Interesting take on why people didn’t like Corbyn and not something I’d thought of:

“If you are on the doorstep and one person mentions Brexit, but five people mention the leader of the Labour party for being the reason they are not going to vote for you, then things need to change. I believe that the leader of the Labour party should not be resigning today, he should have resigned a long time ago.”

On the “patriotism” angle… Corbyn’s responses to Russian spies out to kill in England, and Iranian attacks on ships, did Labour no favours whatsoever.

In The Sunday Times. The New Statesman editor said he couldn’t endorse Labour because Corbyn,s indulgence of anti semitism, refusal to take a stance on Brexit and toxic associations with extremists over several decades.

kelvin

Subscriber

Even if his response was limited to that, and you consider it the correct balanced response… it was seen as siding with Russia after an attack on UK soil by many.

Sure. And basically that’s an issue that you have to tackle. But can you tackle it by pitching every policy and every word you say based on how it might be twisted by a hostile media? Asking for evidence isn’t siding with anyone. And the lack of evidence gave Russia a perfect attack line.

The delivery around that message was pisspoor from Labour- it should have been along the lines of “Clearly Russia are the number one suspects but we have to prove that.” They might not respect the rule of law but we do, that sort of thing. It is our government’s responsiblity to prove then act.

And on that note a more aggressive response to the tories would have been smart, too- “they talk a good game but what are they actually doing?” Because the government response to both Iran and Russia was piss-weak and that was asking to be hammered. Remember, Corbyn did call for stronger action against Russia once the case was actually proven. But that got totally lost in the mire.

They definitely had a hard job to get that message out but they botched it. But that wasn’t just about asking for evidence.

oldmanmtb2

Member

No point looking back…. focus on the shit show post brexit.

Don’t agree tbh, like I said elsewhere the Tories will be learning every possible lesson and honing every succesful tactic from the election, nobody else can afford to do any less. And specifically in Labour’s case it’s the refusal to analytically look at their own successes and failures that lets them make the next mistake.

And nothing’s really changed yet- we know what’s coming but there’s no retaliation against brexit that’ll work until it really starts to hit home. Sadly it’ll be “project fear” from now until the worst starts to arrive.

There’s little we can do beyond looking after our own small bubble of friends and family.
We will have to see how the next few years pan out. I’m expecting a lot of pain and misery but hopeful that I’m wrong.
However, I intend to hope for the best and plan for the worst so am rationalising finances to best protect me and mine.
Have cancelled all unnecessary direct debits and now have a further £80 per month to absorb some possible cost implications of leaving.
5 years is a long time so ride the tide.

Strategy.

Some seats appear to be political – for example Labour continued to target @lucianaberger in Finchley and Golders Green but it did not prioritise @RuthSmeeth in Stoke on Trent North

Ditto with several Corbynsceptics as resources were marshalled elsewhere 3/5 pic.twitter.com/2lt6dI7UsF

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) December 21, 2019

They say that Labour was warned but kept this document as their central strategy and refused to develop a new plan

"Murphy and Milne are responsible for the most catastrophic defeat in almost a century. They must go."

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) December 21, 2019