Judging from their appearance these are presumably Hasidic Jews and therefore the "wrong sort of Jew", many zionists would argue, but I really like this clip because it is clear that it hasn't been carefully rehearsed and the father is expecting his son to give answers based on the morality which he hopes he has instilled into him.
https://youtube.com/shorts/wv7aY0GLh5U?si=nCPu321Ib-dDrQlm
The one huge difference with SA apartheid is that no country (with the possible exception of Israel) openly supported the SA apartheid regime
Well, Rhodesia did. But...
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For those who assume that the hatred of Palestinians which zionists endlessly express is reciprocated by Palestinians, and doubt therefore in the feasibility of a single democratic state solution in which all can live in peaceful coexistence, have a look at this clip in which Daniel Mate is talking to his father and brother.
His father Gabor is a Holocaust survivor and world renowned trauma expert. All three were brought up as zionists.
https://www.tiktok.com/@mo.salah9891/video/7334895933479505185
Global Jewish opposition to Israeli zionists continues to grow, just one more recent example :
"I say with one voice that we oppose these atrocities, not in spite of our Judaism, but for many of us because of it," Morriah Kaplan, interim director of IfNotNow, told the protest.
New York City Comptroller Brad Lander, the city's highest-ranking Jewish elected official, said at the protest, "Yesterday we commemorated Tisha B'Av, mourning the destruction done to the Jewish people. Today, we are standing to call out the destruction being carried out by the Jewish state."
It is absolutely scandalous that the current UK Labour government will not treat Israel as the pariah state it so clearly deserves to be treated as.
An interesting point of view from an Israeli historian...... Judaism is currently facing possibly its greatest turning point since the fall of the Temple and the Roman conquest
I've just heard a report on R4 which emphasised that some IDF soldiers have done multiple 'tours' in Gaza and this might be a reason why they have protested a full ethnic cleansing occupation. Shooting and starving civilians must be traumatic for some.
How long before the Israeli state decides to explore measures to spare the feelings of individual soldiers whilst still killing civilians?
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I've just heard a report on R4 which emphasised that some IDF soldiers have done multiple 'tours' in Gaza and this might be a reason why they have protested a full ethnic cleansing occupation. Shooting and starving civilians must be traumatic for some.
How long before the Israeli state decides to explore measures to spare the feelings of individual soldiers whilst still killing civilians?
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Google Capt (reserve) Ron Feiner, jailed in May for refusing to turn out again after multiple tours totalling 270 days
He made his decision to refuse after being called on after a ceasefire that had barely begun before it was ignored
I presume you are missing what I am alluding to deliberately.
Sanction the entire Israeli cabinet from any travel to the UK under threat of arrest, Sanction all Israeli imports, Open investigations into every UK citizen who has travelled to Israel to enrol in the IDF as a potential war criminal and do not allow UK citizens any further involvement with the IDF.
Any less than that is hand wringing from starmer and this government
How long before the Israeli state decides to explore measures to spare the feelings of individual soldiers whilst still killing civilians?
It seems like poisoned food is the preferred technique.
I think the refusal rate for reservists is about 40% which is obviously causing huge problems for the IDF.
The reasons no doubt will be multiple but I believe that no clear war aims and the fact that Hamas still hasn't apparently been defeated after almost 2 years is sapping morale.
Also an unwillingness to die or be seriously injured for these unknown war aims undoubtedly plays a part. As well as the knowledge that Benjamin Netanyahu's personal political survival is now a major factor for the continued hostilities.
I presume you are missing what I am alluding to deliberately.
II don't think so. Professional militaries (reserve or regular) understand that they are there to resolve conflict and they understand that there's a line. It varies from person to person, but more and more are seeing that line and refuse to cross it for a variety of reasons.
PM Netanyahu is already under fire from ultra-orthodox Jews over conscription and has lost two ultra-orthodox parties from his government, not to mention his current and former senior military officers
His military is tired, stretched too thinly and they are no nearer to resolution because Netanyahu keeps inventing more oppression and they are about to take close-up and personal responsibility for millions of Palestinians in Gaza by invading it and displacing any semblance of governance.
Your caustic comments occasionally cause deeper thought
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-suspends-arms-exports-to-israel-for-use-in-gaza/a-73569858
Of course, it’ll make no difference. With Trump backing his scorched earth policy, Netanyahu will carry on.
Of course, it’ll make no difference. With Trump backing his scorched earth policy, Netanyahu will carry on.
Still, it’s significant that this is too much for even the Germans to stomach.
So, do we still think Netanyahu's goal is not to ethnically cleanse Gaza?
Your caustic comments occasionally cause deeper thought
Multiple ironies within this.
Remember the “Red heifers” from last year?, with the Jewish prayers being carried out at Al-Aqsa mosque last week by Ben-Gvir and troop of genocidal religious freaks I figure we are well on our way to allowing this to happen
Can you believe this shit the freaks believe?, W-T-A-F*** 😯
Israel slaughtering journalists from within Gaza yet again,
Jeremy Bowen reporting on the settler ghouls, remove them by force at gunpoint just as they treat the Palestinian farmers, if they refuse then let their carcass fertilise the soil.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4wwxz12jko
Whilst laudable, there's only one country that can influence Netanyahu in a meaningful way.
Nope, that's just an excuse for inaction and cowardice by the rest of the world.
Nope, that's just an excuse for inaction and cowardice by the rest of the world.
That's a logical fallacy. It could be viewed as an enabler - a country could take the view that recognising a Palestinian state and changing the country's motto to "Netanyahu is a bastard" is a free hit as it won't make any difference.
But it would, of course, due to Trump and the US. But that loops back around to the US being behind pretty much all of the pussyfooting around Netanyahu.
There is only one country that can truly influence Netanyahu.
Whilst laudable, there's only one country that can influence Netanyahu in a meaningful way.
If that were the case Israel wouldn't be as obsessed with hasbara as it is.
And Trump wouldn't be kicking up such a stink about countries recognising the State of Palestine.
Nor would Trump be obsessed with expanding the Abraham Accords.
The idea that Israel can function normally whilst relying solely on support from the United States is nonsense.
Full integration with the international community is absolutely vital for Israel
The idea that Israel can function normally whilst relying solely on support from the United States is nonsense.
True.
Whilst laudable, there's only one country that can influence Netanyahu in a meaningful way.
This may also be true.
If that were the case Israel wouldn't be as obsessed with hasbara as it is.
And Trump wouldn't be kicking up such a stink about countries recognising the State of Palestine.
Nor would Trump be obsessed with expanding the Abraham Accords.
The idea that Israel can function normally whilst relying solely on support from the United States is nonsense.
Please tell me you realise what you have just done with that post.
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Full integration with the international community is absolutely vital for Israel
Yup. They could operate militarily with just the USA support but it would put a lot of pressure on the economy and hence the government if countries actually started taking action in terms of sanctions and travel restrictions.
As it stands though they have murdered an Al Jazeera reporting team claiming one of them was actually an Hamas leader.
Whilst laudable, there's only one country that can influence Netanyahu in a meaningful way.
This may also be true.
Oh I don't know, if Benjamin Netanyahu steps outside Israel or the United States and is arrested on suspicion of war crimes and genocide that might influence his behaviour a tad.
Can you believe this shit the freaks believe?, W-T-A-F
As a religious Jew, I thank you for your kind comments 😛
Anyway, according to orthodox Judaism:
a) it's absolutely forbidden to go on the temple mount in an 'unclean' state, on pain of heavenly punishment (usually seen as premature death of some sort).
b) it's impossible to become 'clean' for this purpose until the 3rd temple is built
c) the 3rd temple won't be built until the messiah comes
Meaning that the whole fighting over the temple mount is a bit ridiculous (again, according to orthodox Judaism) - firstly it's a catch-22 that you can't build the temple without going on the mount and you can't go on the mount until the temple is built, regardless of whether you have the red heifer or not.
What's my point? I'm not sure, I've lost track slightly and don't want to derail this thread into a religious discussion. But what these people do in the name of Judaism is, well... it isn't. If that wasn't clear already.
remove them by force at gunpoint just as they treat the Palestinian farmers, if they refuse then let their carcass fertilise the soil
There's a good solution 🙄
I was on the Big Bike Ride for Palestine on Saturday (hundreds of cyclists from North, West, and South, London, converged on East London) there were many stops on the way for rallies and refreshments. At one stop a very prominent Jewish Palestine activist made the point that not only did the zionists steal the land from the Palestinians but they also stole the identity of Judaism.
I think the fight back from the global Jewish community might have started. I don't know how long or how successful it will be though.
There's a good solution 🙄
What’s the solution to state sponsored ethnic cleansing and mass land grabs then?, the Zionist settlers kill with utter impunity and have the backing of the current Israeli government, would you agree to sanctioning the current Israeli government as a terrorist state?, it appears to meet the current guidelines for “state sponsor of terrorism”
Terrorism is generally defined as the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence government policy, or affect government conduct, often for political, religious, racial, or ideological reasons.
Terrorist acts can be carried out by individuals, groups, or states.
https://trt.global/world/article/67b9d73d0ba0
What’s the solution to state sponsored ethnic cleansing and mass land grabs then?
I don't know. But I'm pretty certain it's not "shoot them all and leave them to rot in the fields" (to paraphrase slightly).
I don't know. But I'm pretty certain it's not "shoot them all and leave them to rot in the fields" (to paraphrase slightly).
Well, that method certainly seems to be working out fine for the settlers just now, so while you're having theological discussions about purity and temple-building and whatnot, Netanyahu and pals are weaponing anti-semitism to maintain support for their atrocities.
Well, that method certainly seems to be working out fine for the settlers just now, so while you're having theological discussions about purity and temple-building and whatnot, Netanyahu and pals are weaponing anti-semitism to maintain support for their atrocities.
My "theological discussion" was just a side point about the Itamar Ben-Gvir thing on the previous page, and the ludicrousness of him doing something that's actually against traditional Judaism by praying on the temple mount.
I am genuinely not sure what your point is.
Good report by sky news on the Israeli government state sponsored settler violence in the West Bank
4min highlights/introduction vid below
Full 30min documentary below
I am genuinely not sure what your point is.
Two points:
1. you say that shooting people, and leaving the corpses to rot is not a solution. But it's the settlers' MO and it is working fine for them, so maybe the problem is not a corpse-disposal issue
2. talking about whether Ben Gvir's antics are in line with traditional Judaism feels reminiscent of Communists in Western Europe saying that the gulags (and other excesses) were "not real Communism". Maybe not, but as a matter of practical fact what Ben Gvir/the USSR does/did is defining Judaism/Communism, and if folk don't like their religion being hijacked, then they need to work harder to reclaim it.
Point of Information :
reminiscent of Communists in Western Europe saying that the gulags (and other excesses) were "not real Communism".
Communists in the Soviet Union made the same claim. The last gulag was closed down in 1960 on the orders of the general secretary of the CPSU, Nikita Khrushchev.
https://stroudtimes.com/dale-vince-stands-firm-on-flying-palestinian-flag-at-ecotricity/
I admire the geezer's style but I suspect that the council might be able to legally challenge his decision to fly the Palestinian flag simply because of the sheer size of it !
Starmer "two-faced" ?
Surely not !
Allowed to leave despite being caught in a predator sex ring
i https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/16/nevada-arrest-israeli-official
Tom Artiom Alexandrovich, 38, faces felony charges of luring a child with a computer for a sex act, alongside several other suspects who were apprehended during the two-week sting operation, the Las Vegas metropolitan police department said in a statement published on Friday. He has since been released from custody on $10,000 bail after an initial court appearance, records show, and returned to Israel.
Oh the irony of an Israeli government cybersecurity official being arrested for luring a child with a computer for a sex act. It must surely make him a huge security risk for the Israelis.
Although according to Netanyahu's office the Las Vegas metropolitan police department are in fact lying and he was never arrested.
Maybe the Las Vegas metropolitan police department are anti-semitic and making false claims?
