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Yes, I do.
I also know a man can have a uterus.
Yeah, in the case of an exceedingly rare medical condition. But most men claiming to be women, and women claiming to be men, are clearly mentally ill and should probably be treated as such.
Would you say gays and lesbiens are mentally ill too? 🤣
Nope they're all sound. Shame their pride marches have been given a bad rep by the trans mob.
Yes, I do.
I also know a man can have a uterus.
Yeah, in the case of an exceedingly rare medical condition. But most men claiming to be women, and women claiming to be men, are clearly mentally ill and should probably be treated as such.
Would you say gays and lesbiens are mentally ill too? 🤣
Nope they're all sound. Shame their pride marches have been given a bad rep by the trans mob.
LOL you are J K Rowling, and I claim my £5.
Dai Hard - Joined September 1, 2025
Let's not feed 'it'.
Called too early there Binners
Indeed. At this rate, endorsing eugenics within the next few posts is a given
But most men claiming to be women, and women claiming to be men, are clearly mentally ill and should probably be treated as such.
Many are, but that's not causing them to identify differently to their birth sex. They're mentally ill because of pricks like you that deny them an existence that is harming no-one*.
And you say most? What are the exceptions then that you do allow?
* if it mildly inconveniences some then as well stated in the past I think the balance is that it is an inconvenience that can be borne. I'd tolerate a discussion on that point though. I won't tolerate the bigotry that denies a right to exist.
Dai Hard - Joined September 1, 2025
Let's not feed 'it'.
I’m sure someone used that name previously.
Maybe not
I can't be bothered to read all that doggybollox on the previous page. So, has this melt used the phrase 'sheeple' yet?
Given this:
Thankfully he seems to have a plan for that, to ditch the utterly pointless charade that is 'Net Zero'. That should save us around £30 billion a year.
It would seem likely.
It's a bit frustrating, mind, because I can get this crap whenever I want on Facebook or Twitter. Having it pop up here like an unflushable turd is just irritating.
I might stay away for a day or so and hope this latest plonker has given up by then.
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Oh really? Someone with a vested interest perhaps? Didn't work for the utterly discredited lot at Imperial College did they?
Yup as does everyone on this forum aside from you. So since we have all been paid off its best you dont waste your time here.
So I asked for someone, (anyone)? to clarify what data Mr Malhotra got incorrect in his speech. But as yet nothing substantial apart from some character assassination an deferral to authority type stuff. Are we to take from this that he has indeed got all his facts correct? Perhaps it is the case that the flak is indeed heaviest when directly over the target?
Of note is people claiming that 'millions' of lives were saved by the Covid vaccines. But the vaccines were never ever tested for mortality, and nor was they ever tested for transmission. The Pfizer vaccine was tested against the prevention of mild to moderate Covid 19 symptoms. For this, the Actual Risk Reduction (ARR) of the Pfizer Covid vaccine was approximately 0.84% as reported in the Pfizer clinical trials. This means that for every 119 people who received the vaccine instead of placebo, one additional symptomatic COVID-19 case was prevented. So hardly that effective then?
Interesting too that there are more and more studies coming out that compare excess deaths in vaccinated v's unvaccinated cohorts, finding that excess deaths in the vaccinated cohort are always higher. One such study out of many shows that death rate from Covid was actually higher in more heavily vaccinated countries, and increased after vaccination. How can this be?
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09246479251336610
Again, I ask for a critique of the data presented by Dr Malhotra, because character assassination, or blaming the wrong politics, or deferral to industry funded or media hit-pieces, just don't cut the mustard I'm afraid, and if this is all people have then I am inclined to believe that Mr Malhotra is indeed telling some inconvenient truths.
Can someone pop round to Dai’s and throw him from a window? 🪟, cheers.
CBA to read through all the debating, my eyes just picked out this:
New cancer diagnosis rates have been increasing for decades and projected to go on rising. They were rising before the Covid vaccines and after.
As I was reading about it today. Oral sex and a particular strain of the HPV virus is one culprit apparently.
https://theconversation.com/hpv-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-common-virus-linked-to-cancer-263678
... nb. I'm not going to make any further suggestions. Also, I seem to recollect recently seeing a book published in the last decade about the damaging effects of porn, how it's become more extreme with respect to the wider population.
HPV was in my list if you'd read down, sirromji. 🙂
Here's one for the petrol heads, your exhaust fumes are giving you (and the rest of us) dementia:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu4132
Again, I ask for a critique of the data presented by Dr Malhotra, because character assassination, or blaming the wrong politics, or deferral to industry funded or media hit-pieces, just don't cut the mustard I'm afraid, and if this is all people have then I am inclined to believe that Mr Malhotra is indeed telling some inconvenient truths.
This is conspiracy crazy in a nutshell. "people slate it .. so it's probably true!".
Taking a controversial, illogical or downright stupid position as an alternative to accepting that others do actually know more on a topic or the majority have debunked an idea, because you're either paranoid or you can't handle not knowing a topic yourself and not being in control.
If someone says something along the lines of "people slate what they say yet I'm still open to it being possible, though the weight of evidence makes it rather unlikely" .. all good. Some days some of us feel that way about God ; )
The Editor of The Lancet, Richard Horton, reported on a presentation by Malhotra 7 November 2022 at a public meeting organised by the Association of Naturopathic Practitioners at Friends House, London.
'Malhotra's method of argument deserves scrutiny to understand why it persuades some people. Frame one's view as the reluctant endpoint of a personal journey. Quote respected scientists. Stand up to corporates. Place oneself firmly on the side of patients. Emphasise well described concerns about the presentation of research evidence. Allude to correlations. Make the call for access to raw data an issue of trust and transparency.
After the meeting descended into chaos, Horton observed that 'this descent into unreason is what happens when you inflame public anxieties. It needs to stop.'
Wikipedia on Dr Malhotra. Wikipedia and The Lancet are fairly widely reviewed sources I'd say, that'll do for me. That's a concise summary - Farage / populism works in a similar way.
At this rate, endorsing eugenics within the next few posts is a given
Why would they argue for something where the stated aim is to eliminate, as an example, themselves?
Unless of course they have fallen into actually spending all their time supporting causes which are actually detrimental to their own interests. That is the great success of Farage and the like, getting the turkeys to vote for Christmas
Well, they must all be feeling significantly better off now that we’ve ’Taken Back Control’ post-Brexit? And who can blame them, when it’s all gone so well and all the promises have all been delivered on, and then some!
Why wouldn’t you vote for more of the same?
I'm liking the radio silence from our maga-shagga conspiracy fruit loop. Hopefully that's due to some moderator action.
Well, they must all be feeling significantly better off now that we’ve ’Taken Back Control’ post-Brexit? And who can blame them, when it’s all gone so well and all the promises have all been delivered on, and then some!
Why wouldn’t you vote for more of the same?
But Farage wunt in charge so the Remainers f****d it up on purpose. We need him to get in so we can get the Brexit we voted for!
What I never get with people who are against net zero - just for a moment, imagine that coal oil etc is not killing the planet. None of it is very clean. I was in London recently - they've got the Ulez zone, electric buses, cars etc... & you know what, I didn't get black snot.
Made it much more pleasent. Imagine that - but on a global scale, just cleaning up the planet a bit - why is anyone against that?
Because it inteferes with their right to drive an inefficient V8 shitbox like their parents did, or something about money. After all, why should the EVs be exempt from road tax* and ULEZ and not my suped up 1990's XR3i with a bean tin exhaust?
* Yes, I know.
Well, they must all be feeling significantly better off now that we’ve ’Taken Back Control’ post-Brexit? And who can blame them, when it’s all gone so well and all the promises have all been delivered on, and then some!
Why wouldn’t you vote for more of the same?
Many would because "we won you lost get over it". They won, you/we're pissed off - that's all some want. "if I'm unhappy I'll make sure you are too..". We're in this together, like it or not. None of this left Vs right distraction BS.
Obvs I'm totally against real right wing nastiness .. but much of what's in discussion here is not really R vs L, it's divisive populism leading to fascism to further the cause of the ultra-wealthy Vs the rest of us pleb's best interests. The rise of the right is just a sign that the economic polices are causing the dissatisfaction which is then manipulated into nationalism or racism by those who can. All of this starts with inequality. 6th Form level politics perhaps .. same old issues in other words. My take on all this hasn't changed in 35 years or more because the politics haven't changed either. Tory, Labour, same. Unfortunately I see why Farage is getting somewhere, I just hope there is an alternative who uses effective communication and can offer something to others who are similarly disaffected.
There's also a very good argument that green energy is cheap and makes us self reliant which in themselves are very good reasons to adopt it. Unfortunately the luddites aren't interested in reasoned arguments, they've chosen their team, fruit loop right wing which seems to want us all to live in an idyllic version of the 50s which never existed.
We've got Scout Moor and Scout Moor 2 going in on our doorstep. All the arguments are around the visuals (there are more uglier long distance transmission lines in the area no one complains about), the environmental damage (Scout Moor is an ex industrial wasteland pock marked with stone quarries and access tracks and tramways with loads of rusting lumps of metal, the hill behind my house which also has turbines is covered in coal waste and mining detritus) and incoherent arguments on the economics, on the one hand it's costly and requires subsidies and other the other hand foreign investors are making a killing out of it.
I'm liking the radio silence from our maga-shagga conspiracy fruit loop. Hopefully that's due to some moderator action.
I'd rather hope that it's because they've taken a look at themselves and realised that they are being a bit of ****.
But, given other interactions I've had with this sort, I seriously doubt it.
A good article from somebody who’s witnessed it first hand, on the reality of where Farage and Reform want to take us…
A good article from somebody who’s witnessed it first hand, on the reality of where Farage and Reform want to take us…
And there's a lot of similar stories not getting the attention they deserve
The problem with this type of story is that it results in copycat events - the "CNN effect". Reporting something can provoke a reaction and the media concerned becomes a part of the problem with the role of driving the movement forward.
I don't need to know about every story and sometimes feel the media would be best to shut the **** up and not give the thugs air time until they get sentenced for whatever they've been up to.
Eh? Have you actually read the article? Doesn’t sound like it. How can a Guardian article exposing the racists for what they are, hiding their nationalism behind patriotism, be a bad thing?
They’ve been getting away with it for far too long. We need far more of this, not less. The narrative needs to be taken away from Farage and co, who have been setting the agenda and calling the shots for far too long.
We need exactly this kind of thing, exposing these people for what they are. Racist thugs! Farage is just a more media-savvy Tommy Robinson in a tweed jacket, with a lot of dark money behind him. More people who support him need to see that as the reality
I did read the article and it's just one of what I see as far to many reports in which racist thugs intimidate vulnerable people (when they aren't actually burning them out) with complete impunity. That encourages more thugs to get out there and join in with the "fun". If the images were of tear gassed racist thugs being bundled into police vans there might be an element of dissuasion but the reporting I've seen shows the thugs winning.
There's no political will and the police seem reluctant to act which doesn't surprise me given their voting habits in countries that take an interest in such things.
There's no political will and the police seem reluctant to act which doesn't surprise me given their voting habits in countries that take an interest in such things
I know you don’t actually live in this country, as you never tire of reminding us, but obviously you missed this then? Farage and the right wing press were outraged at how harshly the racist rioters were treated, with them even arguing they were political prisoners
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prison-numbers-riot-uk-record-b2604430.html
Following the unrest, a total of 460 people appeared in magistrates’ courts in relation to the disorder after more than 1,100 people were, with almost 700 of those charged, according to the National Police Chiefs’ Council
I did read the article and it's just one of what I see as far to many reports in which racist thugs intimidate vulnerable people (when they aren't actually burning them out) with complete impunity. That encourages more thugs to get out there and join in with the "fun". If the images were of tear gassed racist thugs being bundled into police vans there might be an element of dissuasion
I don't think those racist thugs are likely to be reading a Guardian article? So it's unlikely to either encourage or dissuade them.
Conversely, does it make the silent majority feel more likely to actually go out and take flags down and repaint roundabouts (as has happened where I live) or stand up to the gangs shouting at hotels.
As we've seen time and again, there are many many more of us than them, prepared to clean the racist graffiti off shops, to rebuild the wall outside the mosque, to send a message that we aren't a racist country, just one that's infected by a racist minority.
That's what I took from the article, that more direct response is needed rather than wait for the authorities to step in. We want our country back, the tolerant multicultural one we love.
Indeed. I made the point about the present polling, with Reform at 30%, that if there were an election tomorrow, the ‘Anyone But Reform’ tactical vote would be enormous
Those 30% are very vocal and given far too much airtime, but I still think that of the other 70%, the majority are not ambivalent. They find Farage, Reform and everything they represent to be absolutely abhorrent
Indeed. I made the point about the present polling, with Reform at 30%, that if there were an election tomorrow, the ‘Anyone But Reform’ tactical vote would be enormous
Those 30% are very vocal and given far too much airtime, but I still think that of the other 70%, the majority are not ambivalent. They find Farage, Reform and everything they represent to be absolutely abhorrent
Yep, I'd rather vote lib dem but I'll just as easily vote green or labour depending on what my local polls look like closer to the time.
I don't like it, but I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face.
A good article from somebody who’s witnessed it first hand, on the reality of where Farage and Reform want to take us…
That was a little chilling to read, I know Faversham pretty well, my sister and bil live there. Only about 30 minutes drive away and about as serene a place as you can get in the South East.
but obviously you missed this then?
There was a thread about Southport on STW, the source of all UK knowledge. I'd have rather seen suspended sentences combined with big fines and long community service hours, that way they'd have plenty of labour to take down the flags and clear up the graffiti. As the Faversham article states the police did not intervene, it was the mayor who was on the front line in the stand off.
I did read the article and it's just one of what I see as far to many reports in which racist thugs intimidate vulnerable people (when they aren't actually burning them out) with complete impunity.
D'you want the media to censor itself? The govt to censor the media? You can see how that would hand Farage and the neo-nazis a victory, right?
I don't think those racist thugs are likely to be reading a Guardian article anything as they probably can't read? So it's unlikely to either encourage or dissuade them.
FTFY.
I'd like the media to consider the message it's sending. The amount of space and air time given to the flags has IMO encouraged the racist thugs. The other message they're getting is that no-one is doing anything about it, from the PM down. The media is fueling the fire. You might expect this of the gutter press given the ownership and agenda but I find the BBC coverage does more to encourage than dissuade. Anyhow judge for yourself, is this BBC article fueling the fire and encouraging the flag fliers or denouncing them as littering intimidating racist thugs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxpel6dwr0o
You just know that lout on the right does most of his jobs cash in hand and doesn't put it through the books. Then he complains in the (flat-roofed) pub that his taxes are wasted on foreigners in the UK.
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Meanwhile, Nige's buddy Vladimir has been probing Polish airspace...
D'you want the media to censor itself? The govt to censor the media? You can see how that would hand Farage and the neo-nazis a victory, right?
@nickc no, I do not. You are talking to the wrong person. That quote you have attributed to me was actually made by @Edukator! I know it's the poorly implemented forum quote feature, not you. It's still ****ing annoying though when comments you never made and might disagree with are permanently attributed to you. It's not the first time it's happened to me on here either.
In the absence of properly functioning forum software, it might help if people read what they've posted when doing stacked quotes and edit within the window if necessary.
Apologies @blokeuptheroad, I didn't notice in time. Yes, my comments directed at @Edukator
Apologies @blokeuptheroad, I didn't notice in time. Yes, my comments directed at @Edukator
👍 Thanks, and sorry - that reads as excessively grumpy! Not directed at you, I'm just frustrated at the shonky forum software putting words in my mouth (or keyboard). I "reported" your post to ask the mods to edit it.
Well, nickc, do you think that BBC article is unnecessary fuel on the fire bigging up and ancouraging the flag fliers or a clear denounciation of racist thugs? I answered your question, it would be nice to see a response to my reply. It's this type of article glorifying the flag flyers that I would like to see the Beeb self censoring. Sure people need to be informed and that's the role of news organisations but that pic with that headline - shut the **** up BBC.