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Sounds like Arch-Grifter Giuliani is really earning his 20k/day fees! He didn’t understand basic concepts of constitutional law and just kept spouting the usual conspiracies. Luckily he had local radio presenter/part time attorney Marc Scaringi to help him out.
Is this all really about the dodgy fund raising to pay down campaign debts and a final payday for Rudy?
you'd hope for some kind of statement from the supreme court along the lines of "The court feels that the US 2020 was free, fair and without fraud" to put and end to this nonsense.
I'm surprised Rudy even passed the bar, although possibly he has dementia these days
I suspect Giuliani has mental illness of some sort. Paranoid delusions anyone?
I think you may be right TJ. Apparently when his bid for President fell apart, so did he.
Fuzzy, he wasn't qualified to work in PA, he had to apply for dispensation.
I'm not quite sure why news from the states still shocks me; you'd have thought I would have learnt by now. But for me the news that Trump has fired Krebs is up there. Not so much that he did it; Trump is a despot and Krebs was off message. But it's the fact that he was able to fire him. Could you imagine a parallel election race in the UK where the side that lost fired the person overseeing the election monitoring because they didn't like the result? Not that they were proven to have carried out mass fraud or even that he was a political appointee by the other side and therefore biased but because he spoke the truth. This is out of the playbook of the very worst banana republic tinpot leaders.
If the UK government (and the EU come to that) had any moral standing they should now be condemning Trump and his hangers on and making it clear he is not welcome in this country again.
Biden needs to make one of his aims of his tenure to put the running of elections beyond the reach of political interference. I appreciate that is harder to do in the US's ****ed up system. Along with a root and branch reform of political advertising and lobbying fit for a 21st century free world levels of ****wittery.
and Krebs was off message.
Trump is also saying look he's a conspirator, he's one of them.
I suspect Giuliani has mental illness of some sort.
I think it's much more likely that he's just fundamentally a **** who is surrounded by sycophants and doesn't realize how deluded he is.
Edit. Although a bit of cognitive decline would be pretty normal at his age too, so that's probably not helping him see reality clearly.
I think it’s much more likely that he’s just fundamentally a **** who is surrounded by sycophants and doesn’t realize how deluded he is.
The Republican party machine is all about winning. It's like one big marketing campaign. Rational government has NOTHING to do with any of what they do. So it's just a question of 'what can I say that will get me the support I want?'. Truth, reliability or sense do not factor in at all. They are just playing a game.
shot himself in the foot does pose the question would he have won in Arizona and Wisconsin etc
Trump is also saying look he’s a conspirator, he’s one of them.
Is this Krebs chap also a baby eating Satanist now?
pie monster & dantsw13 - thanks re Michigan; I had found the CNN piece but after the time window closed to edit my post.
Is this Krebs chap also a baby eating Satanist now?
to a trumpet yes.
Could you imagine a parallel election race in the UK where the side that lost fired the person overseeing the election monitoring
hyperboyle aside, given the state of the Torys currently , I genuinely wouldn’t put it past them. I think right wing parties in democracies all over the world can see the writing in the wall for their future chances of election victory as their main demographic support slowly dies away, they are becoming more and more desperate
I suspect Giuliani has mental illness of some sort.
I don't like this labeling people you disagree with as mentally ill. Far too often it's used to push your viewpoint while suggesting that the other person's views are invalid because they are cognitively impaired. It can be really disgusting in some cases because it's used to dismiss or silence opposing viewpoints while dressing it up as concern for the person's well being.
I have no way of diagnosing Guiliani through a TV screen and neither does anyone else.
I do, however, think he's a total prick.
Klunk - that is poetic!!
This made me smirk this morning...
https://politics.theonion.com/gop-leaders-begin-search-for-prissy-miserable-shithead-1845698547
I'm with Brucewee on this. I don't credit the "lunacy" of what he's saying to him actually believing it because he's ill, but simply bare face lying to suit his own ends.
Above someone asked why Giuliani had changed. Its one possible explanation. Its not that I disagree with the man - its that his detachment from reality has become so pronounced.
I’m with Brucewee on this. I don’t credit the “lunacy” of what he’s saying to him actually believing it because he’s ill, but simply bare face lying to suit his own ends.
I wonder with people like him & Trump, do they deep down know they lost fair & square but just decide to say **** it - lets see what we can get. Or do they genuinely believe the election was fraudulent?
There's enough people on Twitter & Facebook who are lapping it up.
Having some experience of narcissistic sociopaths, I'm not sure whether they really know or care whether what they are saying is true - it's irrelevant.
They are so used to lying cheating and manipulating that they don't really make the distinction any more between truth and fiction, it's all about what will feed their ego and get them what they want. On some level they probably know it's all BS but that's not useful information so why give it a moment's thought.
You always have to beware the Peter principle but I don't believe anyone can rise to their positions and not know exactly where they stand. They're just fronting it out now.
Mitch McConnell certainly knows full well what he's doing. Evil ****
I would say, everybody who's not calling him out from the GOP right now knows exactly whats going on and is happy to carry on their own grift until the game is up. Ive got to agree with the comment above re right wing parties the world over looking at the US and thinking 'lets push this as far as we can' witness the tories right now, money spaffing in all directions, come Feb when brexit is 'done' then the rats currently at the helm will be off like a shot and leaving it to others to mop up.
I think right wing parties in democracies all over the world can see the writing in the wall
Drivel, the right wing is far from dead, we've just had two examples of how absolute no hopers on the right can be elected.
People tend to become more right wing as they get older so unfortunately its not a case of waiting for the blue rinse brigade to pass on, they will be replaced.
Right wing parties also do blatant populism better, Brexit, immigrants, lower tax etc. Left wing parties tend to try and promote what they believe is a fairer society, there's a lot of people not up for that, the States are a good example, there's a lot of people in the states who see welfare etc. as a direct denigration of the effort they perceive they put into life by giving people not doing so well a leg up. They often can't get their heads around the fact they may benefit from support at some point as well, Obama care being a great example.
stumpyjon, can you back up your sweeping assertion?
People tend to become more right wing as they get older so unfortunately its not a case of waiting for the blue rinse brigade to pass on, they will be replaced.
On the run up to the election I started following Trump on Twitter. Yeah I know it's bad for health and I limit my time on there but there's many that proclaim (I expect including him) that the number of his followers is in some way reflective of his popularity. Personally I'm only there for the freak show that is his and his disciples (further) descent into madness. And I suspect many of his followers are also there to antagonise him and his supporters.
@scuttler I imagine a lot of folk have done the same as you and followed for that reason.
Probably has at least 10-15% bots, 25% rubber neckers intrigued about the car crash and the rest rabid fans.
People tend to become more right wing as they get older
I think it's fair to say that people tend to become more conservative as they get older, but that's not quite the same as becoming more right-wing. When you're young, you are more likely to want radical change, partly because you have less stake in the existing system. If the changes you push for become policy, you tend to favour retaining them as you get older because you have an emotional investment in them, plus, having kids, mortgage, etc. makes you much less keen on upsetting the apple cart. That's conservative in the sense of wanting to retain the existing order, not in the sense of right-wing politics.
In the U.S., Biden is actually a fairly conservative guy - he favours making incremental changes to fix faults in the system, not radical changes (i.e. conserving the existing order). That doesn't make him right-wing, just a fairly moderate centrist who believes that the fundamental structure of the country is sound, even if there are flaws in how it's implemented. Trump is not conservative, he's radical - he favours making fundamental changes to the existing system. This is sold to conservatives as returning to a mythical golden age, but that golden age only existed on tv shows and movies, not in real life. Trump doesn't actually give a shit about that, that's just a smokescreen for having the federal government turned into a piggy bank for him and his family.
Its a generally accepted (which doesn't make it right) that people get more conservative as they get older and accumulate more wealth - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/do-we-become-more-conservative-with-age-young-old-politics - is a good explanation of the phenomena
people tend to become more conservative as they get older,
I assume that be conservative with a small c...
I assume that be conservative with a small c…
& 4 letters...
I'm a life-long liberal lefty, and now at 45 I find myself uttering conservative and/or reactionary phrases in response to the behaviour of the kids I teach every day.
I think it's just a natural process to become more conservative as you age.
Not that I'll act on these impulses 😉
#leftyuntilidie
Drivel, the right wing is far from dead,
I didn’t say it was dead, but it is dying, attitudes all over the world that were commonplace 50 years ago are now no longer mainstream; from racism to equal rights to feminism, and espousing them won’t get you elected anymore like it used to. Republicans now have to fix the electoral borders to win in some states, otherwise they’ll never see power again and they know that as a party their donations are coming from a smaller and increasingly older and paler but wealthier demographic.
I think people become more reactionary as they get older, in the sense of harking back to previous political times when "things were better"
Glad to be bucking the trend here. I’ve always been left leaning and seem to be getting dangerously close to becoming a communist the older I get.
Twodogs
Full MemberI think people become more reactionary as they get older, in the sense of harking back to previous political times when “things were better”
To be fair, just now I'm definitely harking back to previous times when things definitely were better.
Or do they genuinely believe the election was fraudulent?
Who can speak for anyone’s deepest thoughts. From the feedback and comments I read all over US is sharply divided and the staunch Trumpist Republicans are completely convinced that Democrat voters are any number or all of the following):
Dishonest/pitifully weak/powerful and bullying/globalist/communist/gay/fascist/racist/Jew-controlled/infant-blood-sucking/baby-murdering haters/traitors of the USA (a United States which rightfully ‘belong’ to the Right)
It can be said that many of the comments come from troll farms (ie some of Bongino’s ‘followers’) But that they land and propagate is terrifying enough.
Ultimately it doesnt really matter what they believe. The narrative and numbers count most of all as they carry the votes and the mood. If your nerves are strong the go and ready an comment feed at Huckabee Channel, Bongino, Newsmax etc for instance. Obviously the real diehards will be found in Parler etc, but the strength of hatred and desperation is growing.
In short they see Democrats as domestic enemies of the State and enemies of ‘God’ and ‘family’.
One thing they most of them seem to have in common is being utterly socio-politically illiterate and poorly educated in general.
One thing they most of them seem to have in common is being utterly socio-politically illiterate and poorly educated in general.
I support proportional voting based on IQ.
Every voter sits an IQ test when registering to vote. They are then given a certain number of votes depending on their IQ bracket. Low IQ = small number of votes.
I’m sure if that was in place we wouldn’t be dealing with Brexit now and Trump would never have become President.
Every voter sits an IQ test when registering to vote. They are then given a certain number of votes depending on their IQ bracket. Low IQ = small number of votes.
We'd end up in a situation where the clever but unscrupulous exploit and manipulate the stupi.....wait a minute!
Every voter sits an IQ test when registering to vote.
I don't quite go that far, but there is a dark part of me that wonders if people should have to pass a simple test to check they have at least some rudimentary understanding of what they are actually voting for.
Nothing complex, just something like "You have selected the X party. To validate your vote please select three of their campaign promises from the list below" 🙂
wait a minute!
Posted 3 minutes ago
Um, Perchy? I'm not sure what I am waiting for? Will continue to refresh the page until further notice.
On the run up to the election I started following Trump on Twitter. Yeah I know it’s bad for health and I limit my time on there but there’s many that proclaim (I expect including him) that the number of his followers is in some way reflective of his popularity. Personally I’m only there for the freak show that is his and his disciples (further) descent into madness. And I suspect many of his followers are also there to antagonise him and his supporters.
Same here, but I haven't limited my exposure and got totally hooked on the ridiculousness. I don't know I'll do when he's ousted.
Maybe I'll collate all his nonsense into a self-help manual entitled "Quotations from The Shitgibbon in Chief" which will become known as the Little Orange Book.
Um, Perchy? I’m not sure what I am waiting for? Will continue to refresh the page until further notice.
Quod erat demonstrandum 😉
This guy is an Appellate Lawyer and has been doing some nice commentary on Rudy's court appearance:
https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/status/1328848240519868418
https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/status/1328848554509660162
https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/status/1328780919944212481
https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/status/1329044540251119616