We’re not French.

We’re not French.

Maybe we should aspire to be though…

So, taking my own constituency as an example. The incumbent MP retained his seat with 46% of the vote with a turnout of, just shy of 72%.
I think this is actually a pretty good example of FPTP working as intended and yet even with those numbers it’s massively unfair.

Out of 68330 registered voters, 45719 did NOT vote for the winner.!!!! How can that be.? (This includes those who are registered but did not vote, I included them because their reason for not voting cannot be known but feeling unrepresented cannot be discounted as a reason)

They simply don’t care? That’s an entirely valid position. One I held for a couple of decades until Corbyn appeared.

That’s a fair point, however, if they were all made to care somehow (compulsory or mandatory voting is a whole other issue), unless they ALL voted for the 2nd place candidate, it STILL wouldn’t have made any difference.

unless they ALL voted for the 2nd place candidate, it STILL wouldn’t have made any difference.

So you might as well stop carrying on about how unfair this system is; it is the system in the country.

I doubt it too

But it could keep Labour out for decades

Riddle me this: if brexit is so popular, what happened to the Brexit Party vote?

It voted Conservative to get Brexit done.

I doubt that. Remember Boris’s speech, thanking people for loaning him their vote?

That was about showing the voters in the North some respect, something sorely missing from a Labour Party who considered that it owned those people’s votes.

Remember Boris’s speech, thanking people for loaning him their vote?

That’s just correct use of English, he went to a different school to you.

I’m alright jack.

I hope things continue to be that way for you.

I’m alright jack.

Didn’t say that though, did I?  I have as many issues as the next man I suspect.

Edit:  I’ll try to explain it.  Many of you know I received CBT for fear of flying, and I carried some of that learning into my day to day.

To me, what’s happening here is equivalent to me being stuck on a plane which right now at this very moment is in save and level flight, albeit the Captain has told us there’s some Turbulence ahead and you are all running around shouting “We’re doomed!  we’re all going to die!  The planes going to break up!”

Except, it isn’t doing that now is it?  It might, but then again the Captain may decide to alter course and avoid it, or he might be a selfish **** and fly straight though it because he wants to get home quicker.  Thing is, as we sit here right now none of us really know which it’s to be even though the planned course is outlined on a map.

Does that make sense?

Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense.

I’d offer you some additional advice… stay away from political threads on internet forums where other people want to discus these things, rather than ignore them.

I’d offer you some additional advice… stay away from political threads on internet forums where other people want to discus these things, rather than ignore them.

im following the thread because:

Kryton, what changes elections and consequently countries is public discussion. I’ll be upset about the things that happen to people, and I’ll deal with it, but I won’t forget about it.

I’ll continue to talk about the issues though (although not whine) because they need to be discussed and remembered so we can hold the government to account if they don’t fix them.

If opting or forgetting about the issues is what leads to people not caring which is what leads to them not getting fixed.

I happen to agree with molgrips. What I’m reacting to is the mental anguish, talk of moving out of the country an extremism such as riots that is quite prevelant on these threads.   I’m not suggesting anyone – nor I – bury their head in the sand.

However, if PM BoJo does not deliver then in the next GE you will definitely see a new party gaining ground.

It really won’t, labour will squabble for the next while, but they’ll have 5 years to come up with something better.

There will be no new party, the tory/labour merry go round will continue.

Whether the switch happens in 2024 or 2029 is up for debate, and subject to what happens over the next 5 year, but labour won’t die no new power will emerge.

It really won’t, labour will squabble for the next while, but they’ll have 5 years to come up with something better.

I think they are stuck with no new ideas judging from their current bunch of politicians.

There will be no new party, the tory/labour merry go round will continue.

That depends on whether people still believe in the two main parties or take the risks for something new.

Whether the switch happens in 2024 or 2029 is up for debate, and subject to what happens over the next 5 year, but labour won’t die no new power will emerge.

My view is that there will be no switch for at least 3 terms unless Tories screw up massively.

What’s wrong with that? The country has diverged even further from my values, wouldn’t it make sense for me to want to go somewhere more in alignment?

It is not permanent regardless (divergence) and it will be back again in future but whether you can wait is another story. Whatever makes you happy go for it.

Of course, I no longer have the right to do that but whatever.. am I still allowed to be pissed off about that or not?

I am sure if there is a will there is a way. It only takes 10 years to switch/move to another country. Alternatively is to make the best of what you have now. Forget about the world as they can take care of themselves.

Riddle me this: if brexit is so popular, what happened to the Brexit Party vote?

In leave areas it went up. More than the conservative vote in many cases. But they were never going to actually get elected. That’s not the point of Farages pet projects. Next up, the reform party.

Depends how voters judge them. If Brexit goes the way the odds say it will (either no deal by the deadline, or the worst possible deal) an it has even half the economic impact that forecasts say it will, it might be the end of the Conservative Party as we know it. The bad news is, what replaces it.

They will be silly to gamble as they know truly well that the Red Wall only lend them the power for now. PM BoJo knows that he won because of then power lent to him and acknowledged that for Tories/his victory. If PM BoJo is silly enough to go against the people wishes then Tories will go the same way as Labour as we witnessed on Thursday/Friday.

The bad news is, what replaces it.

There will be new party if main party(s) does not deliver. It will be a slow process though as trust is not easy to gain.

In this case, the Captain has announced he’s put the plane on autopilot and it’s going to crash into a mountain. The crew and those in first class have parachutes. Your feelings on the imminent disaster are obviously tempered by your seating arrangements. You can either think “**** it, I have a chute and don’t care about the rest” or you might be thinking “hang on a mo, maybe we need to storm the cabin door”.

Jo Swinson, classy as always…

I heard Mr Cole Hamilton boasting on the radio that Jo Swinson should be admired for not demanding a recount. In fact her recount demand was rejected by the returning officer after which she threatened legal action against him. #stayhonest #GE19 https://t.co/pSlkrxIW7S

— JOHN NICOLSON M.P. (@MrJohnNicolson) December 14, 2019

I think it will take over 5 years for people to realise the unicorns have deserted the sunlit uplands though

They will be starting to see it within 5 years. More importantly they need to be asked “is anything better for you now”, “what difference to your life has it made”, “was it all worth it”

I think it highly possible we won’t be leaving on 31st Jan.

0.000001% chance of that now.

The end of the transition period is an altogether different matter, because that is when companies and state bodies need to have systems in place for whatever comes next. The chance of the “implementation period”, as May put it, having to be extended for new systems to be made ready is high. I suspect Johnson will make the “exit date” happen when he has promised, to reduce the political cost of the date of us actually leaving the Single Market and Customs Union not being when he promised. April 2021 anyone?