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Classic Trump playbook in that "Interview" in that they don't actually have any plan, or answers, so they simply resort to shouting loudly. They might as well put their fingers in their ears and run about shouting "nah nah i can't hear you" like a 5 year old......
What is suprising is the number of people who seem to fall for that rubbish trick?
Is there a point at which Trump’s proclamations become criminal? I.e. is it a criminal activity to repeatedly claim a vote is rigged when there is irrefutable evidence it is not? Or is it a slander thing either the slander of Biden or the officials running the election votes in the different states?
I’ve been wondering this too. Surely there must come a point where he is forced to quit and admit defeat? It’s an absolute travesty.
Surely there must come a point where he is forced to quit and admit defeat?
He stops being El Presidente the second Biden is sworn in, whether he quits/admits it or not.
I hope that keep wheeling Giuliani out, he's priceless.
It’s probably been done in the Trump thread or elsewhere - but wtf happened to Giuliani? He was one of the post 9-11 heroes right? Was he actually a massive scumbag at the time but everything was overlooked in the desperate search for leadership after such a tragedy? I known it’s been getting on twenty years but jeez...it’s not ending well for him.
https://twitter.com/DevinCow/status/1328145819820703745
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1328160949056974848
but wtf happened to Giuliani? He was one of the post 9-11 heroes right? Was he actually a massive scumbag at the time but everything was overlooked in the desperate search for leadership after such a tragedy?
I initially thought the same, felt like two different people. His daughter has been fairly outspoken about his political views and disowned him politically, I suspect that you are right and that his flaws were overlooked after 9/11
From the NYT
Timothy Naftali, a history professor at New York University, said that one way to view Mr. Trump would be as a version of Miss Havisham, the jilted bride from “Great Expectations” who lives forever in the past, never taking off her tattered wedding gown even as her house decays around her.
“He’s wearing the cloak of the presidency and he’s stuck in his room, getting dusty, while everyone else has moved on,” Mr. Naftali said.
🙂
but wtf happened to Giuliani?
His daughter thinks he's a desperate man who ran for President himself but failed (was blocked) has been married 4 times, and is trying to keep himself relevant.
Didn't Giuliani introduce greater stop n frisk powers in NY disproportionately aimed at black and hispanic people.
He's an interesting guy for sure. In the 70s and 80s he made a name for himself as a prosecutor, leading investigations that took down loads of big name NY mafia figures. First person to use the RICO laws to prosecute a major federal case. He also made a name going after corruption on Wall St (Ivan Boesky and Michael Milkin) and within politics. He was originally a registered Democrat, but switched after Reagan was elected. In 8 yrs as mayor of NY he oversaw a massive fall in crime, famously crediting his zero tolerance initiatives - however, similar falls in crime levels in other US cities at the time have led people to conclude that it was more to do with demographic changes and would probably have happened regardless of Giuliani. 9/11 happened just before he was due to leave office and he certainly came out of that well.
So up until the early 2000s he was seen as a very good thing, a crusader for justice and the rule of law. What happened to turn him into the slavering conspiracy theorist (and probable traitor) that he is today is anybody's guess.
However..
There is a theory that he allegedly colluded with Russian mobsters in the 80s and 90s to take down the mafia. There is no doubt that he had (has?) close connections with Semyon Kislin, an immigrant from the Ukraine, who is a commodities trader who donated significant sums to his campaigns and led numerous fund raising efforts. Kislin has established connections to various Russian/Eastern European gangsters. The idea is that they were well placed to be able to tip him off about various 'illegal activities' and then fill the vacuum once the Italians were removed from the scene. Whether this is true or not I don't know, but it's reasonably safe to say that he wasn't squeaky clean (then again who was, Chuck Schumer received money from this guy too).
The fact that Semyon is Ukrainian though is definitely of interest, given everything that has happened since..
I forget where I read it but Giuliani apparently ran for president and didn't do very well, his wife at the time said he never recovered from that and sited it as part of their divorce.
Members of the 11,500 for MAGA march need to work on their pop culture references.
https://twitter.com/therealKripke/status/1328006661408055296
but wtf happened to Giuliani?
Jon Oliver asked this very question 2 years ago and the answer was, "he's always been this way". Worth a watch only for some 2 year old jaw dropping interviews
In 8 yrs as mayor of NY he oversaw a massive fall in crime, famously crediting his zero tolerance initiatives – however, similar falls in crime levels in other US cities at the time have led people to conclude that it was more to do with demographic changes and would probably have happened regardless of Giuliani. 9/11 happened just before he was due to leave office and he certainly came out of that well.
So up until the early 2000s he was seen as a very good thing, a crusader for justice and the rule of law. What happened to turn him into the slavering conspiracy theorist (and probable traitor) that he is today is anybody’s guess.
My guess is that he started believing his own bullshit. I think it's pretty likely that he got lucky with the crime rate thing - he made a big show about being tough, but probably other factors were more responsible (and to be fair, this applies to most successful politicians, they take credit for stuff that was really just fortunate timing). Then the WTC attacks happened and playing up the tough guy who won't back down to terrorism was a political no-brainer. Any mayor would have done the same, even though a city mayor has absolutely no power to do anything about it. Then he seems to have just gone off the deep end with nutty stuff - he probably believed all the nonsense that people wrote about how awesome he was. Once you get that famous, it becomes almost impossible for anyone to tell you that you are on the wrong track, so he would have been surrounded by sycophants. Then he fell into Trumps reality distortion gravity well and doesn't realize that he's utterly out of touch with reality.
Then he fell into Trumps reality distortion gravity well and doesn’t realize that he’s utterly out of touch with reality.
He is now so heavily mired in foreign scandal - look at his contacts in Ukraine as just one example - that this kind of reflexive thrashing about is his only option. Perhaps he was always corrupt, but when he went all-in with Trump's particular influence-scams, he was doomed.
It's out of control over there 🙄 Not sure if this goes here, COVID or Trump threads but you have Trump's COVID advisor telling people to rise up and resist a Governor's COVID measures. Meanwhile, the President golfs and spreads conspiracy theories.
https://twitter.com/SWAtlasHoover/status/1328120887128842240
He seems like the kind of radiologist who would be disappointed if his treatment machine gets upgraded and only zaps the tumour from now on rather than your whole head.
To use those words against a state governor who has already been the subject of a kidnap/murder plot over covid restrictions...it makes you wonder how much damage this administration still has to do. Completely disgusting.
Trump's attitude to difficult policy making and governance from now on* will be like Homer's time as Sanitation Commissioner.
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* It was always thus
He switched last night. Claims many of these lawsuits are not his. Strange that all the lawsuits had 'Donald J Trump For President, Inc' written on the top 🤔
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1328100945570500608?s=21
In 8 yrs as mayor of NY he oversaw a massive fall in crime, famously crediting his zero tolerance initiatives – however, similar falls in crime levels in other US cities at the time have led people to conclude that it was more to do with demographic changes and would probably have happened regardless of Giuliani.
Agreed, he, alone with his Chief of Police pushed the 'Broken Windows' theory. It's a sort of zero-tolerance with a plan theory.
If anyone is old enough to have watched films in the 70s and 80s depicting New York (or any large US city for that matter) they were portrayed as lawless, violent places. This was pretty accurate for large parts of New York, the Bronx especially. The Broken Windows policy meant locking up people for even minor offences so the population is reassured of Law and Order, the problem being that it doesn't take long before the Police are arresting anyone for any thing and rather than feeling reassured, the majority of the population start to resent the Police and it has the opposite effect.
What really happened was in the 70s New York missed bankruptcy by the skin of it's teeth, it was the same problem being faced the world over, a massive reduction in manufacturing jobs in the west had left millions of people out of work, but worst still rendered them unskilled, or at least without marketable skills. As jobs fell, crime went up and everyone who had a job, left which only made the situation worse, by the 80s it was bad, when crack arrived it became very bad and the 'war on drugs' only made the relationship between the Police and Public worse.
What saved New York is the same thing we've seen played out in cities all over the US and here in the UK too, especially London. As traditional Blue Collar work dried up, that section of society left, it was eventually replaced by White Collar jobs.
Thanks to the 70s bail-out, Financial Control of New York was effectively handed over to it's Creditor and their developer who bought up huge amount of cheap former industrial land and low-value homes and redeveloped it. Gentrification.
'Broken Windows' didn't really reduce crime by locking more people up, or even making the existing population feel safer, it pushed the existing population out.
I thought the removal of lead from petrol also coincided with crime falls around the world...
Thanks to the 70s bail-out, Financial Control of New York was effectively handed over to it’s Creditor and their developer who bought up huge amount of cheap former industrial land and low-value homes and redeveloped it. Gentrification.
One Donald J Trump also made a load of money buying up property from a near bankrupt city.
I thought the removal of lead from petrol also coincided with crime falls around the world…
"Coincide" is closely related to "coincidence". Things can be correlated without being directly causally linked. Icecream sales are a good predictor of drownings, for example.
Scott W. Atlas though. Wow. What a name.
And he's off again on Twitter...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328334945148952576
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328338241284616193
And my personal favourite - claiming reponsibility for not 1 but 2 Covid-19 vaccines...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328341927641681922
all took place on my watch!
Yup, true, he was watching... while a large number of his citizens died, meanwhile others were doing something about it.
"all took place on my watch" is almost the perfect example of Trump. Take responsibility for vaccines which happened "on his watch" but which he had nothing at all to do with. Refuses to take any responsibility for the quarter of a million Americans who died "on his watch", which a huge proportion can be directly laid at his door.
The Fake recount going on in Georgia means nothing because they are not allowing signatures to be looked at and verified. Break the unconstitutional Consent Decree!
The thing is there's no point, pointing out how nonsensical it would be to verify 5m signatures. It's not really why he's spouting off is it?
Yup, true, he was watching
Err.....I think you’ll find he was playing golf and/or fantasising about his own daughter.
Wants all the credit but none of the responsibility, classic
“I don't take responsibility at all,”
From the Guardian:
Georgia’s Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, told the Washington Post that senator Lindsay Graham of South Carolina was among several members of his party who pressured him to toss out legally cast ballots so that Trump could win the state.
Was ever a narcissist so well supplied? Here’s some more. Didn’t we all know a kid at school like that? Good grief.
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Re Giuliani and the NY crime rate decline
He was Mayor while it happened but several other factors may have caused it. I first read it in Freakonomics (Levitt and Dubner) but while googling for that reference instead found this
Big PA case today challenging 700k mail-in ballots. Seems to be scattergun now
https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1328557110418935809?s=19
Yes, Facebook does influence elections. Significantly, Trump's win in 2016.
#Kraken ???