Christopher!

I bet Joe Marler does….

Luckily for the rest of society, your opinion is entirely irrelevant. Wrong, too.

Both controversial and – given the context – evidently also an ethnic slur (both in fact and also in law for the last 40 years).

I’m worried this is a difficult concept, not least because this was broadcast live on national TV.

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You cannot compare actual racism with pretend racism. It’s a travesty that this type of thing, whilst bad form, has been lumped into the racism category.

*Pointles post about Joe Marler as its been pointed out already he’s been cited* 😳

You seem to have all the answers. Can you help me out with this one?

From OMITN’s ink:

Leighton Price, who is a relative of Wales rugby international and Scarlets prop Samson Lee, said he was proud of the player’s start against New Zealand and had gone for drinks to celebrate.

The 31-year-old and his wife Rebbecca, aged 34, have called for an end to discrimination of gypsies.

She said: “Leighton only goes out once or twice a year. He went to one pub and he was on the way in and the bouncers stopped him — they said, ‘you can’t come in, you’re a gypsy’.

How would the doorstaff have known his background?

A night out in Llanelli is eye opening, Lee’s family have a certain “reputation” according to a friend who lives there.

I’d like to hear a full transcript of what Marler said.

I’m assuming that Lee is from a Gypsy family?

If Marler had said “cmon Welsh boy” would that have been racist.

Is the term “gypsy” considered racist? Honest question. I fully agree that being in the public eye, and their words broadcast to millions, the right thing has to be seen to be done. Maybe it’s time for. The ref link to be edited before broadcasting?

The fact he IS a thick prop probably stops that!!

Didn’t you see his Bebo page? 🙂

I always thought Marler did a good job of pretending to be thick but as I said before, it looks like he’s been double bluffing all along.

Blaming being knocked out of the RWC for a late tackle is one of my favs

So, having followed this all day, I’ve come to the conclusion that:

Poking the opposition in the chest and calling him a “Welsh/English/Scottish/Irish Prick” is fine.
Calling them a “black/white/Asian/gay/gypsy prick” isn’t.

I imagine the former happens all the time, and I doubt Marler is clever enough to differentiate. I think he will soon find out though.

At least we won’t have 2 pages on loose heads hinging next week! 😀

I thought Marler had grown up a bit; he used to get caught ip a lot in lots of niggle and off the ball stuff. He clearly hasn’t.

I wonder if Alex Waller will be called up as a replacement…it doesn’t look good for him either way with a citing and an investigation for verbal abuse. I’m surprised no one has been called up yet with only a few days until France. Jones has said that he’s acting as if he’s free to play but I’ll be really surprised if he is.

We’re in 2016 right? And you’re still saying this?

Yes for the basic reason that this is how the law stands – if someone is offended by the type of comment under questions then its pretty straight forward – it doesn’t matter on the motives of the perpetrator – hence my comments on what is (or at least should be) clear. So as above, it depends on the sensitivity of the recipient on the rugby field and in the workplace.

They tried microphones in cricket and had to stop as the language and abuse was so bad. I don’t condone the use of the term “gypsy” but this is daft, players are always trying to wind each other up.

Never mind, it’s only 144 weeks of having to think back through so only just under three years for lots of rugby fans.

Well DD you see in law (see above) the distinction between nation and race is clear, so no, any colloquial reference to a nation cannot be racist by defintion. Indeed in the sporting context there is precedent with rulings in Aus and NZ re the use of poms for the English. Of course, people use the race card to exaggerate a point (or make one when it doesn’t exist). But with regard our mutual friend, he was offended and got the result he wanted – so the point is proven again. It depends on the person who is aggrieved – simple.

Anyway back to the rugby, Jambas very true. It must be difficult to swallow having a poor English side win the championship with a match to spare. And for 12 and 15 to play well too!!! Oh and 2 wasn’t bad either!!M