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Yes, Facebook does influence elections. Significantly, Trump’s win in 2016.
And Facebook trying to address that with fact-checks etc has caused the Trumpets to move to Parler.
Credit: Stop the Anti-Science Movement on Facebook
BLM Bidens laptop matters
#Kraken ???
Cut off one head, Two will grow in it's place.
Hail Hydra
There's a pretty reasonable theory that "broken windows" was basically the making of modern day lunatic Giuliani- it made him into a celebrity and then over time it made him controversial and he enjoyed both.
But, also, he was aware at the time how dubious it was and how much he'd lucked out with the general fall in crime, so he started putting more effort into maintaining the myth- he'd started out working only with friendly reporters and studies, then doubled down on that, restricting access only to people who guaranteed a positive reading, and attacking any sort of criticism (I can't find the article now but supposedly he phoned up the president of Notre Dame to rant about a phd student that he'd granted some access too, as he didn't like that the project wasn't going to declare broken windows a total success, accused the student and phd supervisor of being politically motivated, and tried to get both kicked out)
Seems like at some point, he got to enjoy it for its own sake- not "I fought crime and I won" but "I fought the truth and won", the power games and the lies. Kind of like his own personal conspiracy theory, it's nice to know stuff and feel smart but it's nicer still to have people think you know stuff and make you feel smart when you're also being extra super smart and fooling them all. I mean, just being famous and respected for something you actually did, that's for normal people.
Hehe those names are excellent GrahamS. Did you see some of the screen grabs from Parler in the comments though :-/
Yeah that's my concern @grum - Parler (and OANN, NewsMax etc) will greatly enforce the existing information bubbles: "facts" will go unchallenged, viewpoints will not be contested, and people will become even more radicalised. 🙁
There is a real danger there IMO.
“facts” will go unchallenged
doesn't make a blind bit of difference. they hear what they wanna hear and disregard the rest (copyright paul simon :D)
radicalised
That really is the word isn't it. I hadn't thought to use that word about the situation but you are correct. The truth and facts are not particularly relevant at this point. History tells us this tends not to end well.
That really is the word isn’t it. I hadn’t thought to use that word about the situation but you are correct. The truth and facts are not particularly relevant at this point. History tells us this tends not to end well.
The same happened with the daily mail reading pensioners over here.
But the important difference is that very few UK pensioners have access to automatic weapons.
Y'All Qaeda is a work of comic genius
and yes to the radicalisation idea. Once you start thinking of it in those terms it gets a little scary
And I thought I had a clever word play on OANN but you are never first on the internet
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Oananism
Cometh the hour, cometh the man; Rudy to the rescue in Pennsylvania...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/526304-giuliani-files-to-represent-trump-campaign-in-pennsylvania-case
trump's new lawyer in the state is Marc Scaringi...
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/conservative-radio-host-got-less-than-24-hours-to-win-trump-campaign-lawsuit-that-he-knows-wont-change-election-outcome/
Have a look at his twitter posts if you want a laugh.
Here’s an excellent thread explaining who is behind the disinformation on Facebook/parler and how they gained the system to spread lies
https://twitter.com/trollzoo/status/1328019915006234633?s=21
That is creepy somafunk - I think most of us knew/suspected that some of the same money/people were behind this far-right propaganda on social media but it's interesting to see it laid bare like that.
But the important difference is that very few UK pensioners have access to automatic weapons.
They've arguably done more damage to the UK by voting for the Tories and Brexit
grum : Yeah it's bad (understatement of the new millennium), I cannot see how this genie is ever going back into the bottle (so to speak) and every single election around the world is now laid open to influence by social media and those who crave control at all costs.
I cannot see how this genie is ever going back into the bottle
When the "good guys" get in power, they have to sort out the voting systems, campaign financing and lobbying finance and power. It is no good continuing to work under corrupt systems, just because they have traditionally benefited them half the time in the past. The game has changed now, they need to get up to speed and move to true democracy instead of a façade for an oligarchy.
Banning targetted political ads would seem feasible, wouldn't it? There are already strict controls on political advertising in the UK so it's not without precedent.
Harder in the US mind.
Senate hearing with Facebook and Twitter is going on at the moment. Same as before.
Democrats asking why Trump and friends are being allowed to get away with what he's posting, and how can they crack down harder.
Republicans saying social is restricting their speech, should be doing less.
Banning targetted political ads would seem feasible, wouldn’t it?
Twitter has banned them, haven't they? Facebook banned them for the week before the election I thought, and recently announced this ban will continue?
Republicans saying social is restricting their speech
Banning a Facebook post isn't restricting Trumps speech, it's restricting what he can say on their platform. He can still say what he likes, that's his right, but he can't necessarily say it on Facebook.
I hope they do ban him - maybe he'll start Trumpbook, that'd be a laugh.
When the “good guys” get in power,
The flaw with that is that to get into power they will have had to sell out at least a little.
Yup. I build a stage, i get to invite people to perform on it. You don't have any right to come and throw shit at people from it.
If you don't like that, build your own stage, with hookers and blackjack and butthurt alt-right people who can't accept that tehy just got their arses kicked, and throw shit at your mates.
I was watching the senate hearings earlier this afternoon but lost the rag when Lindsay Graham began his questioning of Jack Dorsey regarding the footnote warnings on trumps tweets being so unfair (Whiney republican cockbag alert) so I sensibly switched off and went out on a bike run to the shore and watched the sunset hitting the water, much more conducive to a happy life
These are the Facebook/Twitter political ad bans...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50243306
go away silly people
https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1328802522094563328
odd
https://twitter.com/JustinGrayWSB/status/1328808336985296896
though it's not going agent oranges way
https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1328807972223537153
so I sensibly switched off and went out on a bike run to the shore and watched the sunset hitting the waterwhilst having a toke, much more conducive to a happy life
I hope.
So in GA so far the Dem areas have been almost “to the vote” and the Rep ones negligent in their ability to actually add up their votes??
Judge in the PA case with Judy representing
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1328827815001792512?s=19
In Wisconsin Biden's declared winning margin is 0.6% so it's above the 0.5% threshold for automatic recount.
trump's team have been advised that they can, of course, request a full recount but they will be required to pay the $7.9 million cost...up front!
Two messages there - you lost and we don't believe you're good for the cost.
What a hoot.
Unfortunately not alpin, but I did have a bottle of sativex in my jacket purely for medicinal needs of course 😉
Shits, giggles, etc. Ignoring the votes for “others,” and working on current figures on CNN...
Biden: 79,003,702
Trump: 73,323,297
98% Counted
51.86 : 48.14
Looks familiar. 😀
Wtf is going on in Michigan? Republican County electors refusing to approve results.
https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1328769667868004352
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/1328843116359676007
I’ll do it for a tenth of that and I’ll deliver exactly the same results as Giuliani.
dantsw13 - what's your source for post re Michigan?
thols2 - Krebs' departure was telegraphed and expected by him; put your head above the parapet...
No doubt Rudy will present his day in court as a big win; I'm surprised he hasn't been reprimanded or disbarred by either or both of NY state or American bar associations.
CNN article on that @frankconway
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/michigan-detroit-election-results/index.html
Frank - it was on Guardian Live feed, but as posted above ^^ they have bowed to pressure and certified the count.
[strong]dantsw13[/strong] wrote:
they have bowed to pressure and certified the count
For a minute then I thought the US authorities had put Trump in a mental institution! The I remembered I am a bit dyslexic 🙂
For a minute then I thought the US authorities had put Trump in a mental institution! The I remembered I am a bit dyslexic
Bravo sir, bravo
Sounds like Arch-Grifter Giuliani is really earning his 20k/day fees! He didn't understand basic concepts of constitutional law and just kept spouting the usual conspiracies. Luckily he had local radio presenter/part time attorney Marc Scaringi to help him out.
Is this all really about the dodgy fund raising to pay down campaign debts and a final payday for Rudy?
For a minute then I thought the US authorities had put Trump in a mental institution! The I remembered I am a bit dyslexic
🙂