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Unfortunately I suspect there will be a higher turn out for the incoming leader of the Tories versus the outgoing one.
Honest Bob just continuing with his Faragist leadership bid.
He's about to give his speech, where I expect he’ll go full Tommy Robinson
Pretty good prediction plus politically appointed judges
Yeah, hitting out at Judges big time… here we go again… it’s “will of the people” versus a fair legal process for actual real people.
yeah he was always going to have to go maximum controversy to try and claw back from reform.
Its going to be a grim battle to put MAGA each other between Reform & Tories.
what difference will it make though for the tories (other than shifting the overton window further right) I still can't see them getting anything other than smashed in the locals?
He's greedy for the power, but it would make more sense for him to wait until after them to step over Badenochs withered remains after May .
on balance i think he will make his move now , otherwise he's peaking too soon.
When will these idiots realise you don't appease or mimic the likes of Reform, you stand up & oppose them.
They will always push whatever concession you give them further.
According to the article I read half of all tory MPs think an alliance or even a merger with reform is a good idea.
I think you need to understand the populist vote and demographics of the vote. Then you have more of an idea of the problems in the UK and who votes for what. All I can say is that I feel sorry for the younger generation ;-(
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51474-what-is-attracting-24-of-britons-to-reform-uk
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How ****ing thick does that prick need to be...**** me sideways, I am sure most people in Handsworth would love to move out to the home counties (or failing that Clent and Belbroughton) but there's a reason the poor people live there and not other places.
Also... he was lying... he spoke to white people on the streets of Handsworth... many of them.
Not sure how many times today I’ve read a headline or byline starting ‘Robert Jenrick says…’ but that’s ad far as I’ve got Every. Single. Time.
What an objectionable prick.
If it was the local people he was speaking to he should have seen roughly 12% white faces. I can see how this would lead to problems with integration, it’s going to be pretty difficult to integrate with the natives when there’s very few of them around.
This is just falling into the trap of more culture war stuff, whilst all the bigger problems of cost of living, stagnating wages, terrible public services, growing wealth inequality get worse.
A fair point - it's a fine line between pushing back against culture war bollocks and ending up as one of the foot soldiers, even if we believe we are on the correct side of history
Yeah, but we have two choices (both of which work for these hate mongers):
1 : Don’t call out the lies. Don’t call out the racism. The lies become accepted as if true, or no one cares if they are true or not. The racism becomes further normalised.
2 : Call out the lies. Point out the racism. This brings attention to the lies as the hate mongers want, and puts you into the “extremist” box as racism becomes mainstream.
Jenrick is not telling the truth. He wants to draw a line between white people and “others”. How do we counter him without amplifying him and driving people towards him?
What is Jenrick’s point that he’s making with these lies:
“These people won’t integrate… look, they’ve lived here for generations but are still black.”
or
“These people are all the same, and all unlike you, because they’re black.”
Would he go into an area which have been mostly white populated for… ever… and complain about people that live where their parents grew up, where their grandparents lived? Would he say they were refusing to integrate by not moving elsewhere?
According to the article I read half of all tory MPs think an alliance or even a merger with reform is a good idea.
They're all bloody defecting there!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg9yg3933mo
OK that's councillors rather than MPs but still... Also amusing how Reform spent years sniping at the Conservatives from the sidelines and are now welcoming all the Tories straight to their ranks.
culture war bollocks
TBH probably the greatest time to be a politician, none of that having to sort out real issues just bang on about whatever culture war bollocks is de rigour.
I do wonder how many more years they can string it out, whilst applying more austerity.
According to the article I read half of all tory MPs think an alliance or even a merger with reform is a good idea.
Is it Reform policy to abolish our drink-drive laws?
You can see where its heading you only have to look at the military being deployed on the streets of America to see whats coming
Jenrick is obviously balls deep in the online maga world , amd you only have to look at our own bilabong up there to see that hes giving the racists exactly what they want
We've always known its coming, but its still grim to see
Has anyone ever actually seen anyone wearing a full burka in the UK? I lived in a predominantly Asian/Muslim area for years and I haven’t
Yes. Next question.
She doesn’t specify which particular shared values? Genocide? Starving people to death? Bombing hospitals?
Ethnic cleansing of an entire population in order to allow settlers to occupy the land.
We have form in that sort of behaviour, to be fair. 🤷🏼♂️
Has anyone ever actually seen anyone wearing a full burka in the UK? I lived in a predominantly Asian/Muslim area for years and I haven’t
Yes. Next question.
Well I guess that the next obvious question is are you absolutely certain that you know what a full burka actually means?
On Saturday I will be attending a demo which is likely to have the highest concentration of Muslim women in public, and in one place, in the UK, I don't expect to see one single woman in a full burka.
But anyway even if in the extraordinarily unlikely event that I do see a woman in a full burka I think we can safely say that it is extremely rare and not actually representative of the reality of life in the UK.
Which I believe was binners point.
But anyway even if in the extraordinarily unlikely event that I do see a woman in a full burka I think we can safely say that it is extremely rare and not actually representative of the reality of life in the UK.
I'm lost to what the point of this ever was - yes, women in a full burka is rare, but i have seen a few in Derby. The two facts are not mutually exclusive.
I'm lost to what the point of this ever was
Did you try to go back through the thread to find out?
If you haven't been following the thread Sandwich brought up this point :
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/08/kemi-badenoch-women-burqas-constituency-surgery
In response binners claimed that despite living in a predominantly Muslim area he had never seen a woman wearing a full burka there, the inference being that Kemi Badenoch was referring to a non-existent situation.
A discussion ensued in which it would appear that some people, including probably Kemi Badenoch, confuse the niqab with the burka. I agree with binners, the only time I can recall ever seeing women in burkas has been in North Africa, despite the presence of a very large Muslim community in the north of Croydon. On Friday I came out of Mayday hospital just as Muslim worshippers were pouring out of the very large mosque directly opposite, I didn't see a single burka
The issue of women wearing burkas is regularly brought up those such as Badenoch and Farage who want to whip up islamophobia for political ends. I am sure that you must have noticed.
CZ decided to revive the discussion by claiming that like Badenoch, and you apparently, he's sees women in burkas. HTH
Today’s speech should be interesting in probably only one respect - to see how far to the right the Tories personal Overton window has moved in just a few months.
I suspect that article from June is going to seem quite quaint and reasonable in comparison to what she’ll have to say today.
After all, she’s competing with Honest Bob and he’s now gone full MAGA with attacks on the judiciary as well as his Tommy Robinson style race-baiting.
Whatever she has to say though, I doubt many people will be listening
It’s okay, she’s going to cut spending, reduce taxes on the rich, roll back worker’s rights, and stop talking about anything negative that happened in Britain’s past.
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"Cheaper beer"... how? Burn more fossil fuel.
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More tax cutting... no more stamp duty on the most expensive homes... someone's going to have to work out how much all these tax cuts will add up to... bearing in mind she's also committing to reducing the deficit.
Some Trans-bashing and chuckle.
Seconds later... "a country where everyone can live in dignity".
Cheaper beer though? Just what the country needs, cheaper poison!
Alcohol free beer is available. And getting better all the time.
Anyway... very Maga... drill baby drill.
More tax cutting... no more stamp duty on the most expensive homes... someone's going to have to work out how much all these tax cuts will add up to... bearing in mind she's also committing to reducing the deficit.
At the risk of supporting a Tory policy, I've long suggested Stamp Duty was a stupid policy. it does generate £15-20BN for th government though...
...I'm not sure Badenoch is planning to copy my proposal - abolish stamp duty and collect capital gains tax on homes! That way you are taxing the beneficiary not the person trying to get on the ladder.
I don't understand why people buy into this.
We're going to save money by cutting services - but I already have to avoid potholes, pay too much for a train & cannot get a doctor's appointment - how is cutting services going to improve that?
We'll abolish stamp duty - it'll help first time buyers - that's great, but what about Robbie Fowler who's buying his 50th house?
There wasn’t a single part of that speech that couldn’t have come straight of the cavernous gob of Nigel Farage. Some of it sounded just like it could be just as easily voiced by Tommy Robinson
And just like Farage, the sums just don’t add up. Massive tax cuts, reducing the deficit, yet somehow we’re all going to be better off, with better public services? How is that going to work then Kemi?
First time buyers already get a big tax break as regards stamp duty...
If you’re buying your first home
You can claim a discount (relief) if the property you buy is your first home. You’re eligible if you and anyone else you’re buying with are first-time buyers.
You’ll pay:
- no SDLT up to £300,000
- 5% SDLT on the portion from £300,001 to £500,000
I don't understand why people buy into this.
From a cursory glance at her proposals, I'm not sure even many Tories will be buying into them.
Sounds good on paper but cutting stamp duty just results in higher house prices, so the only people who actually gain are already property owners.
There wasn’t a single part of that speech that couldn’t have come straight of the cavernous gob of Nigel Farage. Some of it sounded just like it could be just as easily voiced by Tommy Robinson
To fair to Kemi Badenoch a lot of high profile politicians in the UK are now trying to sound like Nigel Farage and the far-right.
It is not a tactic which is unique to Badenoch.
The prime minister has been accused of using the language of the far-right as he set out plans to "take back control" of immigration
The prime minister has been accused of using the language of the far-right as he set out plans to "take back control" of immigration
Are we finally admitting that Brexit is part of the far-right project?
Should resonate well with the average potential tory voter then! Even more so with the average party conference attendee. You didn't think she was actually trying to solve the housing crisis did you?Sounds good on paper but cutting stamp duty just results in higher house prices, so the only people who actually gain are already property owners.
Are we finally admitting that Brexit is part of the far-right project?
I don't know what Sir Keir Starmer was admitting to but according to the article he was using "the language of the far-right".
Come on, you’re nearly there Ernie, if talk of “taking back control” of immigration is the language of the far right, yet also the language of people who were pushing for Brexit, and those now promising to deliver on Brexit… was Brexit a far-right project?
Well her speech seems to have been received better than T May P45 one went down
but i cant see her lasting beyond the locals , it's hardly a coup if everyone knows its coming , its just about timing
if talk of “taking back control” of immigration is the language of the far right, yet also the language of people who were pushing for Brexit
I have never heard anyone on the Left use language like that, whatever their position on EU, only the far-right.
And now also obviously Sir Keir Starmer someone well-known for being pro-EU.
Indeed many EU governments are now using the language of the far-right with regards to "taking back control” of immigration. Their attitude towards EU membership doesn't seem to come into it.
Kemi Badenoch is simply mimicking Nigel Farage for exactly the same reason as Sir Keir Starmer is attempting to.