2015-16 rugby, world cup year

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2015-16 rugby, world cup year
CaptainFlashheart
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Posted 8 years ago

DanW
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I couldn’t resist a quick Google but it looks like he’s let himself go 🙁

Posted 8 years ago

jambalaya
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Ref pushes England coaches during rwc match, Ref gets sent on anger management course. Ref gets to ref England in Grand Slam decider. You really couldn’t make it up.

Posted 8 years ago

duckman
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But you do,even for you that’s quite the #jambafact. What really happened was Walsh became involved in an argument with your fitness coach on the touchline after England cheated against Samoa by bringing on a 16th player. Walsh was the 4th man and your coach approached him in the tunnel,pushed him and challenged him to a fight,Walsh threw water at him. The irb suspended Walsh for one game,three days for innapropriate behaviour,intensive anger management course that must have been.England’s management decided not to investigate the tunnel incident. After the game you are all back bleating about, Rowntree made public the fact you were submitting a complaint about elite performance. Something that happens from time to time…but NOBODY has ever made public…Except that one time England did.It isn’t actually a complaint,it is a request for clarification on how the ref views part of the laws of the game. Is this us back to the idea that England lost that game because of Walsh’s reffing of the Scrum?

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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CFH and the Welsh 7 (Warburton?) ? You could draw all sorts of arrows on that photo

Whats your point? There is no requirement for a flanker to drive straight at the scrum. Indeed angling in bybthe flanker will help keep his props hips in and allow the prop to drive straight.

Posted 8 years ago

igm
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If only someone had said that earlier…

(albeit with a typo)

Posted 8 years ago

onehundredthidiot
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If the England pack got its tight five tight and driving straight they’d make a mess of most oppositions at scrum time. But they’ve, and most others, got this scrum penalty mentality. Just go straight you’ll get the penalty and/or mess with the opposition’s minds.

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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I would expect the Englands forwards coach will be more focussed on disrupting the welsh lineout and mauling their own ball. Thats where Wales will be weakest without Charteris starting. They’ll have a go at Rob Evans in the scrum for sure but lineout out maul to drag in the backrow and then Billy V off the back of the maul would be my go to tic tac

Posted 8 years ago

Kryton57
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England lost that game because of Walsh’s reffing

FTFY

Everybody knows Walsh was biased against England, it’s no even a point to argue.

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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Everybody knows Walsh was biased against England, it’s no even a point to argue.

Ho ho ho

Posted 8 years ago

duckman
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Kryton57 – Member

England lost that game because of Walsh’s reffing

FTFY

Everybody knows Walsh was biased against England, it’s no even a point to argue.

Posted 1 minute ago #Report-Post
Even for you that is pretty arrogant, and that isn’t a low bar by any means;have you been sharing Jambas kool aid? Define “everyone” Bonus points for saying that anybody who doesn’t think Walsh cheated (which is what you are saying) is chippy,and should be sent to bed puddingless?

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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Did Wales lose that game in SA when he gave a pen try in the last min due to Walsh’s reffing? Clue the correct answer requires you not to be an arrogant one eyed fool.

Posted 8 years ago

tinybits
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Oh dear, about the only reason left to visit stw is degenerating into a stupid bickering fest.

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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Did this thread not start that way 😉

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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It’ll improve again next week after the england wales game and Jamba’s subsequent gloating/complaining about the ref

Posted 8 years ago

teamhurtmore
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Oh dear, about the only reason left to visit stw is degenerating into a stupid bickering fest.

There was a non-bickering alternative but it fell quiet from lack of interest 😉

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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England 15 unchanged. Tuilagi on bench. Odd looking team, athletic front 5 and second 5/8 with fast back 3 but a stodgy backrow.

England by 10 unless they try to play wide too much

Posted 8 years ago

wrecker
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Haskell? Stodgy? How very dare you!!!

Posted 8 years ago

Kryton57
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Define “everyone”

Everyone commenting on this thread, except those who don’t believe Walsh has a bias against England.

Its not arrogant btw, its just a fact. An arrogant statement would be that I believed England are so good that they would win all competitions where Walsh was the Ref, if the ref were subbed for someone else. It didn’t day that, maybe you assumed that’s what I meant? I do believe however there’s a strong core of people that believe he was biased against England that goes beyond STW. Right or wrong, thats a fact.

Posted 8 years ago

DaRC_L
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subsequent gloating/complaining about the ref

Can I start now? Joubert should have…
(not) referred to the TMO for <insert> decisions,
not been biased for/against England/Wales
should have given Eng/Wal a shoulder to cry on when his refereeing made them lose…
not sprinted for the waiting supercar/private jet

Posted 8 years ago

Kryton57
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England 15 unchanged

Two actual centres on the bench – not sure what to read into that – but its a first for a long time isn’t it?

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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So “everyone” is a now a strong core of English rugby fans who mostly only watch internationals and generally dont have a clue.

Posted 8 years ago

DaRC_L
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No A-A it was widely reported about the issues between England and Steve Walsh from 2003 onwards…
so everyone would be anyone who read about Rugby from 2003 onwards.
Of course he’s a hero in Wales for refereeing their grand slam year…
😆 there’s a reason you’re called Walshmen

Posted 8 years ago

teamhurtmore
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So “everyone” is a now a strong core of English rugby fans who mostly only watch internationals and generally dont have a clue.

As opposed to…?

And in whose judgement…?

DaRC_L 😀

Posted 8 years ago

Kryton57
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generally dont have a clue.

I’m not sure how I’d weigh together “not having a clue” against not being able to tackle properly. You’re hardly putting yourself forward as an expert in the subject with that prior admission.

I’m not trying to create an argument here, but honestly I doubt any of us could claim to be 100% experts. A lot of us have played, the rules and techniques have changed and we are now opinionated armchair pundits FWIW.

Lets move on.

Posted 8 years ago

igm
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A lot of us have played, the rules and techniques have changed and we are now opinionated armchair pundits FWIW.

You’re talking sense there Kryton (I reserve judgement on other comments of course), which due to the recent rule change is now ungentlemanly conduct. I expect you to accept your 10 day sin-bin with grace and dignity.

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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In those matches Adam Jones was at his peak with rules that suited him and he bitch slapped the england scrum to hell and back. At the time he was widelly regarded as one of the strongest scumagers in the world. Hence a multi test Lion. But hey those Lions coaches didnt know that he was only any use when Walsh was the ref..get a **** grip.

And if tackling low round the ankles is wrong you should talk to Dan Lydiate, you know one the one, he’s not English but he is one of the best defensive players in europe and also a multi test lion and six nations player of the tournament in 2012 ( based on his one trick).

As opposed to…?
And in whose judgement…?

Most rugby fans with a clue regarded Walsh as a very good ref although he did have a number of off pitch issues.

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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Oops double post!

Posted 8 years ago

teamhurtmore
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😀 igm

Posted 8 years ago

Kryton57
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But hey those Lions coaches didnt know that he was only any use when Walsh was the ref.

Again, I didn’t say that at all, you are misquoting me, or actually just making stuff up and attributing it to me.

And if tackling low round the ankles is wrong you should talk to Dan Lydiate,

No problem, please forward his phone number and I’d happily ask him to explain when the global rugby system which teaches tacking at the hips and sliding the arms down changed.

But again, I never stated tackling around the ankles was wrong per se, what I said was – and I haven’t gone away to find your actual words – my comment was based on the fact the you yourself said that you had learned tackling around the ankles method from a young age.

I expect you to accept your 10 day sin-bin with grace and dignity.

Thats a bit harsh, I demand a video replay!

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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So this global system didnt reach me? I always new I was an alien.

Posted 8 years ago

duckman
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“Anyone” and “Everyone” would appear to exclude the beeb.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/21778425

Posted 8 years ago

namastebuzz
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anagallis_arvensis – Member

So “everyone” is a now a strong core of English rugby fans who mostly only watch internationals and generally dont have a clue.

Yep – that’s us. Spot on. 😉

Posted 8 years ago

mindmap3
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Nothing wrong with farrell’s tackling. Haskell will need to gain a yard in pace if he’s to cover up the defensive hole called George Ford. JD2 could have some fun running at JJ too.
On the bright side, I expect the English scrum to be dominant.

Apart from it’s too high most of the time…and upright. Can’t see him or Ford doing a lot to stop the Welsh midfield. JJ’s tackling against Ireland was surprisingly good (I’ve never thought of him as particularly solid in this part of his game).

Expecting a dominant scrum? They’re a lottery mostly these days that takes up a huge amount of time.

Manu on the bench isn’t really a surprise now that he’s back. The main issue is him being over eager and looking for the big hit and leaving a massive hole in the defensive line. He does however offer a lot more impact than Goode!

Just hoping that Youngs has had some passing practice since the last game – don’t want to see him lobbing balls at peoples heads and feet again. Also hoping the D word doesn’t rear it’s ugly head too much from us.

Still think Wales will win and take the championship. They have a solid team and gameplan that they are all familiar with, plus they’ve had a fair bit of success in the 6N so know what needs to be done.

Posted 8 years ago

namastebuzz
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TBH all this bickering about whether certain refs are biased is a descent into the level of wendy-ball supporters. So stop it.

Anyway, I miss Steve Walsh. I know some folk think that he possibly didn’t always give England the benefit of the doubt but c’mmon!

The chest! The tan! Those forearms! That smile! The mad new TMO rules he used to invent on the spot……..

What a guy! 8)

Posted 8 years ago

DaRC_L
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duckman the Grauniad and the Torygraph both covered it.
Mind you I didn’t watch the match in 2013 as soon as I saw Walsh was refereeing – I was at Twickenham in 2012 when he did us over then – I gave up (and so did the players).

who mostly only watch internationals

I hate Murdoch and so am limited to highlights.

Posted 8 years ago

mefty
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The chest! The tan! Those forearms! That smile! The mad new TMO rules he used to invent on the spot…

How could you forget the tattoo

He who controls himself, controls the game

Posted 8 years ago

anagallis_arvensis
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Ford will need a minder although Robshaw has come second best to Roberts before. He’s no Worsley! Best plan for England is to pressure the lineout. If Wales are confined to slow front ball then the ability to launch Roberts at Ford is lost. With no dominant middle lineout jumper we struggle here. Off phase play Ford can be hidden easy enough.

Posted 8 years ago

duckman
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I think it will be a game with a number of really interesting sub plots and this game will be the measure of what Jones can do. England’s player skill set isn’t going to be THAT much better than it is now by 2019,so this is where Jones earns his money. Can he force the Welsh back row into an arm wrestle, can he outfox Edward’s defence with the players he has availiable? For all that people think it is going to consist of chin v yappy wee shite, Wales like to bring their back row in on 3/4 phase ball to commit a zonal/sweep defence and make space for their own backs. Jones has played zonal so far,but hasn’t met as dynamic a back row as this one. England will need to slow that up,there is no doubt they will,but who will tire first? Wales did last year,but then England lost the top two inches in the WC. Can England negate the Welsh back rows carrying and force Wales to shift their defensive focus to trying to fetch from the England wide players? Billy V is so important as well,he has been immense,but one reason we notice that is that is that neither of the other two have especially kicked on from the WC. He needs to make sure there are two of his countrymen dangling off him at every opportunity.
Tell you what,game of the 6N this year and I want you both to lose.

Posted 8 years ago

Twodogs
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Not that I want to drag out the Steve Walsh bias thing anymore, but that linked guardian article doesn’t offer any support for this perceived bias..it just quotes Graham Rowntree saying he’s going to complain.

Posted 8 years ago