2015-16 rugby, world cup year

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2015-16 rugby, world cup year
wrecker
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Didn’t hit him in the face though did he?

Posted 8 years ago

CaptainFlashheart
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Yes. He did.
https://vine.co/v/iH3M5LViB0x

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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No he didn’t! He strunk him with his elbow. Look at where his elbow stops. It was nowhere near his face.

Posted 8 years ago

CaptainFlashheart
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Stop defending the punchy racist.

Deserved a yellow for that, and a big ban (4 weeks starting tarrif ) for racism. Heat of the moment is no excuse.

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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Piss off. Just because you’re salty at getting beaten, stop deflecting with faux offense. Lee wasn’t offended but you are outraged? A bloke gets a pretty pathetic elbow to the chest and you’re calling for citings?
I’m not sure rugby is for you.

Posted 8 years ago

CaptainFlashheart
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Nothing to do with being beaten off the park by a better team on the day, and only remembering to play for about ten minutes.

No need to resort of telling me to piss off, thanks.

Posted 8 years ago

deadlydarcy
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Didn’t hit him in the face though did he?

What do you reckon he was trying to do (if you’ve watched O’Flashearty’s linked vine)?

EDIT: I see you’ve already kinda answered that.

As for “heat of the moment” regarding his “gypsy” comment – not a great excuse. Don’t all these things happen in the “heat of the moment”?

Posted 8 years ago

mindmap3
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Stop defending the punchy racist.
Deserved a yellow for that, and a big ban (4 weeks starting tarrif ) for racism. Heat of the moment is no excuse.

4 weeks isn’t a big ban though is it? I’m surprised he didn’t get ban mainly because of the stink that’s been kicked up by MP’s, campaigners etc. What was said by Lee must have been taken into account.

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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Marler will likely get a ban, and I’m certainly not going to cry about it. I made my view pretty clear earlier on the thread, I don’t think it’s racist but I do think it was inappropriate. What irks is the faux outrage by (weirdly enough) welsh fans when the man himself wasn’t bothered. It’s just deflection to ease the pain of a loss. Sledging happens in rugby. A player was recently fined for calling someone “faggot”. Marler will get what’s coming to him but that elbow was pathetic.

Posted 8 years ago

Bear
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I’m not sure either of his actions are particularly defendable. Both are brain dead, both are in the heat of the moment, but that doesn’t make it excusable.

The whole name calling thing is getting blown up too much, Gatland for his credit tried to defuse it and has been dragged into it. They need to act, issue him with a suitable ban and possibly some work within the community.

One of the reasons rugby is a great game is it’s efforts at ridding foul and cynical play, that must continue.

Posted 8 years ago

CaptainFlashheart
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It’s just deflection to ease the pain of a loss

No. It’s not. It’s really not. It’s about wanting rugby to retain the high standards which make it the sport it is.

Posted 8 years ago

deadlydarcy
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Marler will get what’s coming to him but that elbow was pathetic.

I was pretty sure he’s getting nothing at all.

A player was recently fined for calling someone “faggot”.

If you’re referring to Poitgetier (sp?), funnily enough, he used the “heat of the moment excuse” as well. AU$10000 fine and another 10000 suspended but not match ban. Maybe Marler was taking notes?

Posted 8 years ago

peteimpreza
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DD has it , no sanction for either incident .

He can play on Saturday .

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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Capt, you cannot really be that wounded by this. It’s pathetic. It’s a long, long way from the biggest travesty in rugby. It’s a long was from the biggest travesty in rugby this year.
Now excuse me gentlemen, my little angel had me up at 0500hrs (which might explain my somewhat grouchy outlook) so I’m off to put myself to bed.

Posted 8 years ago

CaptainFlashheart
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Racism has no place in sport. That you choose to disagree is up to you. Wrong, but up to you.

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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Except it’s not racism (IMHO).

Posted 8 years ago

CaptainFlashheart
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Your HO is wrong.

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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Nope

Posted 8 years ago

teamhurtmore
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Gatts and Lee are two lucky boys getting away with such an irresponsible use of the term banter. What is rugby coming to. The players sorted it out among themselves at half time. Appalling behaviour

Posted 8 years ago

dantsw13
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Wouldn’t only a red card offence be a ban? The citing officer judged Marlers hit to be a pen/poss yellow only, so no further action.

For the gypsy comment, I’m surprised an example wasn’t made. I imagine Lee’s statement made a big difference.

Posted 8 years ago

zokes
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I imagine Lee’s statement made a big difference.

Given that the ‘victim’ has effectively said “we sorted it out like adults, but thanks for your concern”, I would suspect so.

While far from a perfect outcome, I do think it’s preferable to an alternative where Lee whined about it in the press for days and a huge ban was handed out to someone who tried to rectify the issue as soon as he realised there was a problem. You don’t need a sledgehammer to crack every walnut…

The fact it was potentially racist has been highlighted. In immediately apologising and also being reprimanded by his management, it has also been dealt with quickly and effectively. The potential penalty for any future racist offence has been highlighted as a deterrent.

Posted 8 years ago

duckman
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Just wheel out the chippy loser defence Wrecker! Oh hang on;you did.

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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Lee wouldnt whine about it in the press as he never ever speaks to them. What concerns me is that he would say he’s not bothered just to continue his quiet life.
As for the elbow what pisses me off is its an obvious elbow seen by many at the time and missed by the blind idiot who was the video ref. It should have seen Marler binned. Cole should have been awarded the try and then have it removed due to Marler being a **** and had him sent to have 10 mins rest.

How Francis only got a pen against him given the discussions between the video ref and ref is a mystery too.

Posted 8 years ago

Pigface
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Wrecker you let yourself down there.

Amazed he got away with the forearm, prone player and seemed to be unprovoked. If you are now allowed to do that then and it appears you are then the game is going badly wrong.

Posted 8 years ago

onehundredthidiot
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It’ll be joubert. I’ll wager he’s been told to look at things carefully and err on the side of caution if in doubt review it later when someone can hold his hand through complicated bits. Was pretty much the pattern through the game.

Punch was pathetic just means French front row know who to niggle to get a reaction.

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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I do think it’s preferable to an alternative where Lee whined about it in the press for days and a huge ban was handed out to someone who tried to rectify the issue

Is this not just classic victim blaming a bit like dont rock the boat about drugs in cycling or you shouldnt wear short skirts or its just banter?

Had a welsh player said hey black boy to Itoje they would have been rightly punished. It says a lot about Marler that the question of ethnicity was at the front of his mind. If I was brave enough to try and get Lee to lamp me I’d call him a fat **** because I am slightly fatist

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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Had a welsh player said hey black boy to Itoje they would have been rightly punished.

There is a massive difference between being racially abused and being abused due to a lifestyle, or did I miss the bit about traveller history where they were sold into slavery, murdered, burned and segregated, and in some cases still are now?
Sorry but there is a world of difference between the two, like really huge.

Posted 8 years ago

captainsasquatch
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due to a lifestyle

Ooops.

or did I miss the bit about traveller history where they were sold into slavery, murdered, burned and segregated, and in some cases still are now?

As someone who seems to come across normally as intelligent and balanced, I think you need to reassess what constitutes race.

Posted 8 years ago

Twodogs
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or did I miss the bit about traveller history where they were sold into slavery, murdered, burned and segregated, and in some cases still are now?

You might want to look at what happened to the Romany community in Europe in the 2nd World War….

Posted 8 years ago

ads678
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Oh well, 172 pages of rugby banter don’t let it end up like every other thread on stw.

What tyres for ism’s and crap punches on a rugby pitch!!

Posted 8 years ago

DanW
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I think the disciplinary discussion about Marler went something like “c’mon chaps there’s a Grand Slam on dontcha know… when will be the next time they get a chance….. and do we even know who the replacement is… best sort this from around 10pm on Saturday… if at all”

Punch was pathetic just means French front row know who to niggle to get a reaction.

This was my first thought too. If we see them get punished for similar things then can we officially rename “New Zealand rules” ;)

Posted 8 years ago

duckman
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A quick Wiki suggests that there are 800,000 Romani in Brazil, BRAZIL?

Posted 8 years ago

CaptainFlashheart
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“c’mon chaps there’s a Grand Slam on dontcha know… when will be the next time they get a chance….. and do we even know who the replacement is… best sort this from around 10pm on Saturday… if at all. Now, are there any more of those spiffing biscuits?”

You missed a bit.

Posted 8 years ago

Pigface
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Did he treat the panel to some of these?

https://www.fortnumandmason.com/products/peter-rabbit-biscuit-card?taxon_id=817

Posted 8 years ago

Twodogs
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I do think saying it’s OK cos it was in the heat of the moment is an odd reason for not sanctioning.

Anyway, anyone else disappointed that Gatland hasn’t taken the chance to bring more young players in for the Italy game? The next World Cup is just around the corner…..

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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For the record we are not talking about Romany here.

Posted 8 years ago

deadlydarcy
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I do think saying it’s OK cos it was in the heat of the moment is an odd reason for not sanctioning.

To be fair, we’ve all twatted somebody and followed it up with a bit of ethnic abuse in the heat of the moment.

Posted 8 years ago

zokes
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Is this not just classic victim blaming

No, it’s classic A_A can’t quite bring himself to agree with me.

Sure, he definitely shouldn’t have said it. He apologised at the earliest opportunity, and was also bollocked by his boss for it. The apology was accepted. What’s the point of punitive action if the matter is already resolved?

Have you never ever said anything you later regretted?

Posted 8 years ago

mindmap3
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Sure, he definitely shouldn’t have said it. He apologised at the earliest opportunity, and was also bollocked by his boss for it. The apology was accepted. What’s the point of punitive action if the matter is already resolved?

Have you never ever said anything you later regretted?

Yeas, but the press and ‘campaigners’ need something to latch on and create a massive storm. It wasn’t big and clever, but it appears to have been resolved like adults which was enough for the powers that be. Time to move on?

Posted 8 years ago

DaRC_L
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At this point can we quote from Snatch? :lol:

Posted 8 years ago