£150K to invest … what would you do?

A chap at work has just had an inheritance summing around £150k. He's pretty happy with his current financial situation but has limited pension. He's wanting to invest for the future (>10 years ahead) with this sum.

We've just had a big debate of property (a rental house) vs financial investment. Any broad recos as to pros and cons of each? And broad ideas of the type of financial products to look at (he's had his fingers burned by an IFA before so is a bit cautious of their advice).

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£75k on a buy to let place
£50k in stocks / cash
£25k on hookers and coke 🙂

1 – Pay off ALL your debts including mortgages
2 – Talk to a financial planner, not an IFA
3 – Ignore any comments from an internet forum

I'd split it up. Half into a rental property with a small buy to let mortgage. small or no income off it but there should be capital growth – I think ( but its a guess / gamble) that property will grow more in value than the stock market.

a quarter in premium bonds

a quarter in high risk shares / investment funds

Buy a let and producing commercial investment, not a resi one, so no problems with tenants ringing in the night for a dripping tap, also longer security on lease.

All said by a commercial surveyor!!!

First things first he should pay off any debts that he has. After that with that sort of money I'd be looking to invest in a number of different financial funds with varying risks. I'd also be looking to put a chunk into a personal pension to get a chunk of tax back but then I'm in the 40% tax bracket so this might not be so good if he isn't.

As for rental property, with £150k you are probably looking at a single property which strikes me as putting all the eggs in one basket. It might do very well, then again it might fail spectacularly.

I'm a bit curious with the IFA comment. Was he actually missold something or did the investments just to perform as expected. If the former then fair enough, if the latter well poor performance can't always be attributed to the IFA. It's advice not a guarantee and probably better informed than anything anyone here will be able to give, myself included.

easiest way to double your money …. fold it in half n stick it in yer pocket 😉

Might be a good time for a long term investment in property, what with the prices low, no?

wow – thanks all

Interesting re a financial planner vs an IFA – will mention that to him. I think he felt he was mis-sold previously hence his wariness. He's paid well methinks so guess at 40% bracket

And agree re internet advice, but it'll maybe fuel our argument this afternoon, and already, there's more info / knowledge here than we argued over!

Why advise to pay off your mortgage? In the current climate, isn't it likely that the interest on the mortgage will be less than returns on other investments?

1: Earmark £50k for short-term weekly loans to the long-term unemployed at astronomical interest rates

2: Employ two very hard men at £50k PA to collect the repayments.

House auctions.

I could buy two properties down here that would give apprx 1k month income. Alt one decent'ish holiday let that would range from 250/300 week low to 550/750 high.

[quoteI'm a bit curious with the IFA comment. Was he actually missold something or did the investments just to perform as expected. If the former then fair enough, if the latter well poor performance can't always be attributed to the IFA. It's advice not a guarantee and probably better informed than anything anyone here will be able to give, myself included.[/quote]

The most sensible comment I have read yet. sadly, for my sins I am an IFA and I specialise in investments. When people come to me saying they have had their "fingers burned" by other IFAs it is often because they have either misunderstood the risk involved (and that includes how long the money needs to be tied up) or they have been far too greedy, gone for what they perceive to be the best deal, sometimes against advice, only to discover that their investment is more of a Townsends bike rather than a Santa Cruz. OK there are crooks and incompetents out there but IFAs are liable if they give you rubbish advice and the regulatory regime is very consumer biased. Poor advice is generally jumped on from a great height.

Tell him to have a look around, talk to a few IFAs and see if there is anyone he likes, feels confident in. Find a specialist. Negotiate a fee related deal, maybe with a performance clause in it. TBH £150k isn't that much if you want to screw an advisor down to that sort of deal but he can always walk away. The one thing I would advise is steer well clear of the banks.

IFA or financial planner – semantics.

thepurist – Member
1 – Pay off ALL your debts including mortgages
2 – Talk to a financial planner, not an IFA
3 – Ignore any comments from an internet forum

+1

Buy a house and rent it out, as people will always want shelter. You can always sell it if everything goes wrong.

Don't bother with shares/investments as there are to many variables, with lots of other peoples interests tied into them.

Just my £0.02 worth 😀

Go and see more than one financial advisor, take notes and compare.
I know i would, if you go out to buy a car you would look at more that one even of the same model. the only difference is this is for significantly more money.

I'm disappointed at the number of sensible people on the forums 🙁

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No offence slowjo, but in my experience

IFA = commission driven salesman

CFP = fee paid advisor

I agree with others on paying off any debts. Worth using up ISA allowance ASAP for this year (and next year past this month) – can get nearly £17.5k in there if half or more is in stocks/shares and even for someone risk-averse it's not too big a chunk to gamble with.

Not sure I'd be looking to buy property right now, especially not BTL (there's way too many properties for rent out there already IMO) but could be worth having the remainder available and keep an eye on the auctions over the next couple of years for repos to tidy up and sell on.

gold

Invest in China, Japan, anything but Europe..

look into futures contracts for oil/copper/nickel*

*anything we dig out of the ground, that we need increasing amounts of, and have increasing difficulty getting at/processing what's left.

Buy a wholesale batch of Grade A drugs and deal it.

Not sure I'd be looking to buy property right now, especially not BTL (there's way too many properties for rent out there already IMO)

But as he has a large chunck of capital and therefore small mortgage to cover he could charge a very competitive rent which would mean he could get tenants easily.

Most places that are to rent and sitting empty are doing so because they want stupid money for shite and not prepared to take lower offers. If he bought to let and went through a letting agency some do guaranteed rents as well which would minimise the risk.

Yes there is the issue with maintenance though for residential lettings, he should buy the house for sale two doors down from mine and rent it to me at a reduced rate on the condition I fix anything that breaks. 😉

Northern Cyprus HSBC account. 16% interest. My dad had some money with them for a while but recession meant had to spend it all to keep business going.
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no offence taken thepurist

I am not alone, but a high percentage of IFAs work for fees not commission. I find it works best for my clients, but not all. As I said, do some research, find a fee based advisor and go from there.

If you belong to the IFP it doesn't mean that you hold some sort of moral high ground, simply that you have passed some specific exams.

You will know soon enough if the person you are talking to is commission driven… the basic advice will be to buy investment bonds or some insurance product.

why not use the magic formula

https://www.magicformulainvesting.com/

My advice would be to earmark at least some of it for FUN! 🙂

£5K spent now on doing something good = priceless IMO. Why wait for some indeterminate point in the future to enjoy it?

Buy a full set* of Eastern European teenagers and sell their bodies to middle-aged businessmen.

*Fat, thin, blonde, ginge, trannie – the lot

Except you could get £6000pa (500pm) just sticking it in a 1 year fixed term account. No surveys or fees, no maintenance, no refurbishment costs, no agencies taking a cut, no void months. All on the hope that the property will be worth more when you come to sell (minus estate agents fees, HIPS, and all the rest, of course).

It'd have to be a very long term view – things will get much worse before they get better. Depends on how long you want to hang on to it, and to what extent you'd be willing to subsidise it relative to the easy return you could get elsewhere.

Personally I'd use it to pay for most of a house – but because of Ar$eholes with £150k to invest I'm surrounded by houses to rent and bugger all for sale at a reasonable price.

And before you ask – yeah I am bitter and have 2 parents who are seperated and neither of them owns a property so I'm unlikely to ever just 'come into' anywhere near that amount of cash.

Maybe he should just donate it all to charity, as he doesn't seem to really need it!

I would talk to Hargreaves Lansdown – they're for the long-term:

http://www.h-l.co.uk/advice/independent-financial-advice

buy 600,000 dogs (working on an avg of £200 a dog and £50 for the vets bill) and have them put down 😉

mudshark.. the problem with talking to a big firm like HL is you can't guarantee continuity of adviser… they do leave or get asked to leave if they don't hit their sales targets. Look for an established, local firm IMO, try and get to work with the owner/partner etc so there is a vested interest beyond the mere selling of a product.

Stock up on Mephedrone

Pay off any debt, including mortgage (at whatever rate he's paying).

Put the rest into a rental house, but must be mortgage free.

Monies previously spent on a mortgage, plus profits from rental – split 50/50 between shares and cash.

The 'problem' (although for some people its a positive) with a pension, is that the money is tied up until retirement – and you've no control over what the government will do in the future…

a quarter in premium bonds

=effectively gambling to try and earn interest on something.

alternatively spread it across a few banks and you are guaranteed interest,
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Buy shares in commercial property REITS British Land, Land Securities. no real movement in their shares since the slump, really low PEs.