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Badenoch described the move as "yet another cowardly decision after giving away the Chagos Islands".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7n1gy94evo
Even as a right wing attack dog she's awful, out of touch and unhinged. It's almost like they've forgotten that their culture war is not wanted by most people
Now she's leader I'm totally convinced there's zero chance of her being Tory leader for the next GE.
She's got the chippy, insufferable air of a school prefect. One who had to beg to be made a prefect (everyone else resisted because they knew what she'd be like). But now she is a prefect none of that matters to her.
I bet she's emptied plenty of rooms by walking into them.
Even she’s knows that ^^. She merely the entre to Farage.
She has the air of a spoiled bratish teenager, who nobody likes because of her behaviour, but rather than look at herself just labels everyone else as jealous haters.
Before she was elected as leader, I thought she might disrupt Starmer with her outlandish proclamations made with total belief and self perceived authority. But the extra focus has just revealed what an absolute... I am struggling for the right word, can we use truss as a verb now, that would seem appropriate.
But the extra focus has just revealed what an absolute… I am struggling for the right word, can we use truss as a verb now, that would seem appropriate
I think that was technically a noun....
can we use truss as a verb now
I think you mean noun. But a Trussing Arsehole does have a good ring to it.
She’s like a petulant toddler who’s never heard the word no. She takes absolutely everything as a personal affront which must be avenged with extreme malice. She could start a fight in an empty room
Shes horrifically arrogant, obnoxious and condescending even by the standards of the modern Tory party. The problem with that is that she’s also about 10% as clever as she thinks she is
Shes an absolute gift to the Labour Party. She’s the Tory Jeremy Corbyn. I hope she also gets to lose two elections. She’s absolutely zero chance of winning one.
Given her woeful performance so far - Starmer just swots her aside at PMQ’s - and her parties appetite for replacing leaders every 5 minutes, I’d say she’s on borrowed time already
I think you mean noun
Good point, I really trussed that up!
The division of the money seems to be at odds with her portrayal of the band.
The division of the money seems to be at odds with her portrayal of the band.
It’s almost like they’re misunderstood artists running circles around poor Kemi.
“*****, ag cur amú mo chuid ama!”
She merely the entre to Farage
'appetizer'. Entrée is the main course.
Entrée is the main course
Only in the USA
She'll be lucky to last more than a couple of years as she's got no real understanding of British culture as she didn't grow up here, so doesn't appear to be able to effectively use culture wars bullshit. Getting petulant about an Irish GLC isn't going to resonate.
she’s got no real understanding of British culture as she didn’t grow up here,
Er, I know plenty of people who didn't 'grow up' here who umnderstand British culture fairly well, some of them even eat baked beans.
Good point, I really trussed that up!
Chapeau
Hi Binners,
Your excessive dislike (hatred even?) for Badenock leads me to believe that she is anything but a gift to Labour.
It's the Tory party, so anything could happen but the bookies still have her as a slight favourite to be the next Prime Minister and the result in the US will have done her prospects no harm.
The truth is, the reason for the excessive hatred she receives, both on here and in the media is because she has made a stand against identity politics and the BBC, Guardian and the like have been completely captured by filth columnists.
All the negativity towards her could eventually work in her favour, just like it did for Trump and with the tectonic shifts in political allegiances taking place, Labour could be just as vulnerable to Reform as the Tories by the time of the next GE
If she keeps the Conservatives ahead of Labour in the polls she'll remain leader, and if she can do that then she'll be the next Prime Minister, just as the bookies suggest.
What does your missus reckon? As I recall, she's tends to have better luck (or juudgement) than you when it comes to placing a bet.
But carry on as you were, I quite enjoy your Marina Hyde fan fiction!
she has made a stand against identity politics
I’m not convinced. This particular story looks like identity politics and virtue signalling to me: wanting to throw away money on an unlikely legal defence for the sake of ragging on a pop group from a minority community and showing them to be “beyond the pale” for her to her (geographically) British electorate.
Strategically I think it’s a poor choice too: the Conservatives didn’t lose this year because they weren’t trusted or believed on jingoism, and focusing her efforts there is only going to hand control of the narrative to Farage for 2029. I could well be wrong, but I think what she’s doing has generally returned very poor results for traditional centre-right parties across Europe over the last decade or two.
Your excessive dislike (hatred even?) for Badenock leads me to believe that she is anything but a gift to Labour.
I dislike her because she seems like an utterly vile human being, with no redeeming features whatsoever. She makes Suella Braverman look like a well-rounded and moderate centrist
What does your missus reckon? As I recall, she’s tends to have better luck (or juudgement) than you when it comes to placing a bet.
If I was going to put money on anything it would be that Kemi Badanoch will not be the Tory leader by the time the next election comes round. It’s 4 and a half years away. That’s an absolute eternity in Tory leadershipland
I dislike her because she seems like an utterly vile human being, with no redeeming features whatsoever.
I could have sworn that it was because of her politics.
So which Tory leader would you have preferred?
Oh, I’m delighted that she’s Tory leader. She’s absolutely hopeless. But given the other option was Honest Bob, the Labour Party couldn’t really lose
Who knows who the next one will be? Helen Whatelys big toe with a smiley face drawn on it?
Er, I know plenty of people who didn’t ‘grow up’ here who umnderstand British culture fairly well, some of them even eat baked beans.
Do they have the ability to do culture wars shite? Unlike America ours appears to need more nuance so a Nigerian noticeably seems to miss the mark.
The truth is, the reason for the excessive hatred she receives, both on here and in the media is because she has made a stand against identity politics and the BBC, Guardian and the like have been completely captured by filth columnists.
Nah, if my 69yr old mum can come out and say needs a slap then I figure it’s coz she’s a right ****
They do call themselves the Conservative and Unionist Party so its hardly surprising they're trying to kneecap kneecap. Can't see it losing them many votes though..
Kneecap were taking the piss when they made the application and they knew it. It's not much of a story really, more a case of silly games than a culture war.
One thing is for sure, Badenock is going to go to war with the media, straight out of Donald Trumps 'fake News' playbook.
The media's biggest problem with her is that she didnt go to Oxford or an Ivy League. I've watched the sneery contempt with which the Emily Matlis's and Lewis Goodals of The News Agents talk about her, over 90 percent of political journalists are Oxbridge groomed, as have been nearly all of our party leaders. Badenock is an outsider and they hate that.
It's a battle that Badenock will relish. I watched The News Agents U.S. election podcast, along with The Rest is Politics and their predictions and observations were so wide of he mark and so utterly out of touch it was embarrassing. They are playing into Badenock's hands and they will lose, like they are already losing subscribers.
Legacy media is dying on its arse, the conversation has moved elsewhere and in four and a bit years time the media landscape will be unrecognizable.
I digress, but it was stated on here so many times that she'd never win the nomination for leader because of "the racist tory party membership"
How did that one work out? What we want to happen, or to be the case is not necessarily what will happen, or will be the case, althoigh we could carry on calling everyone we don't agree with a biggot, fascist or something-phobe etc.... that might work?
With all the threads on here about coffee grinders etc you'd think some of us would be able to smell it...
The main problem she has is the same as the one Rishi had. If you’re courting the right, which she enthusiastically is, then you’ve got competition, namely the man-frog.
So if you’re that way inclined then why would you vote for caffeine-free diet lunacy when you can get full fat with Reform?
She can be as nasty as intolerant as she likes, which she clearly relishes, but you’re always going to be easily out-nastied by Farage. And in doing so, then you’re also simultaneously alienating the people who used to vote Tory but aren’t raging racists, who delivered so many seats to the Lib Dems at the last election
I dislike her because she seems like an utterly vile human being, with no redeeming features whatsoever.
Trump is similar but we know what happened there. Just because you don't like her and what she is selling doesn't mean enough people who are fed up with Labour's doom and gloom and inaction (as stated by Badenoch/ media etc,.) won't go along with her and her bullshit.
If you’re courting the right, which she enthusiastically is, then you’ve got competition, namely the man-frog.
There's a solution to that - which is said man-frog's endgame. But Badenoch won't be leader in that scenario.
She’s like a petulant toddler who’s never heard the word no. She takes absolutely everything as a personal affront which must be avenged with extreme malice. She could start a fight in an empty room
Shes horrifically arrogant, obnoxious and condescending even by the standards of the modern Tory party. The problem with that is that she’s also about 10% as clever as she thinks she is
But has anyone figured out what her forum name is?
"But has anyone figured out what her forum name is?"
We'll be here all day trying to work that one out... I remember A.A. Gill coining the phrase "They epitomize what they despise"
It was Jenrick who was "courting the right". Badenoch isn't courting the right, she is the right. She has been 'obnoxiously' consistent in her politics, her offer is old school Conservativism and always has been.
I think this is just one of the ways that you are getting it wrong binners, Its not a race to the right between the Tories and Reform anymore, it's a race to see who can represent traditional Conservative values.
Farage would rather any of the other contenders won the Tory leadership contest because he wants to claim the traditional Conservative crown for himself, Badenocks appointment to the party leadership helps to frame him as the far right choice.
Labour should concentrate on where they are likely to haemorage votes over the next 4 years. They think the youth vote is in their pocket but Gen Z are not the Milenials, gròmed by Corbyn. They are shifting rightward and are as sick of identity politics as the old folks, perhaps more so because it has impacted them more than the rest of us through their schooling.
Disagree if you like but it is what just happened over the pond, voters under 28 of both sexes shifted considerably towards the Republicans and the Democrats hadn't a clue that that was aboit to happen.
Likewise with black voters. Half of the UK's black population is of African descent and have no traditional ties to the Labour party. Who do you think they are going to vote for? There's a good chance they won't do what they are told.
Reform have taken as many Tory votes as were on the table and will have to look left if they want to grow and that will mean cleaving towards more socialist economic policies, which will give the Tories a different angle to attack Reform, perhaps by portraying them as Socialist Nationalists?
The Lib Dems will lose half their seats at the next election. The Conservative voters who voted Lib Dem at the last election did so out of fatigue. They are still Conservative in the main.
Was it?
Only noticeably by one person as far as I am aware. He did keep claiming that given a choice the Tory membership would never ever vote for a black/non-white leader, whatever Tory MPs preferences might be.
Obviously that turned out to be completely untrue but the important point is that there is a lack of understanding of the mindset of a typical Tory voter and ordinary party member.
It is easy and simple to claim that racism is the root cause of reactionary right-wing attitudes but the reality is a bit more complex than that. And it is this lack of understanding by the chattering classes both in Europe and the United States which has benefited the far-right so much.
On yes, by binners and others on many occasions.
I only know of one person who claimed to be 100% certain that the Tory membership would never vote for a non-white leader but he is not currently posting (I don't like making a critical comment about someone when they aren't in a position to speak for themselves)
I was pretty convinced they would never vote for her.
How wrong I was.
Yes, let’s not forget that she was never meant to be in that final ballot.
The only reason she was is because of Tory MP’s trying to be too clever and ‘lending’ their votes to candidates. Except they ****ed up and got their maths wrong. Hardly surprising given it was Grant Shapps who was organising it. It was all engineered to be a run off between Honest Bob and Jimmy Dimly. Kemi was never meant to have been anywhere near the final 2, because the membership would vote for her just like they voted for Truss, when the MPs wanted Rishi.
This is why she won’t be leader by the next election, because the MPs never wanted her in the first place, but ended up with her due to their own incompetence. Quite fitting really
I don’t think there is anything remotely old-school Tory in her politics.
Not often me and thee agree on things @ransos, but me neither. When I think of 'Old School' Tory I think of what Thatcher referred to as the 'wets'. Your John Majors and more laterly, say, the likes of David Gauke. One Nation Tories.
They simply don't exist any more since the takeover of the party by the Brexit headbangers and the few remaining ones were purged by Johnson when he became leader. Since then we've just watched the total Faragisation of the party and Badanoch is the very living embodiement of that. A populist, right-wing nationalist, rabid Brexiteer and obsessive culture warrior. The fact she's a woman of colour is neither here nor there. Totally irrelevent.
The Lib Dems will lose half their seats at the next election. The Conservative voters who voted Lib Dem at the last election did so out of fatigue. They are still Conservative in the main.
The Lib Dems have gleefully hoovered up the votes of those former, more socially liberal Tory voters who are now apalled by the 'pull us out of the ECHR' mob. As long as the Tory party carries on on its present trajectory, those voters ain't coming back.
which will give the Tories a different angle to attack Reform, perhaps by portraying them as Socialist Nationalists?
As opposed to national socialists? Good luck with that given that one of their main policies is completely privatising the NHS and forcing everyone to have private medical insurance in order to massively slash the taxes paid by the kind of people who fund the private company that is Reform. Not very socialist that, really.
I do agree with you on a few things though @inkster . Especially applicable to Badanoch is just how rabidly anti-immigrant some 2nd and 3rd generation children of immigrants are. Kemi only came here aged 16, didn't she? They want that ladder pulled up behind themselves and will happily vote for that. The Tory party is full of them (Sunak, Patel, Braverman etc) and they represent a big chunk of voters. If labour assumes that the BAME voters are going to default to labour they should look across the Atlantic and see where that got the Democrats. Given the noises coming out of Starmer this week though, it looks like they're not planning on making that mistake though. How genuine that is remains open to question.
No I don't agreè with you binners, I never suggested she was rabidly anything.
She pitches herself as a right wing, big C, Conservative in the Thatcher mould, I would never describe her as a wet.
Still, I told you a while back she would win the Leadership and that happened didn t it?
Fair point about Reform, Farage would love to turn us into a mini Russia but at the moment he is just picking up the old BNP vote and the disaffected. They have no plan and will end up offering all things to all people in their efforts to expand, right - left but never centre.
Yes, let’s not forget that she was never meant to be in that final ballot.
The only reason she was is because of Tory MP’s trying to be too clever and ‘lending’ their votes to candidates. Except they ****ed up and got their maths wrong. Hardly surprising given it was Grant Shapps who was organising it. It was all engineered to be a run off between Honest Bob and Jimmy Dimly. Kemi was never meant to have been anywhere near the final 2, because the membership would vote for her just like they voted for Truss, when the MPs wanted Rishi.
This is why she won’t be leader by the next election, because the MPs never wanted her in the first place, but ended up with her due to their own incompetence. Quite fitting really
Sounds familiar ?
Sounds familiar ?
Indeed. It seems both parties have now become the victim to the laws of unintended consequences when voting for leaders. Heres hoping the Tory's latest electoral faux pas is as successful as the Corbyn wilderness years were for Labour. I suspect they won't be, as they're a lot more volatile and brutal when it comes to unseating their leaders. I can't see them ever being daft enough to let someone lose two consecutive elections