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  • 2019 General Election
  • llama
    Full Member

    I need a new info bubble

    tjagain
    Full Member

    raybanwomble

    Member
    Agree with Binners, we in the UK do not have a culture of left wing politics of the Corbyn variety

    Utter bollox. Speak for your self and the rest of your tory southern pals. There is a long history of much more radical leftwing thought and politics. Corbyn is not even radical at all. YOu think he is because of the constant media feeding.

    Vast swathes of the UK have not voted tory in decades.

    What this shows is the malign effects of the biased media and the vile racist attitudes of some. It also shows how dysfunctional our electoral system is.

    raybanwomble
    Free Member

    People don’t **** care what the conservatives were offering, they knew what they were getting – and many of those who voted Tory seem to have done it through gritted teeth.

    It’s just that what Labour were offering scared them.

    Better the devil you know. Brexit is a known quantity now, Corbynism isn’t – and people weren’t prepared to take a risk again.

    rone
    Full Member

    If you supported Corbyn then you’re a ****ing idiot. It’s that simple

    So you’re advocating supporting the Tories?

    dandasbike
    Free Member

    Need more popcorn

    tjagain
    Full Member

    OK chaps – we are all angry and upset. Lets ( me included) calm down a bit.

    fadda
    Full Member

    Brexit is a known quantity now.

    Errrrrm…

    ctk
    Full Member

    It was Brexit not Corbyn FFS. How do I know because we had an election not long ago with him as the leader.

    BUT granted this campaign was shit too many spending promises. Corbyn and Mcdonnell will be gone.

    I don’t see anyone in the LP I think can win the next election.

    & Jo Swinson looking likely to lose her seat

    molgrips
    Free Member

    If you supported Corbyn then you’re a ****ing idiot. It’s that simple

    No, it’s not. Shouting abuse at us isn’t going to change that. **** off and go to bed mate seriously.

    Caher
    Full Member

    Gulp…think I’ll stay here in Austria.

    FB-ATB
    Full Member

    I blame Ed Milliband. If he hadn’t run vs David, I reckon the latter would have done better in 2015.

    doomanic
    Full Member

    People, please. I know there’s a lot of anger here tonight, but please don’t take it out on each other.

    I have to go to work tomorrow knowing the abuse I’ll get from the majority of my Brexit-loving, immigrant-hating, Tory-voting co-workers, please don’t make this place the same.

    cromolyolly
    Free Member

    I don’t care – but why does the pound start rising when we’re on our way to Brexit?

    Because markets like certainty. Buy on rumour, sell on fact. It would have gone up no matter who won as long as someone got a majority. Most of a conservative majority had already been priced into the pound. Don’t expect it to stay that way as the quick brexit turn out to drag on for months or years.

    RustySpanner
    Full Member

    Binners, you’re pissing off a number of people who currently class you as a friend.

    Give it a rest.

    raybanwomble
    Free Member

    It was Brexit not Corbyn FFS. How do I know because we had an election not long ago with him as the leader.

    If it was Brexit they would have been murdered during the 2017 election, back then people knew less about Corbyn and were less scared of him. The intervening years allowed him to show his colours and allowed the conservatives to character assassinate him – because it’s **** easy to do that to him.

    It was Corbym – and momentum need to **** off and die and let the grown ups take charge of the labour party again.

    llama
    Full Member

    Lol at Blyth vs Sunderland. You fools! You’ve both lost!

    Sandwich
    Full Member

    Hysteria much gentlemen? Lewis Goodhall of Sky points out the the Exit Poll includes 65 seats that are ‘too close to call’ from data by Britain Elects. I’m not holding my breath but the schadenfreude will be strong if:

    a) It’s a hung parliament or wafer thin Tory majority

    b) Uxbridge elect the Labour MP.

    Small wins, I know but we need more consensus politics for the next session not tribalism. EDIT We need at least 2 more hung parliaments to encourage the fools to work together for the betterment of all.

    Also if you are a non-Tory voter but didn’t vote for the candidate that was in a strong second to remove the Tory you have only yourself to blame.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    BInners / Rayban – are you saying then Labour need to turn back into a rightwing party? A sort of tory lite?

    Markie
    Free Member

    If the Labour Party cling to the belief that it was Brexit not Corbyn and so stay a corbynite party into the next election they will a) lose more seats and b) find something else to blame.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    So. I wonder what the Tories are actually going to do?

    They promised more hospitals and nurses. We won’t get any of those, for sure. What else was there? Are councils going to get the money they need?

    raybanwomble
    Free Member

    If the Labour Party cling to the belief that it was Brexit not Corbyn and so stay a corbynite party into the next election they will a) lose more seats and b) find something else to blame.

    Probably Jews.

    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    I suppose in a way, Corbyn, Milne, Murphy, McCluskey and the rest of them all get what they want…in a way.

    Hopefully, they’ll all be gone by the end of next week. I can’t see how they have any other option if they’ve overseen such a (projected) fall in Labour’s seat share.

    binners
    Full Member

    The Labour Party is in a death spiral into utter irrelevance

    The results coming in are showing 15%+ swings away from labour to the Tory’s in the’Red Wall’ labour heartlands

    HELLO!!!

    FFS!

    Let’s do the 80’s all over again. It was so much fun last time

    ctk
    Full Member

    I’m watching TV now but on the radio Marr and other BBC bods were quick to say Boris would go all One Nation with big spending plans and a soft Brexit.

    doomanic
    Full Member

    Corbun played a huge part in Labour’s defeat. I jokingly asked a colleague today if her red jumper was a display of her voting intention and she launched is a diatribe of anti-Corbyn abuse, most of it wrong, that she clearly picked up from SM and the RW Press.

    Many of my ex-Forces friends are pro-EU but so anti-Corbyn they couldn’t vote for Labour.

    Markie
    Free Member

    I’m watching TV now but on the radio Marr and other BBC bods were quick to say Boris would go all One Nation with big spending plans and a soft Brexit.

    Whilst I’d love that to be the case, nothing he has done to date gives me any confidence that’s how it’s going to go…

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Can someone ban binners for a few hours please?

    Caher
    Full Member

    I’m not growing a mullet again.

    cromolyolly
    Free Member

    If it was Brexit they would have been murdered during the 2017 election, back then people knew less about Corbyn and were less scared of him

    How do you figure that? Ukip/brexit party didn’t pull candidates in order to get brexit done in 2017. May didn’t have a get brexit done slogan and an oven ready brexit plan. She also didn’t hide in a fridge.

    kneed
    Free Member

    I don’t care – but why does the pound start rising when we’re on our way to Brexit?

    Business (and lenders / investors especially) need certainty. And generally downsides have upsides so that attracts some investors. Bear in mind that those that decided not in invest in UK plc post Brexit have already bailed. So today reflects an expectation of slight inflow of capital.

    rone
    Full Member

    So the main difference between this and the 2017 election for Labour is offering another vote on Brexit.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    I can’t see how they have any other option if they’ve overseen such a (projected) fall in Labour’s seat share.

    They will just blame Brexit. The next (post Brexit) election will have to be lost before the lesson is learned that even if people want some more left wing policies, they need to be reassured that they won’t only get left wing policies if they vote Labour. That reassurance can’t come from someone like Corbyn, especially if he is listening to Milne, Murray, Len & Co.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    How much of the anti-Corbyn sentiment is actually created by Tory campaigning?

    hels
    Free Member

    Steady on please raybanwomble that’s not a funny joke.

    So, Scotland. Interesting if that exit polls is true.

    P.s maybe we might get Keir Starmer now? Some hope for labour?

    Pps. ZERO seats for Brexit party which is not such a loss for those faking arseholes

    Cougar
    Full Member

    If nothing else at least these **** will now have to own the Brexit shitshow that is coming.

    No they won’t, they’ll still blame us for it. I had this self same argument earlier tonight.

    how the hell can you take the exit poll seriously??

    They’ve been worryingly on point for the last few.

    If you supported Corbyn then you’re a ****ing idiot. It’s that simple

    Oh do **** off. If the Tories do get back in it’s because not enough people “supported Corbyn” (or as it’s better known, Labour). I voted Labour not because I support Corbyn – I don’t – but because of tactical voting to depose the Tories.

    raybanwomble
    Free Member

    How do you figure that? Ukip/brexit party didn’t pull candidates in order to get brexit done in 2017. May didn’t have a get brexit done slogan and an oven ready brexit plan. She also didn’t hide in a fridge.

    She had some pretty good Brexit slogans and she also didn’t ignore a sick kid on a hospital floor. Still, Corbyn performed pretty miserably against someone who had less of a clear message as well.

    It was fear of a Red Corbyn Christmas, 100 percent.

    cromolyolly
    Free Member

    The results coming in are showing 15%+ swings away from labour to the Tory’s in the’Red Wall’ labour heartlands

    Yes. Pretty well predicted. They voted strongly leave.

    slowoldman
    Full Member

    It was Brexit not Corbyn FFS. How do I know because we had an election not long ago with him as the leader.

    But that was against the Maybot not Boris the messiah. This has been a popularity contest not a serious election.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Yes. Pretty well predicted. They voted strongly leave.

    But.. but.. Labour should have come out for remain, that would surely have fixed things!

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