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2015-16 rugby, world cup year
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CaptainFlashheartFree Member
Bit of a shame for whoever’s position he takes.
Why? He’s there studying in his own right, so he’s not really taking a place, is he?
Sad news re Tommy Bowe, DD. Love watching him play. Always seems to enjoy his rugby.
jambalayaFree MemberThanks.
Gorumaru by a mile, not just for the score but for the context. Some truly ropey NZ submissions.
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberThe Debaty one was a cracker, as all prop tries are! 🙂
Tipuric’s a delight of rugby.But, yes – Goromaru for me. Also,
not just for the score but for the context.
jambalayaFree MemberAustralia.
Head says NZ but the Cheika story deserves a fairy tale ending.
meftyFree MemberWhy? He’s there studying in his own right, so he’s not really taking a place, is he?
Well he is only joining half way through the full term and the squad training starts some considerable time before the beginning of term, so he is effectively coming in pretty late. I just prefer the way Anton Oliver and Joe Roff did it, as a post retirement swansong and taking part for the whole pre season.
jambalayaFree MemberWhat @mefty says, most of the squad would have been working towards the varsity match for quite some time now. I played for Oxford (not rugby I hasten to add) and you had a good idea who was likely to be in the squad/side many months in advance including “post grad / visiting academic specials”
meftyFree MemberIt is also worth saying that you only get your blue if play in the Varsity match.
peteimprezaFull MemberNotToby not going to Bath
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34652414
Surely EU regulations on freedom of movement to seek employment override any decisions by the Welsh RFU?
Kryton57Full MemberBurgess rumoured to be in negotiations to go back to NRL. So, he managed to get paid his way into the RWC squad, played, failed and now bails out.
If thats true I’ve no respect for him whatsoever, or the management that caved to the demands his contract placed upon them – if that was indeed the case.
We’ll see in the leaked review details I guess.
Re the weekend; Yes the Chieka story deserves a fairytale end, my money is on the AB’s though.
Anyone seen the state of Pocock’s face in the news? Jesus…
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberSurely EU regulations on freedom of movement to seek employment override any decisions by the Welsh RFU?
No doubt they do but Not Toby is still under contract. The WRU have just told the dregs they cant sell him. He can go anywhere he wants at the end of the season. Talupe himself has been very quiet in all this. I wonder what he wants. Dregs want to sell him now to get a fee, WRU want him to stay in wales with a central contract, Bath want him. We have heard nothing from him. Although I dont think I’ve ever heard him speak!!
Burgess should **** off. The amount of shit he got is unreal. He did ok invthe world cup. Justified his place in the squad for sure.
wreckerFree MemberNeil Fissler now tweeting that Burgess has 10 days off and is in talks with the Rabbitohs. Spine of cheese.
CaptainFlashheartFree Memberhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34662659
On the Beeb as well now.
What an utter farce. All that money wasted, all that training time wasted, for what? Other players missing out on what could be their only chance at a world cup? He could have made a good rugby player if his heart was in it. This looks a lot like someone thinking he could trophy hunt between codes. In the modern game, only SBW seems able to do that. The Chosen One just wasn’t good enough, really.
ElShalimoFull MemberTo all the anti-Burgess above – why the hatred? He’s just 1 man.
Was it his fault Wales won?
Was it his fault he was selected?
Are you just Union snobs?
If he does go back maybe it’s because of people like you?jambalayaFree MemberIt is also worth saying that you only get your blue if play in the Varsity match.
It is, you don’t get one for being an unused sub/replacement either. You get a Blue if the Varsity match is the only time you represent the University
jambalayaFree Member@ElShamo fast tracking in a RL player with no Union experience to a RWC when we’ve legions of talented players. It also reinforces the selection errors we made at 10 with daddy’s boy getting picked ahead of the first choice player coming into the tournament
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberDont know if Ford would have been any better, his kicking is weak as is his defence.
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberEnglands buggest problem was that they picked a big bruiser pack and back tow but failed to dominate and then after 50-60 mins they were blowing out of their arse. The amazing thing was that Dilly Dally and the rest of the commentators didnt realise that wales olan was to keep the ball in play a lot, hold on for 50 mins and then go from there. How many times did dilly dally say “another loose kick from Biggar” or “they cant have planned to bring Vunipola into the game like this”. Er yes they can and did and Vunipola blew himself out running into Lydiate et al all day.
The back row was englands biggest fault at the world cup.
ElShalimoFull MemberBurgess is staying allegedly
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34665009wreckerFree MemberTo all the anti-Burgess above – why the hatred? He’s just 1 man.
I like the bloke.
Was it his fault Wales won?
Nope. We’ll never know what a bit of dazzle from someone like Slade could have done though.
Was it his fault he was selected?
Nope. But he shouldn’t have been.
Are you just Union snobs?
Put the chip down. Some RL fans are getting seriously butthurt that Sam didn’t set the world on fire.
If he does go back maybe it’s because of people like you?
Or maybe because he’s not quite as good as he (and RL fans) hoped he’d be (yet)? Or maybe because he’s adored in RL because he’s very good at it? Or maybe because he could go back to aus and earn a boatload of money?
If a few negative comments have upset him, than he’s not the bloke I thought he was.Kryton57Full MemberTo all the anti-Burgess above – why the hatred? He’s just 1 man.
This and…
This looks a lot like someone thinking he could trophy hunt between codes.
Now, imagine you are Luther Burrell, you’ve played Union all your life, progressed to the de facto England centres,to see a partner like JJ or Slade coming, and Watson and Brown to play outside you – an exciting time yet only to be bypassed by money and a promise to now see this. I’d hate the guy TBH.
duckmanFull MemberElShalimo – Member
Burgess is staying allegedly
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34665009Posted 54 minutes ago #
Hazzah!
teamhurtmoreFree MemberSport is great for the entertainment it gives via opportunities to overanalyse and over think.
England were only ever good enough for a QF spot and bar an brief meltdown moment they would have delivered that. But they were ill-disciplined and Wales had a great reliable kicker (“and wanted it more” 😉 )
Burgess? You are one of the best in your original sport, your brothers are in Aus, and you get a lot of shit here. Easy choice. Bad trade, cut your losses and move on. Either than or play flanker in RU.
Job done.
cloudnineFree MemberYou can get a gibert wc ball for under a fiver if anyone needs any balls..
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberBut they were ill-disciplined and Wales had a great reliable kicker (“and wanted it more” )
I’m sorry to disagreecwith you (really I am as discussing things with you is like banging your head against a brick wall) but thats lazy analysis. Wales won through a combination of a slice of luck for the try and through running the big english pack around till they tired. Everyone knows thats hiw wales play in big games, stay in touch, keep the ball in play, rely on a good defence and force turn overs and/or pens and then hope for a bit of luck. It was nothing to do with wanting it more. Robshaw, Burgess and the punchy 15 wanted it as much. If you want a scap goat that bench hooker was shit so its Hartleys fault for being a **** and getting banned.
Kryton57Full MemberMoves are well advanced for a return to the Rabbitohs. The only obstacle standing in the way now is Mike Ford, who wants him to remain in rugby union and is reluctant to release him but the expectation is that will be resolved within days.
South Sydney and NRL have paved the way for the Rabbitohs to pay a transfer fee to Bath that would not go into their salary cap.
He is a hero at the Rabbitohs. Winning the title in 2014 was a fairytale story. His brothers George and Thomas have re-signed with the club until the end of 2018, his fiancée is Australian, his entire family live in Sydney.Seems quite compelling…
teamhurtmoreFree Memberagree on Hartley!
Must have missed the penalty count though!!!
anagallis_arvensisFull MemberPens come from pressure. England gave them away because their back row were struggling to make an impact
wreckerFree MemberCould have gone either way, there was very little between the two teams but the only the only thing that matters is that wales won. It’s finished. Both teams are out. Neither good enough to compete at the top level.
teamhurtmoreFree MemberIndeed, so you don’t need the reviews etc.
Team were not good enough to get beyond QF. They underachieved against that benchmark. The reason, they got put under pressure at the breakdown and folded. Even then, they could/should have achieved their objective. They didn’t because (1) the players/capt made the wrong call or (2) the Welsh had prepared exactly for that call and executed the defence brilliantly.
Err, that’s it…invoice to RFU on it sway
Going forward – better players, simpler structure, mean (bloody nasty) front 5, find 2 Pococks (foreign fields?), stop farting about at half-back, ditto centres and your back three are not too bad.
Avoid too much introspection. That should have died with the Cory era of self flagellation.
tiggs121Free MemberThe fact there is going to be a review says a lot about the problem!!
No team can seriously think the have the “right” to achieve anything – that comes from good selection, appropriate coaching and respect for each other and opposition.
It also helps if the opposition aren’t very good….Aussies and Wales are quite good.
wreckerFree MemberMy personal opinion is that english rugby is in for a very rocky ride. The salary cap squabble, talk of a european superleage, club power, national team selection etc. There was talk of open warfare following the RWC between the RFU and the PRL. It seems to me that the PRL want a league like the french, and the RFU don’t (for very obvious reasons). It’s a honking mess which shows no sign of improving and I worry for the future.
teamhurtmoreFree MemberI think rugby is at an interesting point as a sport – IMO the physical intensity and injury count is reaching a breaking point ( 😉 ). Physical contact is an integral part of the game and something that all player relish – otherwise be a wendy – but there comes a point where duty of care steps in.
Change may happen when the current crop become walking wrecks in the forties and someone decides to sue (heaven forbid) or may be a serious injury (heaven forbid x 200).
The current breakdown with necks exposed is a case in point – its only a matter of time before there is a very, serious injury.
onehundredthidiotFull MemberThm that breakdown area is inded a scary place with exposed necks etc
If reffed to the rules about self supporting and not bridging/sealing the ball etc then it’d be a different. Including the placing of the ball backwards and the tackler and follow up players. The over reach and drag back along with the flop need sorting.PigfaceFree MemberThis was on Radio 4 this morning, tackles below nipple level or even tackling below waist level only. the NFL is meant to be paying every player that received a concussion $5,000,000 dollars. If that mindset comes in over here then the game is finished.
It is sad that strength and size are valued above ball handling and skill.
Watch “that try” and everyone looks like they are normal size.
Bakkies Botha deliberately hurt Adam Jones in the Lions test got a two week ban, to me that kind of thing really lets the game down. Jones was out for 6 months and needed a number of ops to fix his shoulder.
duckmanFull MemberChange may happen when the current crop become walking wrecks in the forties.
Richard Hill of fairly recent Salaries and England/Lions fame has had a knee replacement,I doubt he is even 50.
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberHe’s the same age as me, so no, he isn’t fifty. 😉
Re the NFL, I was watching some college football on my last trip to the US and almost every player had at least one knee brace on. At college level….
dragonFree MemberThis was on Radio 4 this morning, tackles below nipple level or even tackling below waist level only.
I can’t see how this necessarily helps, some of the worst head injures I’ve seen are from last ditch tackles where the tackler comes across the runner and gets his head on the wrong side (Halfpenny for instance).
If England need a review, what the heck do the French need?
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