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the worry for badenoch is the number of (current & former) MPs defecting to reform
Which makes Farage's claim that they are not just the Tories in disguise even harder to run with, if any journalists wanted to mention it
badenoch has 6 weeks? before her protected period is up and the 1922 letters can start being sent/counted
So it’ll be about 2 months until we see Honest Bob across the despatch box at PMQ’s?
I actually hope now that the Tories get a good leader, they might be able to take some chunks out of Reform. It probably needs to be a white bloke though.
Nigel Farage is a white bloke...
It probably needs to be a white bloke though.
It will be, as it’ll be Robert Jenrick. A vile and loathsome little man, straight from Tory tick box casting, who will do his best Farage tribute act, but will inevitably just end up as a low-fat version of him
Kemi’s latest vote-winning wheeze to stop the Tory’s descent into total irrelevance….
*checks notes*….
climate change denial!
Finger on the pulse of the nation, as always Kemi
More vote winning madness
I am also loving her " we will deport 150000 people a year" Like how are you going to do that. Out of her depth in a puddle
As said many times - leaving the ECHR only works for England. Wales, NI and Scotland have it enshrined in their law and for NI also in various international agreements. the only way it could be removed for Scotland would be to close Holyrood as its in the Scotland act that cannot be changed without the consent of both parties. NI I see no way at all of changing it. Not sure about wales
Sure - I meant that its almost impossible for Westminster to disallow it for Scotland NI and I think Wales 🙂
These morons have learnt absolutely nothing. Leaving the ECHR would be exactly the same nonsense as Brexit. The casual 'oh yeah, we'll just leave the EU, it'll be easy'
Then it doesn't survive the first contact with reality, as the true fiendlishly-complicated horror unravells and the laws of unintended consequences kick in big time
Their shit-thick, little-englanders tied this country in knots and sucked up all available political bandwidth for years, while everything else went to shit. Leaving the ECHR would just do the same again.
I can't see too many people, other than the truly hard-of-thinking, having much appetite for that
Russell Findley ( scottish tory leader) talking absolute nonsense about this
"He said that withdrawal from the ECHR was “the only feasible option” to gain full control of UK borders, and that he did not believe the Good Friday Agreement, the UK-EU trade agreement, and the Windsor Framework negotiated to ease post-Brexit trading arrangements, were barriers to leaving the convention. "
"Asked if that meant he didn’t see any “complexities” in unpicking the ECHR from the devolution settlement, Findlay said: “There will be a lot of work to be done generally once this goes through, but it is a credible and detailed plan. "
And from Shona Robison ( SNP)
“The ECHR issue, as you pointed out, has major implications for the Scottish Parliament, where much of our legislation of course incorporates the European Convention of Human Rights.
I can't see too many people, other than the truly hard-of-thinking, having much appetite for that
Sounds like an election winner unfortunately
He said that withdrawal from the ECHR was “the only feasible option” to gain full control of UK borders
To which the only logical reply is "I thought you told us that Brexit was going to sort all that?"
Brexit lies over border control lasted as long as covid started and Italy shut its borders followed by all the other European countries.
There’s not not much more border control than literally just closing your border.
TBH the Tories literally had 15 years to sort the border out and I’m pretty sure in all that time no-one (well the first ten years )literally mentioned leaving the ECHR until Farage and Reform started banging on about it as part of their new grift.
Still I’m sure giving the government full control of your human rights will end well, it’s not like looking at how authoritarian the current labour government are gives any worry to giving even more power to Westminster 🙂
Russell Findley ( scottish tory leader) talking absolute nonsense about this
He’s utterly irrelevant (and an utter ****), little more than a pebble sized doorstop holding a barn door in a storm
These morons have learnt absolutely nothing. Leaving the ECHR would be exactly the same nonsense as Brexit. The casual 'oh yeah, we'll just leave the EU, it'll be easy'
Its just like ignoring Gibraltar,literally took 5 years and
As part of the agreement, the parties agreed that there will eventually be a customs union between the EU and Gibraltar, and will strive for strong cooperation between the respective customs authorities and removing checks on goods. There is also agreement on the principles of indirect taxation to be applied in Gibraltar, including on tobacco – that will avoid distortions and contribute to the prosperity of the whole region.
I can't see too many people, other than the truly hard-of-thinking, having much appetite for that
Perhaps, but since that description aptly, if a little generously, describes a huge percentage of the UK population..... That's probably where we'll end up.
Politicians both sides of the Atlantic have cottoned on to weaponising stupidity.
The biggest irony is we dont need to leave the ECHR to tighten up our immigration controls if that was what we wanted to do. Plenty of other countries have done.
This is worth reading....skewers her weird perspectives
https://thecritic.co.uk/if-somethings-not-working-you-should-stop-it/
The biggest irony is we dont need to leave the ECHR to tighten up our immigration controls if that was what we wanted to do. Plenty of other countries have done.
It’s almost like they’re using immigration as an excuse to remove a huge raft of everyone’s civil rights and any recourse to an external independent legal framework, over which they have no control?
But they wouldn’t be that cynical, would they? That all sounds a bit dictatory?
The biggest irony is we dont need to leave the ECHR to tighten up our immigration controls if that was what we wanted to do.
Yup, precisely. Sir Keir Starmer doesn't believe that it is necessary for the UK to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights.
The renowned "human rights lawyer" believes that the UK can still remain in the ECHR whilst also ignoring that stuff about prohibiting torture and degrading treatment which apparently bothers Kemi Badenoch :
Speaking to the BBC, Sir Keir said he did not wish to “tear down” human rights protections but insisted that UK courts needed to “look again” at the way Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) – which prohibits torture and degrading treatment – is applied
So what do the hard-of-thinking middle-class liberals think of that.....is it a good idea that Sir Keir Starmer should meet Kemi Badenoch halfway and suggest simply ignoring the awkward human rights stuff in the convention on human rights which they don't like?
According to the link above another leading human rights lawyer, Shami Chakrabarti, doesn't agree, or even see the problem which both Sir Keir Starmer and Kemi Badenoch appear to have identified.
Although to be fair Shami Chakrabarti doesn't have a vested interest in dog whistling like Starmer and Badenoch have. So there's that.
Badenoch will have to do a bit better than cutnpaste MAGA policies shes got her version of ICE ready to get deporting!- Reform have already got that line sewn up
is Jenrick just waiting for the conference to end to do his next leadership contest publicity stunt?
its exactly 1 month before her protected period is up and the letters can start hitting the 1922 cmtee inbox
Countdown for leadership challenge is on at Tory head office. Gone by Christmas.
She's got the chippy, insufferable air of a school prefect. One who had to beg to be made a prefect (everyone else resisted because they knew what she'd be like). But now she is a prefect none of that matters to her.
I bet she's emptied plenty of rooms by walking into them.
Summed up better than I could, and I can think of a few things she’d be better off employed doing than emptying rooms…
The truth is, the reason for the excessive hatred she receives, both on here and in the media is because she has made a stand against identity politics and the BBC, Guardian and the like have been completely captured by filth columnists.
‘filth columnists’? Shirley shome mishtake? But anyway, ‘fifth columnists’? Seriously? You sound like something out of a cheap spy novel. Really. *rolls eyes*
"Conservatives to set out plan for £47bn of cuts to public spending"
I think we can all agree that exactly what the country needs right now. Another heavy dose of austerity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzv9j78dyo
TBH I’d not heard about this little Brexit cracker until recently 🙂
https://thecritic.co.uk/explaining-the-boriswave/
another weird part of Brexit actually doing the opposite of what it was proposing.
Its literally the grift that keeps on grifting, it’s creating problems that didn’t need to exist so the government of the day doesn’t have to bother with the other important issues of Cost of living,doctor/dentist appointments etc and now the whole needing of leaving the ECHR.
Thats problebly the next decade tied up in non-work trying to sorting out the mess of leaving the ECHR on top of the Farage Boats and the Boris wave.
^^ Did you post the right link there? I've read most of it and it comes across as more of a Reform UK flyer than anything?
It might have turned it around in the last paragraph or two but I'd stopped reading by then.
In fact, it was set up by people that were in the ERG etc.
If the i is right and theres 12 Jenrick supportes ready to send letters
then she's surely toast as with so few MPs they only need 18! to force a leadership challenge
I think they’ll let her take the rap for appalling local election results in May first, before they hoof her out.
The thing is that Honest Bob is even more of a Farage tribute than she is, so it’s difficult to see yet another leader improving their fortunes much
The thing is that Honest Bob is even more of a Farage tribute than she is
There is the difference she seems to believe in what she says. Honest bob on the other hand has reinvented himself multiple times so will go wherever the crowd leads him.
Very true. If it suited his personal agenda he’d be at a Greenpeace rally next week, protesting about climate change.
Some polling of Tory members from YouGov
Surely everyone except Kemi Badanoch, who’s monumental arrogance means she simply cannot countenance such things, knows that she’s on borrowed time already?
There's absolutely no chance she’ll be Tory leader at the next election. Given their track record, they can probably squeeze another 2 or 3 in before then.
Just watching channel 4 news showing Mel Stride (who is apparently shadow chancellor- who knew?) telling a completely empty hall that they are ‘the party of the future’
Somebody better check there’s still anyone at the 1922 Committee to read all these letters. Probably all dead, retired or ****ed off to Reform.
They needed someone to fill a gap while they were out of favour. Who better than a woman so they can show they're not sexist or racist? That she's utterly unhinged and seems to have no redeeming personality is just a bonus. Just means she's easy to move aside when the time's right for the next big thing to move into the space.
They're just biding their time.
Badenoch defending Jenrick's comments about not enough white faces in Handsworth, is not surprising, they are aiming for people that 100% agree and are getting bolder about saying racist stuff.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy85zlpwne6o
Yeah hes doubling down on it too
Avery deliberate call to get the tommy Robinson fans onside https://bsky.app/profile/bestforbritain.org/post/3m2lqc3tsak2g
Personally, I think attacking them for being racist is just going to make more people vote reform or conservative.
This is just falling into the trap of more culture war stuff, whilst all the bigger problems of cost of living, stagnating wages, terrible public services, growing wealth inequality get worse.
Honest Bob just continuing with his Faragist leadership bid.
He's about to give his speech, where I expect he’ll go full Tommy Robinson
If anyine even turns up, lots of pictures of empty conference halls, if you took out the journalists who are paid to be there , how many would actually be there?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cly6kk17v72o