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*Only* 30pts
Undoubtedly exaggerated and not likely to be repeated in a general election but nevertheless fantastic news for Labour, as even with a massive margin of error it still points to a very comfortable general election victory for Labour, were it to be held now.
However surprisingly recent opinion polls are not very good news for the LibDems. They suggest that the LibDems would struggle to match the support which they received last general election, which was half of what it was before Nick Clegg shafted them.
Great news for the Green Party though, all the polls consistently show them recieving far more support than in any previous general election.
And if the polls before the next general election predict a Labour landslide the Greens are likely to benefit further as the threat of a possible Tory victory diminishes.
In 6 weeks time when that report comes out 120,000 people will have been forced to sign up for mortgages they cant afford, or be homeless. Time itself will not make this better.
Some of those made homeless will be NHS staff, carers and volunteers who are already covering up the shit this Government has made. This won't look any better in 6 weeks, it's death by a thousand cuts, again.
I get that people have got used to low interest rates and have planned with only this in mind but to increase as it has is an absolute wrecking ball, and why the BoE increase at the minimum to give people time to adjust.
I have heard one Tory supporter state that all these polls where taken at the Labour conf...
I get that people have got used to low interest rates and have planned with only this in mind but to increase as it has is an absolute wrecking ball, and why the BoE increase at the minimum to give people time to adjust.
Then we'd have even more inflation.
The vote actually went;
0.25% rise : 1
0.5% rise : 5
0.75% rise : 3
So this was already the compromise. The only way they could raise them slower and not make things worse would be with a time machine.
Then we’d have even more inflation.
The vote actually went;
0.25% rise : 1
0.5% rise : 5
0.75% rise : 3So this was already the compromise. The only way they could raise them slower and not make things worse would be with a time machine.
Ah right, I had one eye in it only as my fixed runs out mid next year, I thought they'd gone up at .25% stints to get to .75% not in those increments themselves as you say, but still they were doing the best they could to give people time to adjust while trying to keep inflation in check.
Interesting opinion piece from FT
"We are now watching the real-time implosion of the governing party. It’s going to be a hell of a show, though sadly the tickets will prove expensive".
Ah right, I had one eye in it only as my fixed runs out mid next year, I thought they’d gone up at .25% stints to get to .75% not in those increments themselves as you say, but still they were doing the best they could to give people time to adjust while trying to keep inflation in check.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's another 0.5% next time though. They'll need to do something to slow down the pounds devaluation.
Back of a fag packet maths for someone earning £30k with a 200k/20year mortgage a further 1% interest rate rise from 4% to 5% would cost about £100/month. 10% inflation (i.e. from here to parity with the dollar) costs £250. So while it might hurt A LOT in the short term I'd rather they stopped the slide now than let things get worse.
A lot has happened since… but at one point we were discussing Truss’ efforts to get a trade deal with India (to show something she can claim as a Brexit benefit now that she has destroyed any chance of a USA deal in the near term with her posturing over NI in order to become party leader) and were talking about rumours as regards what she might do now she’s PM to make that happen. Talk was of a November deal from those briefing for her. Anyway…
https://twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/status/1575861611096854528?s=21
Ironic given Tata's involvement in UK steel production for a long time before deciding it wasn't profitable.
grahamt1980
Honestly i don’t think they were expecting any of it, and I’m also not convinced that truss or kamikwazi actually care about the damage they are causing, only in some abstract way which means they might have challenges in their quest to destroy the welfare state and government services
Honestly i don’t think they were expecting any of it
Neither of them are that stupid... the economics part is the equivalent of sticking your tongue into the mains plug and being surprised. The only people who could claim differently are also looking for Elvis on the moon and convinced the earth is flat or running Turkey's economy.
I’m also not convinced that truss or kamikwazi actually care about the damage they are causing, only in some abstract way which means they might have challenges in their quest to destroy the welfare state and government services
A bit of Occam's razor here... Has Truss deeply held political beliefs that just happen to do 180's (totally coincidentally to do with her career) OR she just doesn't give a toss, has no morals or political beliefs?
Look at Brexit.. she's totally on one side then the other whichever was expedient at the time.
Pretty much sums up her entire political career.
which means they might have challenges in their quest to destroy the welfare state and government services
I don't think she ever had any illusions about being in place long enough to do either of those. IMHO she's not stupid enough to think she'd survive long enough as PM to play the slow game so if you accept she simply has no morals or political beliefs she's just in it for what she can make.
Equally assuming the same why would she care about destroying the welfare state and government services unless she can personally benefit from it?
My oh my
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1575874214170484737?t=pmoKN6VuI5noNUxkaQ1PRQ&s=19
wonder what crazy policy she'll go for as a distraction ?
wonder what crazy policy she’ll go for as a distraction ?
Don’t worry, right wing bint says it’s all ok
https://twitter.com/bloomberguk/status/1575816600850206721?s=21&t=JkF9lYHclDbHDlmoS49Q0g
Don’t worry, right wing bint says it’s all ok
She's just as bat shit crazy as the rest of them
Don't make excuses. They are all perfectly sane.
Yaaay, we're now to the right of Jair Bolsonaro
https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1575754981449207809?t=rFGy9TqVMMQ_w5SQihVoYA&s=19
Don’t make excuses. They are all perfectly sane.
Depends if you consider psycopaths insane. A matter of much debate. Kwerteng appears to be one
I still think she could be a plant - installed to bring down the Tories from inside.
Let's hope it's quick.
for someone earning £30k with a 200k/20year mortgage
Pardon?
Although I suppose it could be through change in circumstances.
Speeder
Full Member
I still think she could be a plant – installed to bring down the Tories from inside
Like an overdose of Exlax?
Get ready for another big dose of “levelling up” ( ha ! )
https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1575957703964250113?s=21
https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/1575909226903646208?t=sEJQgTLewDVX0f-e7UoJNg&s=19
Why am I not surprised that she read a book on economics and didn't understand anything in it...?!
Get ready for another big dose of “levelling up” ( ha ! )
I’m living on benefits due to spms and unable to walk but if they try and pull this then I’ll be perfectly happy to do something appropriate to ensure my voice is heard
somafunk
Full Member
Get ready for another big dose of “levelling up” ( ha ! )I’m living on benefits due to spms and unable to walk but if they try and pull this then I’ll be perfectly happy to do something appropriate to ensure my voice is heard
I honestly don't think that the country will put up with another wasted decade of austerity. She is definitely going to try it though, 100%. Knowing that, in part, it is to fund the wealthy will likely send a good many over the edge.
Its a reasonable bet that this government will end in mass civil unrest that will make the poll tax riots seems like a garden party.
No, Tory MPs will move to replace Truss before it gets to the point of civil unrest. There is no real commitment to Truss among the majority of Tory MPs. Only 50 had her as their first choice out of a total of 357 Tory MPs.
Agreed.
Its a reasonable bet that this government will end in mass civil unrest that will make the poll tax riots seems like a garden party.
Theresa May's ended with hundreds of thousands in Manchester Birmingham and London, remember what they were protesting? Much changed?
I don't think they will replace her but neither do i see mass civil unresr.
Even in the article Ernie lonked to there were tory mps mps saying they couldn't do so because of how chaotic it would look and where is a sensible candidate coming from?
Edit
I think if they do try to replace her the hard right erg looons will threaten to bote any new candidate down in the HOC and the rest will back off as too many will lose their seats.
Truss is the pinnacle of 2 decades work by the hard right to get their puppet in place and they will not let her be replaced. The will collapse the government first.
I’m living on benefits due to spms and unable to walk but if they try and pull this then I’ll be perfectly happy to do something appropriate to ensure my voice is heard
@somafunk I really hope that statement isn't as dark as I'm taking it to be. If it is please speak to somebody. Easy to say, I know, but you'd be letting those bastards rob you of the one thing they can't just take.
I think Liz should get an award
For the shortest term of prime minister in uk history.
Eventually the dumb electorate will realise the noise is all lies. The torys are not your friends, they pander to the richest whilst doimg their utmost to keep everyone else in a just about ok situation.
Best commentary on Liz Truss so far comes from...... *Checks notes..... Richard Bacon??
https://twitter.com/CentralBylines/status/1575619784976146433?s=20&t=MmDJPpcNYku2mjkzzm4UFQ
Truss is the pinnacle of 2 decades work by the hard right to get their puppet in place
And it lasted 10 minutes before it turned into a bin fire. I winder if there's been any over 1st world country where this sort of extreme economic theory has been imposed?
Why am I not surprised that she read a book on economics and didn’t understand anything in it…?!
Thanks for that link. Despite it being in the Spectator… it’s really worth everyone reading.
Best commentary on Liz Truss so far comes from…… *Checks notes….. Richard Bacon??
Often surprisingly good at this sort of thing.
Mrs Zips mum had a fall in 2014. Ambulance turned up ,they put her in the ambulance and took her to hospital
More falls this year...the ambulance never turns up.
She is a lifelong Tory voter, well she was.
Sorry to hear that about your mum Zippy. Conservatives I know still blame Covid and immigrants for the NHS struggling though. First part has a ring of truth about it… but then who’s been in government since we’ve known about Covid…? It’s not new anymore, and it’s on their watch that all the shrugging about understaffing and burnt out workers has been going on (even more) since then. And as for immigrants… often fall out with my mum about that… she’d never vote Tory, but still falls for that line… sigh… newspapers.
So it turns out that according to Liz Truss Winston Churchill's housing policy when he was PM were just like those of a communist dictator.
https://todayuknews.com/economy/the-housing-crisis-sits-at-the-centre-of-britains-ills/
In October 1950 at the Conservative party annual conference, Winston Churchill declared to a packed hall of delegates: “You’ve demanded that the target we should put in our programme is 300,000 houses a year. I accept it.” The rapturous applause that followed left him unable to finish his thought.......
.......And yet the idea of housing targets, such as those embraced by Churchill, was recently dismissed by Liz Truss, the new prime minister as “Stalinist”.
Liz Truss ...... so right-wing that she thinks Conservative Party policies in 1950 were practically communist.
We know why she dismisses having housing targets…
https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1197507130573512704?s=21
I think the ‘Levelling Up’ Secretary may need to change his job title if he thinks his job description is to inflict yet more austerity on northern constituencies that have already had their public services and council budgets absolutely decimated, while wealthier leafier southern constituencies have got off relatively lightly
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1576089975900307456?s=21&t=4Uuh3040eyJHb0V8gVVQbQ
I’m sure this will go down great in the Red Wall areas with tiny Tory majorities
I’m starting to think that Truss could actually be a Labour plant, in the same way that the Tories got their sleeper cell Jeremy Corbyn in to make Labour unelectable
the Tories got their sleeper cell Jeremy Corbyn in to make Labour unelectable
FFS do you have to drag this same shit onto every political thread at every possible opportunity?
Try to deal with your bizarre obsession with Jeremy Corbyn 💡
We’ve had this discussion before comrade. It’s never me who brings him up
On this occasion it is though, because it’s looking like she is actually the Tory Jeremy Corbyn equivalent.
So completely clueless, possessing not a single shred of political instinct and so electorally repellent to most voters that the opposition simply can’t believe their luck.
Let’s be honest, they must be watching this utter shitshow in Labour central office in absolute disbelief. All their birthdays and Christmases all at once, just like Magic Grandad was for the Tory’s
I bet they can’t bloody wait for hers and Kwasi’s setpiece speeches at conference next week. The two of them will probably proudly announce their plans to abolish the NHS while casually lobbing kittens into a wood chipping machine on stage
On whether Starmer is perusing wallpaper samples…
Can the Tories really ride this out for another two years…sorry, can’t remember exactly when the 5 years are up. I mean, I know with their majority, they technically can, but as it looks like Truss is, if not already toast, then she’s about to be, does the electorate have to take yet another PM based on the PP’s machinations and then the membership? Just asking for what people think really…
Matthew Paris, that famous socialist, wrote an article in that left-wing mouthpiece The Times this morning, which started with the statement ‘She’s finished!’
It then went on to describe how Tory MP’s, pretty much none of whom wanted her as leader in the first place (ahem… sound familiar?) are coming up with any old excuse to avoid attending next weeks conference.
They don’t want anything to do with the present car crash and are terrified of being ambushed by news crews asking them to defend her on camera. Something pretty much everyone apart from John Redwood has managed to avoid doing so far.
To be fair, my MP (Mark Jenkinson) is actually busy tweeting all manner of tory bullshit. I suppose he's loyal if nothing else.
He'll be looking forward to the conference. At this rate the ****er will be in the cabinet (although Truss hasn't actually had to stoop that low yet).
My own 2019 intake Tory MP (James Daly) - a full on right-wing, Brexiteer headbanger - has also been very publicly supportive
Given that he has the smallest majority in the country (100 votes) I presume he’s angling for briefly enjoying a cabinet position before he’s sent packing in 2 years time
Not a peep from my MP Alastair Jack but that’s no surprise, I doubt he’ll make much of an appearance or say anything against Truss/kwasi over the Tory conference as he’s every bit as shit as they are.
Last time he made an appearance in town he was chased from the harbour by the fishermen throwing heavy shackles from the queenie dredges at him as he tried to do a photo opportunity/puff piece regarding fishing opportunities since Brexit. This time they’ve all said if he dares to ever show up again he’s going into the harbour along with his entourage.
It’s never me who brings him up
It always seems to be you who brings him up. You are clearly obsessed with Jeremy Corbyn.
You say "let's be honest" but you are totally disingenuous about the support Labour received under Jeremy Corbyn.
There were two general elections under Corbyn's leadership and even in the one in which Labour had the lower share of the vote, 2019, Labour still managed to get a higher share of the vote than under both Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown.
In 2019 Labour's share of the vote was 32.1%, in 2015 under Ed Miliband Labour received 30.4%, and in 2010 under Gordon Brown 29%.
In terms of total number of votes Labour also did better under Jeremy Corbyn than under either Ed Miliband or Gordon Brown.
In 2019 Labour received 10.27 million votes, in 2015 under Ed Miliband Labour received 9.35 million votes, and in 2010 under Gordon Brown 8.6 million votes.
So more people voted Labour when Corbyn was leader than when either Miliband or Brown were leaders. The fact that the Tories have a huge majority is primarily because of the mechanics of the first past the post system, plus that neither Ed Miliband nor Gordon Brown had to contend with the collapse of the LibDem vote which overnight halved.
I was one of those voters who didn’t vote Labour under Brown and Miliband, but did in 2017 & 2019. Not relevant… but I thought I’d might as well join in with this derailment rather than fight against it… seems increasingly pointless to try.
I get that people have got used to low interest rates and have planned with only this in mind but to increase as it has is an absolute wrecking ball, and why the BoE increase at the minimum to give people time to adjust.
I've been listening to all this "folk should've realised rates could increase" this week and loads of old folk (because they couldn't be young, it was a long time ago) talking about how high the interest rates were when they bought - and they could afford it bollox.
Ordinary folk don't (and can't) play the market, we just buy what we can afford - and what they can afford is based on what they earn and what someone will lend us. No different currently when my kids have bought as when I bought first in 1985 or when my folks first did in 1969.
Interest rates are what they are, and yes you've to make assumptions, but if you make an assumption that your monthly mortgage could double - near enough none of us would be buying first time around.
And when I first bought in 1985, my mortgage was half my take-home - if it'd doubled, the keys would've gone back - no choice.
The Tories have ****ed up again, and like every other time they've ****ed up, they want to blame someone else.
Can the Tories really ride this out for another two years…sorry, can’t remember exactly when the 5 years are up. I mean, I know with their majority, they technically can, but as it looks like Truss is, if not already toast, then she’s about to be, does the electorate have to take yet another PM based on the PP’s machinations and then the membership? Just asking for what people think really…
I think they will. I belive if the sane few left try to replace her truss and her supporters will challenge them to a vote of confidence and they will also threaten to vote down in a vote of confidence any replacement.
Faced with the loss of their seats now or in two years those that want rid of truss will buckle and accept her for the two years
The hard right have worked for 20+ years for this and getting a pliant hard right puppet in no 10 is the final act of a slow motion coup. They will not let go easily when they have almost achieved their goal. I do not believe that more than a handful of tory mps will put the country before their own self interest
A petition to ask for a general election:
https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/128823704/signed
Fun ahead on climate change… (and the constitution)…
https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1576262658403143680?s=21
A petition to ask for a general election:
https://twitter.com/LizTruss_MP/status/1576248011252203520
Fun ahead on climate change… (and the constitution)…
It takes a special kind of stupid to witness temps of 40° this summer and not think the climate emergency isn't a top priority
does the electorate have to take yet another PM based on the PP’s machinations and then the membership? Just asking for what people think really…
I asked pretty much the same thing on one of these threads the other day. Surely there’s a point where it becomes a case of constitutional integrity ( if such a thing exists anymore)to just keep swapping leaders and the different policies that come with them?
It’s never me who brings him up
On this occasion it is though, because it’s looking like she is actually the Tory Jeremy Corbyn equivalent.
You don't bring up Corbyn except for when you bring him up. Gotcha.
Trailmonkey. No constitutional reason why not.
Whats needed is tory mps to act in the interests of the country but fat chance of that. Snouts in th trough andcself interested. None will risk a GE and losing their seats
This made me chuckle
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1576174269012144130?t=1S0_ptMMx9_ku0ue6KhGpw&s=19
It’s never me who brings him up
On this occasion it is though
I don’t think you know what never means.
I asked pretty much the same thing on one of these threads the other day. Surely there’s a point where it becomes a case of constitutional integrity
Nope. Its part of the problem of having a constitution which is a mishmash of various laws and conventions dating back to when the cost of running a state and fighting your inbred relatives got high enough that the commoners had to be given a bit of say in return for taxes.
Its a tricky one though. Since if a new leader did automatically trigger a new election then mps would be far less likely to kick a bad one out since chances are the bad pm would have already put some of the mps jobs at risk.
I think the presidental model separated from the MPs does have something going for it.
Rory Stewart reckons she might have ADHD
Tory MPs are apparently getting threats from the whips to force them to attend their own party conference as they’re all making their excuses
I’m sure they’ll be made to applaud her insane ‘Pork Markets’ style ramblings too.
But this is definitely nothing like Putins Russia
There is a lot of sense in what Rory Stewart is saying there, though I don't agree with all of it. Worth watching too as it's about much more than Lizzy.👍
Something light… saw this clip on Channel4 news… he looked as if he knew that ultimately this is his turf…
https://twitter.com/alexpamnani/status/1576165976143327232?s=21
On Kuenssberg right now - probably should move anything you can throw away from arms reach
It takes a special kind of stupid to witness temps of 40° this summer and not think the climate emergency isn’t a top priority
I’m sure liz and co can rise to that challenge.
Just think of the opportunities in oil,gas and fracking to generate that leccy required for the aircon units we are going to be sold.
Not the car crash I expected (hoped for) - she was quite well drilled and came across 'OK'. But well drilled in avoiding giving any answers or substance. A non-apology - not that the mini-budget was wrong or needs reversing, rather that they should have briefed better beforehand. And clear avoidance of answering anything about cutting spending, matching benefits to inflation, etc. (it'll all be revealed in 6 weeks) which either means they're away finding other means to fund these tax cuts, or the cuts are coming. Or that they don't actually have a plan.
[edit - just read Gove's post interview comments. I wonder is there is a rebellion coming that would force a reversal]
Re the clip outside no10- she looks like Windy Miller waving outside his windmill
I always thought Truss was a little unbalanced but her interview on Tory Kuennsberg's show have proved she's actually a total melt.
Can only be a Labour agent.
Make no mistake, those tax cuts will be paid for by crippling austerity
Its all about removing state aid and wealth redistribution to the very wealthy.
Looks like Gove is setting himself up to lead the rebellion against Truss, clearly wanting too add another political assassination to his CV
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1576495462789644288?s=21&t=cic3mvSq-NbcFADR8DcZJQ
Downing Street has said any MP who voted against Kamikwaai’s insane budget will lose the whip.
Looks like another purge is in the offing, on top of Borises ejection of anyone remotely sane.
The Tory party is just going to be a rump of unhinged, far right, libertarian fruitloops, which I suppose was inevitable given the direction of travel since 2016
The Tory party is just going to be a rump of unhinged, far right, libertarian fruitloops
Which makes them incredibly dangerous to society
But this was always inevitable. What Truss is trying to do was and is the whole point of Brexit. It was a coup by the far right disaster capitalists
These policies were always a case of when, not if. We were always going to end up here, post-Brexit
But it looks like enough people are realising what they were conned into voting for, with a slick and well-funded campaign of misinformation by powerful vested interests
They certainly didn’t vote for this. Nobody did. Well… 81,000 Tory members did, I suppose
What we’re seeing now is the whole thing falling apart under the weight of its own lies, contradictions and fantasy economics
This article by Will Hutton in today’s Observer is bang on
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1576482693969223680?s=21&t=cic3mvSq-NbcFADR8DcZJQ
Was supposed meet up last night with my white-van Brexit voting portion, of my mates to ask them about The Truss but needed to cancel at the last minute. Unfortunately most of them won't be directly affected as they've paid off their mortgages and are bathing in work as their competitors the Polish plumbers have gone home.
Not the car crash I expected (hoped for)
Remind me to never get in a car with you 🙂
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1576495284133060608
It's an absolute shitshow. She's getting an 'explain to me like I'm five' on basic economics... from Laura Kuensberg.
The admission that HER OWN ****ING CABINET were not given advance warning, just by itself, drives the bus off the bridge.