful for all the reasons we’ve analysed (and lived through) over the last three years.

In contrast as long as the coming election arrives before Brexit the Leave vote will be split Tory/BP and the Libdems have the monopoly on the remain vote. Libdems are already neck and neck with labour in the Polls with an entire 50pc or the electorate looking to vote for a remain party.

(The one exception to all the above being PP’s idea of a Referendum in the event of a hung parliament, in which case a case could be made against a third ref except in the same circumstances which might not happen.)

Because he got almost double the votes to his next nearest challenger in 2016.

It ain’t hard.

err the key word is ‘still’…

Come on, it aint hard

Aye, we all know democracy ended in 2016 (2014 for viewers in Scotland).

So do you lot seriously believe that Corbyn can win the upcoming general election? That a labour majority is a realistic proposition?

Because to me, there’s a very good reason that Joris Bohnson is doing everything in his power to engineer a general election as soon as possible.

Because looking across the despatch box he’ll have the same feeling that Pep Guardiola will have had watching Southamptons 9-nil capitulation last night, and knowing you’ve got them next game.

And most labour MPs look like they’re relishing the prospect of an election about as much as Ralph Hasenhuttl will be relishing his trip to the Ethiad

Actually the real reason is probably cos they don’t trust Boris

So why not hold an election get into power and make some changes then…

Oh hang on, its because the gutless bearded ****t knows his party will be all but wiped out.

What’s gutless about avoiding a fight you suspect you won’t win?

Nothing. But you have to then put yourself in a position where you can win. And that is where it all goes wrong for Labour. They have the wrong leader and truly awful policies. I think they are done.

Whatever Boris [says he] wants, do the opposite.

Careful. Risky to think quite so simply. The timing of the next election is a real minefield. Still going to be 2020 I suspect. It should have been this summer.

It utterly baffles me why Starmer isn’t Labour leader.

It’s not rocket science. Get someone who isn’t controversial or a non-committal idiot and who seems professional who would appeal to more people outside of their party bubbles. It just seems both main parties are cutting off their noses etc etc. I guess there’s politics within politics!

There’s a lot to be said for delaying an election just to be able to watch johnson swinging ineffectually in the wind, making one error after another.

But it would be a better strategy if labour were not so far behind in the polls.

Oh hang on, its because the gutless bearded ****t knows his party will be all but wiped out.

Actually it’s cos they don’t trust the blonde lying **** in no10 not to connive some sort of no deal Brexit while the politicians are all on the election trail,
Don’t forget no deal is the default position if the rest of the EU deny an extension,
And a no deal is exactly what the blond in no 10 and his rich cronies want so they can screw the rest of us good n proper 🤮