I can only imagine what people would be saying had Corbyn been at the helm
Probably bad things. So unfair.
Got that beer in your hand yet?
More 'meaningful opposition' this morning from Lisa Nandy on Marr. Apparently 'this wasn't a forseeable crisis', even though it was foreseen in 2016, and we had an 8 week window on the future when it kicked off in China. It's a novel approach, agreeing with everything they say and making excuses for them will probably distract the tories and lull them into a false sense of security.
Is it just me, or is Keir just a little bit rosy-cheeked in a Charles Kennedy sort of way?
Wow, getting the boot in early are you?
If Starmer can’t work out the various potential exit strategies depending on circumstances there’s a real bloody problem, jesus most STWers could do that!
Most STWers seemingly can't follow the existing guidelines without a prescriptive list of every permissible action allowed under lockdown rather than just following the spirit of them, never mind come up with a useful exit strategy. I think you're giving too much credit here.
There's a balance between the economy and CV deaths and the Government *will* get it wrong just as every Government in the world will.
The less Labour say now the better, the run up to the next election will be a superb time to be in opposition.
I’d really like them to be putting the boot in right now, but all that would do is drive voters away I suspect, “I can never vote for them after they played politics while my [insert connection here] was in hospital fearing for their life.” I think Corbyn’s written response to this situation was spot on, even if he didn’t get it proof read, and suspect the move to anything more critical of the government will be slow and careful. As I said, I’d rather they were loudly critical of the points raised by Corbyn and others, but it’s pretty clear why they are being quietly critical, and shifting focus towards the exit strategy, which we can assume will only be put into place once there are fewer deaths. Timing is key, if frustrating.
I’d currently be very loud about PPE, lack of quarantine rules for those returning from abroad, and other mistakes made early on, with particular focus on the cabinet, and PM especially, taking long breaks from their roles while this was all kicking off internationally. But then, I’m an unelectable big mouth.
There’s a balance between the economy and CV deaths and the Government *will* get it wrong just as every Government in the world will.
There is no balance, the only consideration should be reducing the number of deaths, and then doing everything that needs to be done on the economic front. As we're now seeing they're doing neither. The deaths are on track to be the worst in Europe, and millions aren't getting the promised help in economic terms. But labour seem too scared to point out this obvious fact, and now are making the govts excuses for them.
There will be an economic cost, it is unavoidable, whereas thousands of deaths are avoidable. Agree with Dazh that it’s not a one or the other thing. And the government have dropped the ball as regards both in terms of execution, even where they are getting the tone and headlines correct. No one really knows how any of the help offered to companies and individuals will actually work, or when they will be delivered, or who will fall through the cracks. Labour should be all over those aspects more vocally (plenty of measured questioning and challenging going on). But again, the ‘helpful’ rather then ‘confrontational’ tone right now was no doubt deliberately chosen, and it easy to understand why, even if it is frustrating.
Well I see the leaked labour report detailing how the party heirarchy actively conspired against the leadership and the membership has blown up today. First real test for Starmer. If he doesn't expel those responsible, including Tom Watson and Ashworth's wife he's going to see tens of thousands of resignations from the party and those who stay will be actively mobilising against him. Binners was right, the labour party is a joke, but it turns out it wasn't the Corbynites who were the problem.
Awful tactics. Wish it had worked though. Corbyn being gone years ago would have wise.
Now, can Starmer prevent a tit for tat downward spiral of leaks and mud slinging?
Wish it had worked though.
It did. They successfully prevented a labour govt in 2017. Nice work!
Now, can Starmer prevent a tit for tat downward spiral of leaks and mud slinging?
Yes he can, by getting rid of all who were involved by expelling them from the party. Anything less will cause a war with the left. They have literally no defence.
They successfully prevented a labour govt in 2017.
Yeah, right, of course they did.
by getting rid of all who were involved by expelling them from the party
Will the last person to leave the Labour Party please close the door behind them?
I’m upping my guess of 10 more Tory years to 20.
Christ, they even thought Andy Burnham was too left wing. Clearly Corbyn's biggest mistake was not ridding the party of these c****. Don't underestimate how the membership will react to this, they will quite rightly feel utterly betrayed by the party's non-political leadership. Starmer has got quite a job on his hands.
https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1249424188454076421?s=20
Anyone know if Starmer has any experience of defending GDPR breaches?
Anyone got a link? Can't find anything about this...
Anyone got a link? Can’t find anything about this…
Hardly a surprise as only one newspaper has mentioned it. You can only imagine the coverage if it was the other way round. Twitter has exploded with livid activists and members venting about the time and money they spent campaigning being wasted a party hierarchy which was actively conspiring against their efforts. It's pretty nuclear stuff.
There's a good summary here.. (yeah, yeah, it's novara etc)
Do you have a link to the leak in full, rather than the summary from… well, you know?
Has everyone involved been reminded that they should be in the Tory party? They should have got the message by now. The voters did.
Have the counter leaks started yet?
Thanks dazh, that's helped, at least I know whats happened now.
Is this just the start of all the evidence about how split the party's been?
Well I see the leaked labour report detailing how the party heirarchy actively conspired against the leadership and the membership has blown up today. First real test for Starmer. If he doesn’t expel those responsible, including Tom Watson and Ashworth’s wife he’s going to see tens of thousands of resignations from the party and those who stay will be actively mobilising against him. Binners was right, the labour party is a joke, but it turns out it wasn’t the Corbynites who were the problem.
As with all things like this ask " cui bono? "
cui bono?
Johnson and friends.
I thought it was pretty obvious that plenty of folk in the Labour Party hierarchy detested Corbyn in the run-up to the 2017 election, and plenty of people on both sides of the fence seemed to expend their energy attacking not the Tories, but the other half of their party.
The people leaking and exploiting this now are no different, just the other side of the coin.
Did anyone expect these deep-seated hatreds and self-destructive behaviours to simply dissipate under Sir Keir?
Do you have a link to the leak in full, rather than the summary from… well, you know?
The full report hasn't been published or released. It really doesn't matter who reports on it though, the whatsapp messages are there in black and white. The question to ask is not why only leftwing channels are reporting it, but why rightwing news outlets aren't. Here's a less partisan account.
One of the highlights is Tom Watson delaying the expulsion of Livingstone from the party so that it caused problems for Corbyn. You couldn't make this shit up really.
who reports on it though
Of course it does. Just as it matters who the leak is from. There is two opportunities to be selective and shape the story… which information is leaked to reporters, and then which information the reporting is focused on.
One of the highlights is Tom Watson delaying the expulsion of Livingstone from the party so that it caused problems for Corbyn.
That’s a good example. Let’s compare the reporting of that to the actual content, in context, once we have it all to see for ourselves.
Well. I wonder what the left did to undermine for instance Kinnock? This sort of thing has been going on in political parties since year dot, and it shows the two parties in one scenario yet again.
but it turns out it wasn’t the Corbynites who were the problem.
And was it not the "broad church" Corbynites who instantly accused any Labour MP (who held a differing view to Jeremy on any issue) of "undermining the leader and the Labour Party"?
Picking up lessons from the tories and their "its not our fault, its everyone else" tactic.
Twitter has exploded
Like facebook I only wish it had. Twitter is just a nut case magnet for all sorts with any political leanings.
Anything less will cause a war with the left.
Nothing Starmer can possibly do or say will make the corbynites happy, so he shouldn't try and he shouldn't compromise with them. What he needs to concentrate on is who actually matters, the voter at the next election.
There’s a good summary here.. (yeah, yeah, it’s novara etc)
So why quote it from "luxury communist" Bastani and his luxurious spin on proceedings? That's as bad as Mefty quoting Guido Fawkes as the truth.
Do you have a link to the leak in full, rather than the summary from… well, you know?
The full report hasn’t been published or released.
It is available online.
Another summary here, but it does miss out some of the more damming parts of the report.
https://labourlist.org/2020/04/internal-report-lays-bare-poor-handling-of-complaints-by-labour/
I hear that the bastards are presently working to undermine Aston Villa’s chances of winning the Premier League
It is available online.
Do you have a link?
Well I can only find bits of it online, so who knows what’s from the actual leak, and what the full context is… bit if this is the source of the example Dazh used, then the reporting is a long way from what it says…
[img] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVfi4ZKWkAEhhAo?format=jpg [/img]
So rumours were going around, and they chatted about it, and that’s reported as though the rumours were fact? Must be more to it. Link me up with a link to all the leaked material around this point if you could, please. Rather than just the “reporting” of it. Ta.
I've got the full doc.
Let me find the link.
Can you pull out the section that forms the basis of the following “news” please Rone…?
One of the highlights is Tom Watson delaying the expulsion of Livingstone from the party so that it caused problems for Corbyn.
Had a quick look. Think it's page 306.
Trying to PM you but I keep getting the oops page. It's a bit tricky extracting stuff on a phone from a large pdf.
I can sort it on the desktop tomorrow or PM me.
Well, that was all a bit of a hyped up non-event, wasn’t it. Lots of angry voices shouting because they were told to.
Anyway, I’m agreeing with Dazh now that, despite picking a very good team, the new leader has been deeply unimpressive in his role so far. As I feared, dull… but worse then that, ineffective and missing all the seemingly easy targets as well.
It’s a total non-story. Always was.
But it has, however, fulfilled a vital role for the Corbynite left by providing them with their two absolute favouritist things in the whole wide world.
1. A change to indulge in ridiculous, tinfoil helmet conspiracy theories and retreat into their paranoid persecution complex where the whole world (probably lead by Mossad and the CIA) is against them because they know that they’re right about absolutely everything.
2. Subsequent hysterical, sanctimonious, moral indignation where they all get to express their increasingly hyped up self-righteous outrage to each other on Twitter.
Let’s face it. They love this shit. It’s what they live for. They’re never happier
Nobody else cares.
It's absolutely not non-story. Of course you would take this point of view because otherwise you would have to admit you were wrong over your own perspective.
It's a ****ing disgrace. I've been through quite a chunk of the doc. If you think about the amplification of this especially around AS - you can see exactly how this hit the spot.
The right of Labour are utterly toxic and have nothing in common with Labour values. You should see John Mann's attempts at calling out libel for the document.
Anyway how's Uncle Keir working out? Still banging on about exit strategies? Yeah of course he is.
He could be talking about the damage; the mis-handling of the whole episode himself, the under-resourced NHS or even better he could be talking about his own suggested exit strategy.
I used to love the line - "he's a statesman"... You've elected a political wet fart.
(Off topic why is the PM system not working . I tried to send info to Kelvin)
why is the PM system not working
Its been down for a while. There was a mass spamming last week so might be related to work to prevent more of that.
A change to indulge in ridiculous, tinfoil helmet conspiracy theories
Except the conspiracy theories have been proven right beyond any doubt. The right of the party were conspiring to make the anti-semitism issue toxic for Corbyn, and they were conspiring to ensure that labour would lose the election. Kier Starmer has one single task now, and that's to expel any members who have proven to be acting against the interests of the party. If he doesn't do so, his leadership is finished before its even begun.
Except the conspiracy theories have been proven right beyond any doubt.
You yourself picked out an example “story” for which there turned out to be no basis at all.
It is true that lots of people wanted Corbyn out, and that the fight between factions resulted in the wrong seats receiving campaign funding (trying to help keep Corbyn sceptics in parliament in 2017, and trying to get Corbyn allies into parliament in 2019, rather than a proper focus on maximising seat count to try and nudge the Tories out of office). The fight within the Party helps only the Conservative Party (well, and the SNP), but it cuts both ways, and all this noise and stamping of feet helps keep Labour in permanent opposition. Keep on being part of that if you want.
Anyway, Starmer… not going well so far, is it? Still think he’d make a great PM, but lacks the charisma or ruthless edge to win a general election. Is that what we are seeing, or does he have to tread too carefully while we’re going through the current crisis? If only we could have a PM suited to running a country, not a campaign. But Labour (and the country) need a leader who can do both, and I’d love a sign that they have one.
Rone, if it’s all on the internet, please link to it.
I’ve still only seen extracts, and none back up the story:
One of the highlights is Tom Watson delaying the expulsion of Livingstone from the party so that it caused problems for Corbyn.
It looks to be Labour staff talking about a baseless conspiracy theory, not them saying anything they supports that theory being true.
I think he’s bright enough to realise that playing party politics at the moment will not be received well by the majority of the public, with hundreds of people a day dying. And while parliament isn’t sitting, it’s also a pretty pointless exercise.
Given that the Labour Party has done nothing other than shout impotently from the sidelines for the last five years, he’s probably thinking that that’s all a bit played out now. And he’d be right.
There will be a reckoning for what’s happening at the moment, but I don’t think anyone would thank the Labour Party for insisting it’s carried out now. It’s simply not the time.
So it would appear that Starmer is a bit more switched on than his predecessor, who would no doubt be doing shouty YouTube sound bites to put on Twitter
I hope you’re right. Time will tell. A little sign that he is up the job (beyond getting his appointments so right) would be very welcome though. Nothing so far suggests he had the media presence part of the job anywhere near right.
And this grand conspiracy seems to amount to “mummy, he called me a horrid name”
Which is why it’s gained absolutely zero traction outside the People’s Front of Judeas Twitter account
I think he’s bright enough to realise that playing party politics at the moment will not be received well by the majority of the public, with hundreds of people a day dying.
+1
Yeah, he's worked that out and I suspect the little he is saying is purely aimed at members not at voters. (Asking for an exit strategy when all the variables that feed into an exit strategy are still unknown is bat-shit-mental. Plus the interviewers just respond with "Well would your exit strategy be" and he has to duck that.)
The less he says now the better - the election is 4 years away there will be plenty of time to score points over the handling of CV in future and by then he'll have the benefit of hindsight. He will be as aware of that as we are.
Asking for an exit strategy when all the variables that feed into an exit strategy are still unknown is bat-shit-mental.
Not really, Test, track & trace allows you to ease lockdown (& restrict again) locally as the data allows you. Starmer, im sure knows this, hes also seen that the government are flailing all over the place to try & set it up (hence hancock pulling numbers out of the air & getting touchy at every presser).
The government havent acted on lockdon, food supplies, PPE, care homes.... etc until pressure was applied from journos, now with an actual opposition these things can be done by our elected representatives.
otherwise you just end up with the bat-shit mental members of government making stuff up as they go along & causing more chaos & confusion
Nadine Dorres in a spat with Piers Morgan? A real clash of the intellectual heavyweights there.
The best thing Kier Starmer can do is keep as quiet as possible until we're safely out the other side of this, where I very much doubt the government are going to emerge with much credit.
And surely the changes that we'll see being demanded in our society as a result of this will naturally favour the political position of the labour party rather than the shrink-the-state free-marketeers opposite them.
So best to let that emerge naturally, surely? It won't need much political encouragement, so best to sit back and say nowt, rather than run the risk accusations of playing politics in the middle of a national crisis. The party now has the people at the helm who look like a serious potential government, so the hysterical protestations of Momentum et al simply aren't relevant to most people, no matter how many Tweets they put out
So, as for the Corbynites lefts present bout of outraged petticoat rustling... let them get on with it. Nobody, except themselves (on Twitter), is listening. The reality is that outside the social-media sixth form bunker/echo chamber, most people don't give a toss about the why's and wherefores of why Corbyn is gone, they're just glad that he has and credible opposition is now once again a feature of UK politics
Test, track & trace allows you to ease lockdown
Cool, good to have a potential plan on the table:
(Roughly) How many test would that require? Just to be clear you're talking about antigen tests, not antibody tests, aren't you.
(Roughly) How many people would be needed to do the tracing? Who would you use to do that job?
mosy people don’t give a toss about the why’s and wherefores of why Corbyn is gone, they’re just glad that he has
Do you agree that losing the 2017 election and the subsequent defeat last year was a price worth paying to teach the left a lesson, because that seems to be the view of the people in those whatsapp messages?
And it doesn't matter whether 'most people' give a toss about it, only labour members. If you hadn't forgotten the vast majority of those supported Corbyn, and a significant number voted for Starmer. They'll want to know what he's going to do about labour members and salaried staff who wanted the tories to stay in power. Given some left wing members were thrown out for liking green party tweeets I expect they'll be wanting similar action.
Cool, good to have a potential plan on the table:
(Roughly) How many test would that require? Just to be clear you’re talking about antigen tests, not antibody tests, aren’t you.
(Roughly) How many people would be needed to do the tracing? Who would you use to do that job?
exactly! youve illustrated why the questions need to be asked
Do you agree that losing the 2017 election and the subsequent defeat last year was a price worth paying to teach the left a lesson
No. Not a price worth paying. But it was clear that it was the only way they might learn the lesson*, but they did not.
Although, “the left” includes lots of people that thought the 2019 manifesto took too much of scattergun approach. So by “the left” I’ve assumed you to mean the previous leader and those around him, rather than most Labour members and voters. I think Labour members have learnt the lesson. Plenty of very left leaning people in the new shadow cabinet who also have.
[*I’ll summarise the lesson to be that you need 40%+ of voters to support you, and you can’t get that many people to identify as “the left”, so need to win over a hell of a lot of voters who don’t]
exactly! youve illustrated why the questions need to be asked
No, I've illustrated questions that the Dept of Health *will* have already worked out and we can pretty sure they aren't sitting on a Panacea and they've forgotten to tell us and all it need is Keir to ask the right question.
Nobody knows the combination of things that will get us out of this because nobody knows how many people have already been infected, when a scalable antibody test will come along, when a vaccine will come along or when the kit/people will be available for large scale antigen testing.
Keir understands this which is why when he has his own question asked of him he ducks it.
Daz - do you seriously think that the minor actions of a few people in the party hierarchy really made any significant impact on either election result?
Seriously?
And that otherwise we’d have had a labour government and Grandad in number 10?
I’m afraid that that is so far into the realms of pure Fantasy as to be ludicrous
All this is just the continuation of the delusional belief that nothing is ever the fault of St Jeremy
Everyone knows this, which is why, despite the hysterical reaction of the faithful on Twitter, it has been met by everyone else with the collective shrug that it warrants.
And Kier Starmer, like most people, has bigger fish to fry than a few Marxists with hurty feelings
What is it with antisemites and the Stab in the back myth ?
Are you suggesting Daz is an anti-semite? Or that the accusations being levelled are the work of anti-semites?
I'd suggest careful consideration of your answer and some evidence to back up your assertions before replying.
No, I’ve illustrated questions that the Dept of Health *will* have already worked out and we can pretty sure they aren’t sitting on a Panacea and they’ve forgotten to tell us and all it need is Keir to ask the right question.
I'm amazed that people seem happy to let the government blunder us out of lockdown the way they blundered us into it.
Proper scrutiny wasn't done at the start of this not doing it now doesn't help
As you saw Merkel can explain it, why can't our own government ?
They've been dishonest about this so far, on herd immunity , talking to supermarkets, PPE, care homes etc
Why aren't you worried they're doing the same with an exit strategy?
Daz – do you seriously think that the minor actions of a few people in the party hierarchy really made any significant impact on either election result?
Seriously?
Unrelated, directly, to Corbyn but yes, just look at Scotland and the "anyone but SNP" policy that had Labour supporting the Tories where it would/could deny SNP a seat.
That such self defeating shenanigans were happening elsewhere isn't a great leap of imagination.
I’m amazed that people seem happy to let the government blunder us out of lockdown the way they blundered us into it.
Without large scale antibody test, a vaccine, large scale antigen tests, large scale treatments every nation is blundering. The one advantage the UK has is we can look at the countries who are ahead of us as they relax their lockdowns.
We are bang in the middle of world death rates, we didn't push the NHS beyond breaking getting to the first peak.
binners
SubscriberDaz – do you seriously think that the minor actions of a few people in the party hierarchy really made any significant impact on either election result?
The actions of the party heirarchy in Scotland enabled Theresa May to form a government with the DUP. And they still say they had a good election...
aaaand starmers question have got some answers from government
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVvPWx8WsAAh14e?format=png
binners:
The best thing Kier Starmer can do is keep as quiet as possible until we’re safely out the other side of this, where I very much doubt the government are going to emerge with much credit.
I can’t help thinking ‘magic grandpa’, would have been ridiculed for such an approach.
Daz – do you seriously think that the minor actions of a few people in the party hierarchy really made any significant impact on either election result?
Seriously?
And that otherwise we’d have had a labour government and Grandad in number 10?
I’m afraid that that is so far into the realms of pure Fantasy as to be ludicrous
It's not, actually. JC outright winning the 2017 election is a fantasy (60+ seats off an overall majority IIRC) but that's not what's been said - that election resulted in a hung parliament and about 10 of those seats labour lost by the narrowest of margins, 10s - 100s of votes. They swing the other way on a coordinated labour campaign and it's the JC and Nicola show in a minority government.
So yeah it's all water under the bridge now, and the man on the street is supremely not arsed about Leftist whatsapp archaeology, but there's no question it did some real damage to the LP. I don't think it's anything KS will really need to deal with outwardly or from the media, but it's going to leave some deep, festering resentments within the LPL structure that need sorting out.
Festering resentments? That’s all those shower have done for the best part of 40 years now. That’s not news. It’s their raison’d’etre. And the reason nobody voted for their unique brand of peevish, joyless sanctimony
And, like I said... Grandad achieving the additional 60+ seats required for an overall majority was, and is fantasy of the most ridiculous sort.
It was never, ever going to happen. Even against the most inept campaigner in political history, bar himself. But... you know... nothing is his fault, is it? Not the sainted Jeremy?
Let’s point the finger at everybody else instead.
Same old, same old. Losing the 2017 election should have been the end of the Corbyn ‘project’ but here they still are, being a PITA and carrying on their mission to render the Labour Party as totally unelectable.
Starmer has more important things to sort out right now than placating Twitterstorms from the professionally outraged members of the PFJ.
It’s instructive to see what those people think is a priority at the moment. Says it all.
Blinkers are strong binbins. Almost a bunker mentality yourself.
Also
K E I R
Bunker mentality? Hmmmmmmm.
I’ve never had any time for the insular, endlessly petty, narrow, self-absorbed, pragmatism-free, pious parochialism of ‘the left’
Which they’ve spent the last few days demonstrating admirably. All trying to outdo each other on social media with how indignant they are, while in the real world, outside their shrieking, outraged little echo chamber, thousands of people die.
Typical
I have no time for the Labur left twitter echo chamber- I find it funny in the same way you do. BUT you are ignoring the wrong that the "grown-ups" in the party have done. Some of them should be out the bloody door. You couldn't wait to see the back of Seamus and co but you are happy to turn a blind eye to this lot.
So that was week two of new sensible meaninful opposition. A polite request to a rudderless and incompetent government if they wouldn't mind awfully letting us know what they intend to do release us all from house arrest, whilst almost nothing on the continuing crisis in hospitals and care homes where staff don't have the PPE they need, and people are being left to die on their own with no medical help. And a new review announced to investigate the previous investigation, because the results of that investigation didn't quite come out they way they hoped they would. Tricky stuff this opposition lark, and we were told it was all so easy.
whilst almost nothing on the continuing crisis in hospitals and care homes where staff don’t have the PPE they need
You’ve ignored all media appearances by the shadow health team then? If you’re only talking about the leader’s own appearances, then I agree with you.
Miliband has been chasing on his brief (help to companies) strongly as well.
Dodds on job retention schemes as well.
I could go on…
I was about to post links to media stories based on contributions from the shadow team… but just referring people to this page is less scattergun (quicker to scan than a load of radio and TV links with time cues as well):
https://labour.org.uk/category/latest/press-release/
Although, as I said, I’m not impressed with Starmer’s own efforts either.
Same old, same old. Losing the 2017 election should have been the end of the Corbyn ‘project’ but here they still are, being a PITA and carrying on their mission to render the Labour Party as totally unelectable.
You and JHB concur.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1251439200836124672
Not prepared to join the battle for the truth Binners?
I can’t believe I’m siding with that hateful women against a man I like and respect like McDonnell, but I am. He has more useful stuff he could be getting on with, surely? And I still don’t recognise his description of the content of the leaks, he’s just parroting one narrow, and I’m afraid I have to say ‘paranoid’, interpretation. It’s a story no one is really interested in right now, and is just a one sided view of a messy internal battle that can either be put to rest for now, or lead to permanent opposition, especially if the ‘other side’ start counter leaking. Why is he risking the damage to his party?
You couldn’t wait to see the back of Seamus and co but you are happy to turn a blind eye to this lot.
Well that was bound to happen.
I can’t believe I’m siding with that hateful women against a man I like and respect like McDonnell, but I am. He has more useful stuff he could be getting on with, surely?
You've got to hold people to account. Simple. Too much damge was caused by the press with the amplification of AS.
the amplification of AS
The layers of this one are a mess. If allies of ‘the left’ (who got me voting Labour) hadn’t fuelled that fire with antisemetic behaviour, then it couldn’t have been fanned, or amplified, by the media and their ‘enemies’ within the party. Both ‘sides’ behaved abysmally, and the options now are to move on, or destroy the party with tit for tat ‘revelations’. I had hoped McDonnell would pick the healing route, but perhaps those that claimed he only wanted to be king maker for leader of the party, rather than leader of the country, were right after all.
I expected Dazh & you, Rone, to jump on this, but I thought better of McDonnell.
A polite request to a rudderless and incompetent government if they wouldn’t mind awfully letting us know what they intend to do release us all from house arrest,
Starmers question gave us a more detailed response the following day than we've ever had about how lockdown could end
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1250818414735699969?s=19
More of that please
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1252242157198598145?s=19
I think there's a pattern forming 😉
Not prepared to join the battle for the truth Binners?
The truth? Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans? Because JHB says it, it can't possibly be true? Grow up! I suspect that she's voicing the opinions of an awful lot of people, the vast majority of the voting public in fact, who are more than happy that Magic Grandad and his motley assortment of Marxist incompetents are gone for good.
And anyway, all this 'report' appears to consist of is a lot of gossip and paranoid tittle-tattle from inside the bunker partially leaked to do as much damage as possible as they're hoofed back to the backbenches where they belong.
Nobody cares!
The Guardian was reporting that a lot of the people named in these leaks (which have arch-Corbynite Jennie Formby's fingerprints all over them) are now taking legal action for libel and it looks like the final act of the Corbynites will be to bankrupt the party, paying out damages and legal fees. So it looks like this particular hatchet job is proving as well-judged and successful as their last attempted drive-by shooting on Tom Watson
How typically self-indulgent of them, as they continue to do Tory Central Offices work for them, as always.
A good job this is an opportune moment for such nonsense, with not much important going on
Oh... I just had a pop onto Twitter to see what the latest tin-foil helmet lunacy is from the lefty headbangers, and who'd have guessed it...
The country hasn't just given a collective shrug, because we're all a bit busy with other stuff at the moment and nobody actually gives a toss about what Corbyn and his weird cult members have to say...
Oh no. That would be too logical. Too easy.
Apparently the #LabourLeaks report is being deliberately suppressed, and guess who's involved?
The Israeli's!!
...obviously 😂
No wonder Starmer is concentrating on the day job and not even acknowledging this puerile, paranoid, sixth-form level, delusional nonsense
They really are absolutely mental! Completely hatstand, the lot of them
if they wouldn’t mind awfully letting us know what they intend to do release us all from house arrest
That's the sort of thing an American would write on a placard and hold it while swearing at a nurse in the street.
Starmer should be keeping his head down, getting the Labour house in order and occasionally poking the govt for inaction.
Then emerging from the ashes to really put up a credible opposition.
The Poll above doesn't take into account that now is not the time for politicking. All the lower house should be working towards a common goal. There will be time to throw rotten veg at each other in the future
Very excited about Starmer's first PMQs. I'm expecting big things, and a demonstration of what real opposition looks like in the serious world of not rocking the boat in case we upset the other side.
Totally hatstand.
You don't think student nurses working on the front line should have their debts written off?
They shouldn’t be charged the fees in the first place, so yes, they should have those debts cancelled.
I think Starmer should have waited for Johnson’s return before doing any dispatch box stuff. Nandy or Rayner should be handling Raab.
I take it back! He’s taking Raab’s responses apart.
Nice to see a labour leader who looks up instead of just standing staring at his notes and reading the questions he’s had written for him, then actually being sharp enough to think on his feet in response to Raabs half-arsed answers.
What are the six formers going to do without their shouty, ten second Twitter clip though?
actually being sharp enough to think on his feet in response to Raabs half-arsed answers
9/10
A strong first appearance.