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Sir! Keir! Starmer!

 dazh
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I doubt that. I don’t believe for a second that Andy Burnham is a racist

I think Burnham is as much of a racist as Corbyn is an anti-semite, but lets not go there 🙂

Nandy has show a stupendous lack of political judgement and knowledge

Hence why she's been given the job of worrying about the politics of other countries. She'll be so busy swotting up on capital cities and who foreign presidents are she won't even have the time to go down the chippy let alone get involved in anything going on here.


 
Posted : 05/04/2020 9:40 pm
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Oh I don't think Burnham is a racist either - but he did play the race card in the mayoral election and I did give yo the quotes binners and you agreed it was disgraceful

Long way off topic tho.


 
Posted : 05/04/2020 9:48 pm
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Well if my Father-In-Law is anything to go by he has connected with a lifelong Conservative voter and DM reader!

Yup, Boris wasn't popular, his approval ratings were dire. I think KS will appeal across the board.

Annelise Dodds, a member of McDonnell’s treasury team instead of Reeves

In contrast this is worrying. The spending promises in 2019 were just insane. (Christ we're in the worst crisis since WW2 and the worst economix chrisis since the Great Depression and we're *still* only spending what MCDonnell was going to piss up the wall.) Of course the fact she worked for the Shadow Treasury team doesn't mean she agreed with the policy. (EDIT: Just checked and she's not in the Socialist Campaign Group - so she'll be fine.)

So in my view FWIW KS is going to be really good. He's got rid of the Momentum hold on the NEC and the leadership. *If* he isn't really good he's still going to be 10,000,000,000 time better than Momentum/Corbyn. The membership got Labour into the mess, and they got them out of it.


 
Posted : 05/04/2020 10:01 pm
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Is there any "Dirt" in his past the right wing press can use against him? He was pretty quick to snatch the antisemitic beating stick out of their hands.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:20 am
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They will look for some Klunk - and invent some if they find none. I expect it to firstly be over his legal career - either failing to prosecute properly some unsavory types or when he was an human rights lawyer. Terrorist friend

Its already started in fact - first result I got on google is an attack based on his supposed wealth with a dig about his work as a lawyer


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:59 am
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They will look for some Klunk – and invent some if they find none.

We have poisonous media in this country. There's no way we should be in a position where the bulk of it is foreign owned.

And it should be more fragmented into more independently owned units. Otherwise we get the situation we now have where the politicians have to lick Murdoch's arse.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:40 am
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Is there any “Dirt” in his past the right wing press can use against him?

Just woken up and seen my first "uncited terrible font jpg" smear posted on Facebook. Accusing of Starmer being in charge of the initially dismissed Saville case.

So it begins.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 7:59 am
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report it as fake news


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 8:17 am
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As Sir Keir Starmer he will find it difficult connecting with traditional working class Labour voters

You mean the ones that voted in pretty huge numbers for Eton-educated, descendant of royalty, professional bumbling toff Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson?


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 8:26 am
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Which North are you talking about?

Pretty obviously I was talking about northern England, as that's where Labour took a hammering in the last GE. Scotland was lost a long time ago.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 8:58 am
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Scotland was not lost " a long time ago" and there is clearly a very volatile group in the electorate that does not have a huge party allegiance.

The issues for labour in Scotland are much the same as in northern england - its the actions of the labour mps and msps that caused the drop in votes and the way that westminster ignored the concerns of local people


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 9:03 am
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This made me laugh...

Rebecca Long-Bailey wins the argument


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 9:19 am
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You mean the ones that voted in pretty huge numbers for Eton-educated, descendant of royalty, professional bumbling toff Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson?

The candidate who vowed to carry out the result of a recent referendum rather than stomp all over democratic you mean?


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 9:39 am
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Simplistic reductionist messaging may have been the sure fire way to win the last election, but voters may well be looking for something different in a couple of years time.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 10:19 am
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Scotland was not lost ” a long time ago” and there is clearly a very volatile group in the electorate that does not have a huge party allegiance.

The issues for labour in Scotland are much the same as in northern england – its the actions of the labour mps and msps that caused the drop in votes and the way that westminster ignored the concerns of local people

If a politician had come out with that kind of nonsense, you'd be calling them an idiot.

The issues for Labour in Scotland are quite obviously not the same as they are in northern England. The last time I checked, the SNP wasn't fielding a candidate in my constituency.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 10:20 am
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The underlying issues are very similar IMO. the main differnce is there is an easy alternative to vote for but the reasons for the collapse are very similar in mayny ways

A feeling of not being listened to / being dictated to from afar.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 10:23 am
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The candidate who vowed to carry out the result of a recent referendum rather than stomp all over democratic you mean?

Maybe so, yes, but it still shows that they don't care whether the person they're voting for was born in Kensington or Kilmarnock; they vote for the party (well, let's be honest, they vote for the leader) that has a coherent (god help me) 'vision' that resonates with them and the perceived competence to achieve it.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 10:30 am
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Oh god! I agree with TJ!

If the voters of northern England had been offered the same credible alternative as those in Scotland were with the SNP then the labour party's electoral anhialation would have been exactly the same, years ago!

They've all just voted Tory FFS! In places where the large scale hatred of the Tory party is absolutely visceral with a good chunk of voters.

Starmer is going to have one hell of a job on his hands to win those voters back.

I'm sure that will be aided by the Tory's failing to deliver on grand promises in these northern seats, using coronavirus as a handy catch-all excuse for continued austerity, but labour will have to offer a credible, believable alternative. Something it hasn't done for quite some time


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 10:39 am
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Very happy at the result. Looks like we have a sensible and credible opposition.
His career has been very impressive. I'm a fan anyway.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 10:43 am
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I’m sure that will be aided by the Tory’s failing to deliver on grand promises in these northern seats

Wishful thinking. Outside of Liverpool the northern idiots believe whatever they read in the sun and the daily mail. It'll be Red Ed all over again with the added bonus of him being a posh lawyer from 'that London'. If there's one thing I've learned from a lifetime of living up north it's that the chip on the shoulder is much stronger than any rational thinking about what's best for them. The only reason Blair got away with it is because he pretended to be a northerner by supporting the toon. Starmer is a devoted gunner so he's got no chance.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 11:08 am
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Starmer is a devoted gunner so he’s got no chance.

Sweet Jesus! Now you tell me.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 11:14 am
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Burgon is gone

phew!


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 11:58 am
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Looks like some lucky village is about to get its idiot back

Though it is of course a tragedy that the Tony Benn Memorial University of Political Education will not now be built 🙁


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:00 pm
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How gone?

Will he be popping up occasionally in the media to open his mouth and undo the hard work of the rest of the Labour Party?


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:19 pm
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I think Jeremy has already bagsied that job.

Why stop now?


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:27 pm
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I'll bet you a feast in Greggs that Corbyn does not do that! ) or did you mean me?

Andrew Gwynne gone as well. Starmer is having a right good clearout. Still no announcement of a job for RLB - my guess Starmer ( having said he would include her) offered her a post suitable for her skills and she declined wanting one of the big jobs


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:32 pm
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Simplistic reductionist messaging may have been the sure fire way to win the last election, but voters may well be looking for something different in a couple of years time.

The voters are not going to suddenly become more aware or more intelligent so Starmer needs to show good leadership along with some good policies for those that can read past "Get Brexit Done" while also condensing his goals down to "Get Brexit Done" so the majority will get it.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:33 pm
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Just read the Youtube, FB and Twitter comments under his acceptance speech. Test the temperature. Burst your bubble.

Simplistic reductionist messaging may have been the sure fire way to win the last election, but voters may well be looking for something different in a couple of years time.

After the recession I mean austerity I mean Brexit/Nationalistic-fever I mean 2-year lockdown of recent times, we can look forward to global depression very soon, then (if history is any guide) rising Nationalism and war/s.

Human nature (when tested) seems to favour ‘shove thy neighbour’.

Alt concluded in a study of economic decline in the United Kingdom that economic distress makes the policy preferences of most voters less “generous,” or “altruistic,” rendering the political climate less hospitable for left‐wing parties, and Durr showed that voters in the United States tend to become more liberal in good times and more conservative in bad times

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/spsr.12007

Yes it’s a negative outlook. I don’t expect anything good going forwards. We’re basically chimpanzees playing dress-up, yet when the shit hits the fan the costumes tend to come off right quick. We’ve enjoyed (in the UK) enormous peace* and security on our Island for the last 4 decades. I’ll be taking some of those memories with me as supplies down this final road.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:36 pm
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I’ll bet you a feast in Greggs that Corbyn does not do that!

You're on! Usual pastry-based wager uncle Jezza? That egotistical, sanctimonious old duffer won't be able to help himself! He'll be chipping in with a running commentary, with his usual total absense of self-awareness

On that note, guess what I'm having for lunch? Debs has been to Iceland this morning, so I've got Greggs steak bakes and sausage rolls. Its the best thing that's happened in weeks!! 😀


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:40 pm
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Still no announcement of a job for RLB

Excellent! Its looking good so far. A proper clearout of the deadwood


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:44 pm
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Excellent! Its looking good so far.

Except all it will do is provoke a war with the left. What's the point in that? You say you want to the party to win and be pragmatic. That's only going to happen with unity. That's not going to happen if RLB is not given an important job.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:47 pm
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Why reward failure? They had their chance. They were worse than useless.

Off you pop to the backbenches, where you belong. In Richard Burgons case, out by the bins


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:51 pm
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Has environment been announced yet? I’m still hoping RLB will get that, but it does look like he’s going for mostly “fresh” faces on the front bench (fresh for the public that is, most of the appointments so far seem to be people who’ve quietly been working on that brief for a while) so perhaps she’ll get a party role rather than a shadow minister brief. Back to the back benches would be a mistake… no announcement yet suggests they are discussing which role, and a no role result is only likely if RLB turns down everything she is offered.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:57 pm
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Why reward failure? They had their chance.

Pragmatism is alive and well I see. All the protestations about doing what it takes to win were just hot air, because what you really want is to continue the internal divisions and internecine warfare on a point of ideology. Anyway, you're jumping the gun. RLB will get a post, the alternative is the certain failure of Starmer's primary goal to unify the party.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 12:58 pm
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Again.... it's not about ideology at all. Its about possessing a basic level of competence. Not too much to ask, you'd think, if you're after the job of running the country.

I can't see any reason why any of the architects of Labours worst election result for 85 years should retain a senior frontbench position. And that includes Long Bailey as she was heavily involved in writing a laughable manifesto which virtually nobody believed was credible


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:02 pm
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RLB has not been given one of the top jobs! Starmer is in a real position of power within the party right now. The left are not going to create much if any public fuss


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:03 pm
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Anyway, you’re jumping the gun. RLB will get a post, the alternative is the certain failure of Starmer’s primary goal to unify the party.

Binners and co dont want a united party. They want to purge the unbelievers and recast the party in their pure image.


 
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The left are not going to create much if any public fuss

Yeah there is the advantage that unlike the moderates those of a more left wing persuasion arent so dogmatically purist and so would be more willing to compromise and support rather than spend their time trying to destroy.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:04 pm
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You're really not getting the concept of pragmatism, are you?

If you had a defender who'd nodded in two own goals in the last match before getting sent off, do you think they'd be on the team sheet any time soon?

Its not about ideology, its about competence


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:08 pm
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unlike the moderates those of a more left wing persuasion arent so dogmatically purist

Sorry, my irony meter just exploded 😂


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:12 pm
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Why reward failure? They had their chance. They were worse than useless.

Again…. it’s not about ideology at all. Its about possessing a basic level of competence.

Starmer was a prominent member of the shadow cabinet who contributed to two general election defeats. Can you explain why he gets a free pass?


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:15 pm
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We all know who the cabal were who were pulling the strings in the bunker.

Starmer certainly wasn't one of the inner sanctum. It was common knowledge that he only ever got any concessions from the politburo when he threatened to resign.

Rebecca Long Bailey, on the other hand...


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:19 pm
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those of a more left wing persuasion arent so dogmatically purist and so would be more willing to compromise and support

The Socialist Campaign Group won't be supporting the party any time soon. They'll return to the back benches and keep voting against their party at will just as they always have. I'm not saying they're wrong to do so, merely that they won't be supporting. (If support means following the whip.)


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:19 pm
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We all know who the cabal were who were pulling the strings in the bunker. Starmer certainly wasn’t one of the inner sanctum. It was common knowledge that he only ever got any concessions from the politburo when he threatened to resign

Classic cognitive dissonance: when presented with facts that contradict your belief, disregard the facts.


 
Posted : 06/04/2020 1:20 pm
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Starmer was a prominent member of the shadow cabinet who contributed to two general election defeats.

Exactly. He architected the single policy which sent hundreds of thousands of brexit supporting voters in the north and west midlands straight into the hands of Boris Johnson. Labour's brexit policy was the biggest failure of all. I don't think anyone, Starmer especially, has clean hands when it comes to the election defeat.


 
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