I see the Nationalists are now a majority in Northern Ireland.

What does that mean in terms of re-unification of Ireland?

**** em! Work harder for people who will abuse their position for less with the threat of loosing your job hanging over your head, sit at home too knackered to play whilst your children look at you disapprovingly like you are some abject failure, sell your bikes to feed your family, whilst digging in the back of the sofa for the change that was dropped there back in early 2016.

I’m neither a Political revelation or someone unusual but I manage to maintain an element of control and have achieve a level of success above that having been brought up in exactly that background.  Ive gotten on with things, worked hard and tried to make the right decision.

What I didn’t do is spent my life bemoaning what my boss is earning or rebelling against my employer that’d put my job in jeopardy.  You can carry that attitude bike bouy or you can get on with living.   Like I said, I’m not going to have a mental war with myself for the next five years.  If I need to queue in the Foriengers line when entering Europe so be it.   If I have to wait longer for a small op, so be it.   If I lose my job, I’ll look for another etc.

Get on with things, continued moaning is just self destructive

You can carry that attitude bike bouy or you can get on with living.

Well, I respect you for the changes you have made recently to your own personal situation, your outlook and your home life. You’ve certainly made the right changes.

I wish you well. Whatever decisions you make.

I will make my own decisions, at the moment I feel that there is nothing to celebrate, nothing to look forward to and only see a worsening of the UK s social attitude. I am in the minority in know that now. People have voted for a social Wild West environment and there will be a few who succeed but many that won’t.

What I will stand by is my core personal ideals. If that means I have to tell lies and deceive then so be it, it’s the Tory way now, toe the line or loose. Simple.

“this is a 30+ year project”

30 years of Tory rule?

Hopefully the foolishness will be clear to all after the next election. It won’t be before then I fear. Prove me wrong Labour… please.

The only smidgen of hope is that Boris Johnson has effectively been liberated from the ERG headbangers, and has an opportunity to be slightly more moderate in both his approach to Brexit and domestic policy. Trouble is he’s surrounded by hardliners in his present cabinet, having purged all the sensible voices.

Hopefully this. Might be smidgen, but it’s all we have I think.

So it seems that the Tories managed to convince people in the working class heartlands to hold their noses sufficiently to vote for them and getting Brexit done better that Lab/Lib Dems managed to persuade folk in the other direction. Tory majorities in those areas are down but not by enough to win the seats. BoJo reflected that in his speech (‘loaned me your vote’)

Has Corbyn been a factor – yes he was in place in 2017 but I think we’ve had 2 years now of seeing what an ineffective opposition he has been and as a result what a poor PM he’d make, and that’s now crystallised in the vote.

I really thought this was heading another way but I clearly don’t know my own country from my safe seat in the home counties. Am i happy to have had the referendum result rammed home again; no, but it’s answered in my mind the question of did/do people (think they) know what they voted for and are they still OK with that choice. I can’t pretend to agree or understand still, but maybe I’m wrong in my views. Time will tell. They won, we lost, time to get over it.

One of my kids is going through a really bad time, and I give them advice that i need to listen to myself. Sometimes life is like a dark scary forest, that you have to cross. You can stand and look at it for ages, but it’ll still be there in front of you. You can take tentative steps through it and it will take time to cross, or you can stride into it and try to walk positively to the other side. But above all, once going you can’t stop, because then the only place you’ll be in in the middle of that forest. I’m going to try and walk positively, be good to the people I meet on the way and hope they’ll be good back to me.

The one thing about these threads I find very sad is how angry or depressed people get over politics, many of which they cannot influence.

How can I not be angry or depressed? There are people sleeping in doorways right now in the cold and rain because no-one has the money to help them. Because Tories. I can’t just pretend they’re not there.

When we have sufficient homeless services, when our NHS is well funded and effective, when are schools have the money they need to educate my kids, when our poor and vulnerable are looked after and helped, then I’ll feel better. But I can’t ignore any of this.

Hmmm, not sure how I’m gonna cope/deal with my raving Brexit in-laws on Christmas day now…

People who have moaned about life in the UK as long as I’ve known them, how hard done by they are, how they never get helped out (they’re on disability benefits with a motobility car and are at the doctor’s/hospital more often than I’m in the supermarket).
People who moved to Spain for about 5 years as they were so fed up with life here and ended up in a ‘little England’ town in Spain with all their over-tanned wrinkly friends.

Every time they moan about how long it takes them to get a doctor’s appointment, how they have virtually no pension, why ‘brexit’ is taking so long, why there are still immigrants on our streets I will remind them that they wanted this and actively voted for it…

I hope as our rights are slowly eroded that no one finds themselves in the position I was in a few years ago where thanks to changes in the law made by the Tories (assisted by the Lib Dems) was days away from becoming homeless. I was only saved thanks to the generosity of my family and some luck with jobs. If that had happened I’ve no idea where I’d be now.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexit

Corbyn is not an amoral man. He can never tell a lie: pretending to watch the Queen’s Christmas message in the morning showed he’s not used to fibbing. He is a man without any qualities required of a leader, mental agility, articulacy, strategy, good humour or charisma.

LOL

Oof

Oooh! I forgot! The centrist! There’s one on here how’s mad keen on “blaming” the centrists, isn’t there? Similar b011ox was spouted after the Attlee government lost power, but you wouldn’t know that, what with, you know, the rewriting of history, doublethink and everything.

Hah!

Nailed it.

67% turnout is indeed a travesty, totally incomprehensible to me how so many people can decide that the future direction of this country is not worth 20 minutes of their time.

I’m struggling to see how my, and my peer group’s, political view of the world is so diametrically opposed to the rest of the country. All this talk of Brexiters being narrow-minded and refusing to see other people’s points of view – are they in the right and me in the wrong? I’ve tried to do everything correctly:

* reading the manifesto’s and arguments form all the parties, researching the background and making my own, informed descision.
* talking about things with people of opposing sides and trying to understand why they are making the choice they are.
* reading multiple media sources to get a broader picture, refusing to just read articles that reinforce my view.
* putting the needs and aspirations of others ahead of my own personal opinions at times when it can make a difference.

Am I the one that needs to step out of my little world, accept that my opinion is wrong and join the majority? Or just abandon any interest in politics and let the rest of the country decide my world for me? I know which one I feel like doing right now after years of political war in this country.

I’m seriously worried about what lays in store for the next 5+ years.

Well I take that back, Cardiff North MP Anna McMorrin held onto her marginal seat with an increased majority . I put it down to all the canvassing she did with the adorable Cadi 😍 who couldn’t vote for her 😁😁

That was the one saving grace for us this morning.

Some good news.

67% turnout is indeed a travesty, totally incomprehensible to me

As above, the lack of real alternatives made a lot of people see it a forlorn hope.

And it was raining.

the least worst option

As a country, is that the best we can do?

Some good news.

I know I know it is a bit optimistic but so be it. 😄

The good news is that Labour is slowly being eaten inside out. If they get it wrong again in the next GE Labour will become insignificant forever. Forever.

Jo Swinson losing 🤣. Knew that is going to happen as she risked it all.

SNP will get a surprise in the 2nd referendum … 😀 Go if they wish.

In the meantime Tories will have to watch their back if they don’t deliver Brexit, coz it will be a new opposition party that will challenge them in the next GE.

<Desperately looks for positives>

There are few, but:

Brexit Party / UKIP are done, purpose served. Farage will be unbearable, but he once again failed to get any MPs elected, of course that wasn’t his goal, his goal was to draw voters from Labour. His prize will be handed to him very soon, Peerage probably. He’ll go to the Lords, Gloat at bit, then not bother to turn up.

Brexit is done, yes I know there’s lots to be negotiated but I honestly think a bad decision is better than no decision and I think we’re all completely fed up about it. I hope to see a lot of flag waving Leave voting ‘ex pats’ crying into their beer and fried egg stained vests as they blame “The Spanish” for denying their applications to stay in their Country.

The UK, just might, calm the **** down a bit. I mean the Tories called for the Referendum in 2015, and since then it seems like the UK has been at war with itself. We’re more polarised than ever before in my lifetime and there’s no tolerance to speak of. It seems like we’ve all retreated into our own little echo-chamber bunkers.

It’s going to be tough, but it’s not going to be Armageddon, just yet anyway.

You never know, Trump might lost next year and the Western World might just step back from the Far Right Brink.

coz it will be a new opposition party that will challenge them in the next GE.

Will it? Do you mean a re-invigorated Labour or something else?

Because as someone pointed out a few day ago (could be daz, not sure) the Blairish, smoother, more electable Labour will struggle to get a foothold in the current party. I can’t see who could lead them who would appeal to anti-Corbyn types and the New New Labour

Eddie Izzard maybe.

You’ve got to hand it to Nicola Sturgeon.

In her tenure as party leader in Westminster elections the  SNP have won an astonishing 78.5% of the seats that they’ve contested.

That’s North Korea and Zimbabwe levels of electoral success and i’d imagine makes her one of the most effective party leaders in any Western democracy in modern times.

Unfortunately, as far as the UK Parliament goes all this success has managed to is  transform the SNP from an invisible irrelevance to  slightly more visible irrelevance.

I don’t imagine i’ll get the chance to vote for indyref2 anytime in the next decade.

Corbyn should have called a VONC and tried to form a minority government  when he had the numbers.

The moment has passed.

Binners was right all along.

Not come to argue or get my point across this morning and this will be my 1st and last post on a political thread on STW…

….however this is about the only place I can come to share my sense of despair and sadness.

Not even sure why I’m sad as ultimately the wheels will roll on I just am. ☹️

As you were 👍

Be nice to each other 👍

Brexit Party / UKIP are done, purpose served.

I’ve heard him say his next job is “the reform party.” He’s not gonna go away 😰