If you’re going to get caught fiddling expenses or watching porn in the house, then by god, you best be wearing a tie whilst doing it!
Im all for it, anything that makes it easier to choke the ****ers is a win in my book
Ties, bringing back ties.
As long as she's going to wear one as well, I'm all for it. If it's only for blokes... forget it.
Watching Theresa May was a reminder that she faced greater opposition from her own party than from across the aisle. That's not a dig at Labour, as both May and Labour actually had the interests of the country in mind at a very testing time.
That she couldn't handle the bunch of lying vandalistic fascists sat behind her is not a dig at her either.
To be fair, why should she know how to curtsy? It’s ridiculous that anyone should curtsy, never mind the PM. There will be plenty to mock her for, but not this imho.
That IS pretty funny, though. 🙂
Well Jeremy Corbyn caused a national scandal which outraged the Nation, or at least the right-wing press, when the terrorist-loving dyed-in-the-wool republican refused to bow before Her Majesty. Despite protocol and convention not requiring him to do so.
So I'm not sure why Liz Truss should get away with her lack of reverence.
https://www.****/news/article-4625262/Corbyn-risks-row-not-bowing-Queen-State-Opening.html
2 soups?
I bet Lizzie is loving being compared to Mrs Overall 😂
To be fair, why should she know how to curtsy? It’s ridiculous that anyone should curtsy, never mind the PM. There will be plenty to mock her for, but not this imho.
I'm 57 and I can remember girls at my junior school being taught to curtsy while we were taught to bow.
I think that might have been just your school or teacher.
Edit: Or was it in relation to the school play?
Well Jeremy Corbyn caused a national scandal which outraged the Nation, or at least the right-wing press, when the terrorist-loving dyed-in-the-wool republican refused to bow before Her Majesty. Despite protocol and convention not requiring him to do so.
So I’m not sure why Liz Truss should get away with her lack of reverence.
Well, I am probably alone in my defending her here, but I defended Corbyn back then and hence I would defend her now.
To be fair, why should she know how to curtsy? It’s ridiculous that anyone should curtsy, never mind the PM.
She had the whole summer to learn! If you're in the running to be PM, then you should factor in that you might have to meet the Queen (now King) at some point...
I think that might have been just your school or teacher
Possibly, although my wife was taught too and she was educated in Newcastle not West Yorkshire.
Well Jeremy Corbyn caused a national scandal which outraged the Nation, or at least the right-wing press, when the terrorist-loving dyed-in-the-wool republican refused to bow before Her Majesty. Despite protocol and convention not requiring him to do so.
So I’m not sure why Liz Truss should get away with her lack of reverence.
She can barely walk properly, but that is not what is required from a PM. Attack her for: suggesting people don’t work hard enough, regional pay, fracking, backing Johnson, …
Well, I am probably alone in my defending her here, but I defended Corbyn
But did you also defend Corbyn when he caused a national scandal for not bowing "deeply enough" at the cenotaph?
But did you also defend Corbyn when he caused a national scandal for not bowing “deeply enough” at the cenotaph?
I’m not sure why you’d need to ask, but yes. In case you’re curious, I defended Michael Foot when he wore a jacket that didn’t meet some people’s standards.
Anyone got a thing for her?
But did you also defend Corbyn when he caused a national scandal for not bowing “deeply enough” at the cenotaph?
It strikes me your problem isnt with Truss but instead with the hard right press and their complete lack of any real respect for the monarchy or other symbols such as memorial day instead just using them as handy weapons as and when.
Best demonstrated by their outrage at Corbyn not doing that claimed deep enough bow but being completely silent when Johnson turning up with a clear hangover looking like a sack of shit
Truss curtsey is just the same. She has better things to be doing with her time than practicing that crap (sadly it doesnt seem she is using her time better but...) so the only reason to care about it is next time the hard right press make a thing about some Labour or other person allegedly failing to curtsey/bow deep enough ask why they didnt get upset this time round.
But did you also defend Corbyn when he caused a national scandal for not bowing “deeply enough” at the cenotaph?
Many of us did. And we also pointed out the double standards in the media about scruffy Johnson.
I don't hate truss as a person but I do hate her for being a figurehead for so much that is destroying society. The fact that she appears to shift her red lines is the worry for me. The government no longer governs for the betterment of the country or the people, just for its own continuence. We are in the situation that we need a government of all sides for the betterment of the country.
strikes me your problem isnt with Truss but ....
Many of us did.
I'm sorry, I thought that I was making it very obvious that I was taking the piss out of the right-wing press when I referred to Jeremy Corbyn as a "terrorist-loving dyed-in-the-wool republican", apparently not.
No I don't have a problem with Liz Truss's curtsy. Nor do I have a problem with Jeremy Corbyn's ability to bow.
And I don't think Corbyn is terrorist- loving, quite the opposite in fact.
Careful now Ernie, they need their targets. Otherwise they might start thinking for themselves, and God knows where that might end 😯
^^ That is actually pretty good!😁
It's like watching a badly animated NPC. Any second now she's going to get stuck on some furniture and then ragdoll physics herself into orbit.
Is this the thread to discuss the idiots in her cabinet?
Anyone else seen Bravermans stupid "zero boats crossing the channel" target and picking a fight with civil servants over home or hybrid working?
Just sheer stpidity but also an example of why I thought the incompetence of these people actually mean that they are less dangerous than a competent person as they will dissapate energy and political capital on nonsense leaving less to do damage with
Sadly we are seeing a trend where the employers are now trying to go back to pre pandemic and having everyone working in the office, typically under the excuse of 'better collaboration' whereas in reality it is because they don't trust their employees but obviously can't say that.
How soon we seem to forget the benefits of home working with improved work life balance, zero commute time but same overall hours worked all because the employers never really liked it.
TJ I read the fight with civil servants over home working as an attempt to promote the notion that it's lazy civil servants causing a failure of basic government services rather than 12 years' of conservative incompetence.
Our family has recently dealings with the DVLA, hmrc and DWP for various things.
6 months for a driving license renewal vs 2 weeks previously
4 months for a tax refund vs 4 week expected
4 months for a disability payment vs 10 week max quoted
It's falling apart and they're shifting blame. Not to mention the NHS etc
It’s falling apart and they’re shifting blame. Not to mention the NHS etc
I think it’s time to stop saying that things are falling apart and acknowledge that things have fallen apart. The NHS is not ‘on its knees’, it is in dire need of CPR!
Get rid of this government and pursue them for wilful harm to the country.
Sadly we are seeing a trend where the employers are now trying to go back to pre pandemic and having everyone working in the office, typically under the excuse of ‘better collaboration’ whereas in reality it is because they don’t trust their employees but obviously can’t say that.
See also the link between ownership of London office property and wealthy Tory types.
It’s falling apart and they’re shifting blame.
And preparing for increased outsourcing opportunities.
Government positions still being announced… grim one for the teachers here…
https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1568974976119627776?s=21
As a teacher, that worries and scares me in equal measure.
6 months for a driving license renewal vs 2 weeks previously
4 months for a tax refund vs 4 week expected
4 months for a disability payment vs 10 week max quoted
Yep, bought a car in February and the log book still has not arrived. Oh, and I rang up about a tax refund I'm owed only to be told my employers have not submitted the required form yet and it was late. Spoke to employers who sent me a copy of the form which had been submitted in June.
As a teacher, that worries and scares me in equal measure.
Yup, there isn't much evidence based on the make up for the current Cabinet that Liz Truss's premiership represents any improvement on Boris Johnson's. In fact all the evidence suggests the complete opposite:
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/mp-jonathan-gullis-says-wont-4641472
And yet some people have welcomed the fact that Truss will be worse than Johnson as apparently this will be good for Labour.
So perhaps we should be celebrating.
And yet some people have welcomed the fact that Truss will be worse than Johnson as apparently this will be good for Labour.
Its all just more of the same with a different PR spokesman. There will be no discernible difference
Interesting fact for the day:
Having 'worked' as PM for 2 days, then dissolved parliament for a period of official mourning for het maj (gaaaawd bless 'er etc etc), its then party conference season, which is still going ahead, so Lizzie won't actually be back in parliament pretending to be PM until October 17th
Do we actually have a government at all, in anything but a sort of weird ceremonial sense?
So when will the details of the energy plan go thru Parliament?
What about help for rural communities who use heating oil/gas and those not on mains water/ sewerage who use extra electric for those?
A lot of retired people are worrying about the above issues
6 months for a driving license renewal vs 2 weeks previously
4 months for a tax refund vs 4 week expected
4 months for a disability payment vs 10 week max quoted
Truss aside .. she certainly has no answers
I think it’s time to stop saying that things are falling apart and acknowledge that things have fallen apart. The NHS is not ‘on its knees’, it is in dire need of CPR!
Get rid of this government and pursue them for wilful harm to the country.
Well we can look back where this started and it's been a slow burn since Thatcher but actually fixing it is going to be another matter and not something is going to happen in a parliamentary term.
Where would you even start? Sack all the middle management created by Thatcher first or throw in some money to start playing catch-up or get rid of KPI's that the staff are so far from being able to hit they don't even try or get rid of the companies set up by mates to take work from public sector?
Even if a different government threw some money at it the money would only be diverted to companies who's sole purpose is to be paid over the top with tax money... if you get rid of them how do you retrain ??
The whole system is so rotten now, it's not a few bad apples ..
There will be no discernible difference
I beg to differ. Quite possibly "no discernible difference" to you binners, but the appointment of an education cabinet minister who was so vehemently opposed to extending free school meals into the school holidays suggests a serious setback for all who support progressive and left-wing welfare policies.
However if it does prove that Truss is no worse than Johnson then presumably that will be a disappointment to you? Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember you as one of the people who was looking forward to a Tory PM even worse than Johnson as it would be great news for Labour.
So when will the details of the energy plan go thru Parliament?
What, the urgent matter that's right at the top of everybody's list of things to be really concerned about?
I'd give it at least two months before anyone debates it in parliament.
Do we actually have a government at all, in anything but a sort of weird ceremonial sense?
At this point, the country is a bit like a formerly top drawer luxury saloon car with a big fancy engine and expensive gadgets, one that has been limping along in the possession of a low earning punter who bought too much car for their maintenance budget, and has now been taken to the garage to see what the funny grinding noises are... "nah, it's totally effing effed mate".
Correct me if I’m wrong but I remember you as one of the people who was looking forward to a Tory PM even worse than Johnson as it would be great news for Labour.
Allow me to correct you, as you're wrong. I was actually with you on this one comrade. I know its a rarity that me and you agree on owt, but there you go.
I agree with you that a lot of the people saying how awful she'll be, she won't last 5 minutes and what a gift for labour were saying the exactly the same thing about the laughable idea of Boris as PM. And that went well, didn't it?
I still think there's not much difference between Johnson and Truss. It's just more of the same with less bluster. More nationalist populist, culture war claptrap, just with (as you pointed out) some even worse people in key roles, ie: A health secretary who's a christian anti-abortionist.
' Twas me Ernie. The points being
1 she has none of the charm of johson so will lose Tory votes.
2 she is so incompetent thatshe will actually not do much . We already see this in her cabinet which is so crony led that even moderate tories will rebell
3 its only a choice like would you prefer botulism or mrsa sepsis. Both unpleasant and potentially fatal.
4 she makes scots independence more likely
We have been thru this before. I think you look at minutiae and see sugnificant differnce. I look widely and see no significant difference
Also playing the long game. Johnson could have won another election.. truss won't
an education cabinet minister who was so vehemently opposed to extending free school meals into the school holidays
Like most of the Conservatives then. Hardly a lone voice. They had to be bumped into it (like many things) by public figures, a groundswell of public outrage, and opposition party propositions and scrutiny. Tried gaming that to the advantage of connected companies rather than the families effected as well. We need rid of them.
And that went well, didn’t it?
He's done his best to trash his party's support. Now over to Truss to, after no doubt a brief period of renewed support, continue that trend. Neither should be allowed anywhere near the top job... the only real difference is that Johnson has proven many times that he knows how to connect with the wider voting public when the time matters, and head up winning campaigns... Truss has no record of being able to do that at all.
Allow me to correct you, as you’re wrong. I was actually with you on this one comrade. I know its a rarity that me and you agree on owt, but there you go.
Very happy to be corrected binners and apologies for misrepresenting your views. But it certainly wasn't only you TJ, there was, imo, a shocking amount of people who were celebrating the fact that things would allegedly get worse, because it would be good for Labour.
I won't name names because I don't approve of talking about someone when they are not on a thread, but there was one in particular who was filled with glee. MSP on here wrote an excellent post criticising their tasteless enthusiasm.
