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Flu vaccines are very safe. All adult flu vaccines are given by injection into the muscle of the upper arm.
Most side effects are mild and only last for a day or so, such as:
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slightly raised temperature
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muscle aches
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sore arm where the needle went in – this is more likely to happen with the vaccine for people aged 65 and over
The MMR vaccine is very safe. Most side effects are mild and do not last long, such as:
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the area where the needle goes in looking red, swollen and feeling sore for 2 to 3 days
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around 7 to 11 days after the injection, babies or young children may feel a bit unwell or develop a high temperature for about 2 or 3 days
<h3>Very common side effects (1 in 10) of the whooping cough vaccine include:</h3>
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Headache
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Fatigue
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Redness, swelling, or pain at the injection site
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Joint swelling or pain
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Fever
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Chills
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Lack of energy
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Nausea
More evidence here that nearly everyone gets unpleasant side effects, which certainly doesn’t tally with the official line. Nor is it something you see with normal vaccines that haven’t been rushed out.
Tempting to draw conclusions about how far you can trust the government and big pharma.
Utter bullshine.
My wife, and lots of others, have said its no worse a reaction than the usual flu jab. Plenty of people on this thread have reported no real effects, and I suspect the thread is a bit self selective and attracts more of those who have had a reaction.
And no one on here has said that they would sooner have taken their chances with Covid.
Chrispo, I try to be even handed
You could usefully try a bit harder 🙂
It's not conspiracy shit, but a perfectly valid observation. It's not scientific, obviously, but I would definitely have expected more "I had none" posts from the rabid anti-conspiracists on here, yet most of you have also had side effects.
Now side effects may be normal and harmless and better than the real thing, but they're not supposed to affect nearly everyone. So it's no wonder that so many people don't trust what they're being told.
As I've said all along, if the government could just be open and honest and truthful...
Three or four times I have sided with you and your right to have an opinion, as long as you listen to what you are told afterwards.
But it has made no difference and so that hasn't worked. So I'm calling it as it is. You either don't want to listen, or you are just trolling. I can't convince you any more.
I defend your right to an opinion. But you now must respect my right to point out that your opinion is worthless, conspiracy theory bollocks.
Three or four times I have sided with you and your right to have an opinion, as long as you listen to what you are told afterwards.
You mean, I have the right to an opinion as long as I change it to be the same as yours?
Where is the conspiracy? I question the government propaganda and suddenly I’m a conspiracy theorist. If this was Brexit, you’d probably be agreeing with me. Don’t be so blinkered!
More evidence here that nearly everyone gets unpleasant side effects
If what we've had is "unpleasant", maybe they need to distribute some Growacett with each vaccine.
Look at your own words.
The answer's in there.
No real side affects for me yet other than becoming a 5G pylon.
& I’ve this overwhelming desire to update to Windows XP!
FWIW right as rain this AM & I’d rather have the jab than bloody COVID that’s for sure!
I question the government propaganda and suddenly I’m a conspiracy theorist.
How did I miss that absolute beauty?
just had my second pfizer jab yesterday. when i said id had no side-effects other than a slightly sore arm with the first one the nurse said i may feel worse with the second one as that was fairly common. incidentally she said the AZ was usually the opposite, poorly side-effects with the first, then nothing with the second.
im pleased to report nothing so far, just a slightly sore arm, same as the first.
- and 'I had none' posts would be coming from 'rabid anti-conspiracists'
Like said, I give the benefit of the doubt where I can but eventually the evidence mounts.
AZ on Wednesday afternoon, woke at 2am Thursday with aching joints etc, took paracetamol. Woke with joint pain gone, felt very lethargic for two days with a bit of mouth watering going on and a tender arm. Today, feel fine and off to work.
Thursday 14:30 - had AZ vaccine - all good
Friday 03:00 - woke up feeling lethargic and a bit achey, with a mild headache (took a paracetamol)
Friday daytime - as above, but paracetamol certainly helped. By evening symptoms had weakened.
Saturday morning - feel 95% fine - got some aches behind my knees, that's about it.
chrispo - can you highlight what you mean by propaganda by the Government? As far as I can see, numerous independent bodies in different countries have come to similar conclusions regarding the safety and efficacy of AZ and other vaccines.
As a comparison, I had a Hep B jab in December (for work) and the effects were very similar. This is a tried and tested jab, not "rushed out" during the pandemic.
Given that AZ are not making a profit on their vaccine for the duration of the pandemic, I don't understand what your point is.
55, had the AZ jab at 10.30am on thursday. By 10 pm started to feel under the weather with shivers and aches. Woke at 3am with a headache and sweating, took paracetamol. Fine the next morning but injection site still sore to touch today.
All very standard from reading other posts.
1st AZ jab on Tuesday at 9.00 I'm 51.
No side effects at all yet though I did drop a couple of paracetamol to be on the safe side and didn't cycle to work that day.
Cycled most days since and no effects - I'm still as slow as normal and so is my windows PC.......
1st jab = next day mild headache for an hour or two, sore arm for two days.
2nd jab = mild headache same afternoon, sore arm for one day, felt tired like I'd done a 100k ride into a headwind but no aching joints just fatigue. Next day went for an actual 45 mile ride into a headwind & felt a bit below my usual energy level. Day after felt ok.
2nd Pfizer one on Wednesday morning. My arm felt better than my first jab, but it wasn't exactly an issue first time out. Just a little tenderness on moving it. I did have a bit of a runny nose Thursday evening, but that's it. As a few folk have said, they'd rather have a bit of a side effect from the vaccine than get Covid. I've seen first hand where that can end. An ICU full of sedated, ventilated people is not a pleasant experience.
Had my first az jab 4 weeks ago. Whole arm has gone into spasm and across my shoulder and into my neck. 4 unpaid weeks off work so far and no return date yet. A lady I work with had also been off for 3 weeks after getting eye problems.
More evidence here that nearly everyone gets unpleasant side effects,
I would not surmise from this thread a blanket assumption such as that, for sure I had bad side effects from the AZ vaccine but you could realistically describe my situation as being exacerbated by my underlying spms, likewise for my mothers friend who had a very severe reaction to the AZ vaccine (her husband had no ill-effects), she's the only one in Scotland (according to consultants) who has suffered an extreme immune response and is still receiving hospital treatment/bloods/plasma/vit k/immunoglobulin every couple days - they don't know why she suffered such a response and are unsure if they'll ever discover exactly why.
My 68yr old mum had no issues apart from the fact she only managed a 10 mile walk that day, not her usual 15mile+, likewise my younger brother (fire service - one dose) or his gf (care home worker - received both doses) - the worst they felt was a bit off for a day then back to normal - I expect this response will be the norm for the vast majority of recipients out there so my take away from the many millions of AZ vaccines handed out is to take it and accept the fact you may feel a bit ropey for a day or two but any ill-effects from the vaccine pale into insignificance when compared to the damage that contracting covid can do, whether that be short term or long covid.
TLDR : take the vaccine.
Had my 1st AZ yesterday. Woke up about 230am and couldn't get back to sleep...it feels like I've done a full day kickboxing my body aches so much.
Mind you, I'd rather feel shit for a couple of days then catch the virus.
chrispo – can you highlight what you mean by propaganda by the Government? As far as I can see, numerous independent bodies in different countries have come to similar conclusions regarding the safety and efficacy of AZ and other vaccines.
The recent blood clot scare is a good example. Our government just says "it's safe, safe, safe, it's British and it's amazing and it's safe, shut up and take it". I'm not sure that's the best communication strategy given the way they **** most things up, admit no blame ever, and lie and mislead about pretty much everything else. A policy of honesty and balance and humility and openness might inspire more confidence among those who distrust the official line.
People are supposed to trust them on the vaccine's safety, yet anecdotal evidence suggests a higher frequency of side effects than claimed (e.g. flu symptoms are supposed to be seen in fewer than one in ten people).
As I said earlier, I had no side effects myself. Which means I had the vaccine. Which makes me an unlikely conspiracist/antivaxxer, whatever the dominant clique on here like to argue whenever anybody questions anything they believe.
The recent blood clot scare is a good example.
That looked like EU nations politicking to gain an advantage from AZ. It would have carried more weight if scientific types had pronounced the vaccine was causing problems. When those leading the chorus are are those well known epidemiologists like Emmanuel Macron it's not a scientific dispute.
Chrispo;
Sorry if I was harsh before. But you are IMHO close on just trolling now; if you aren't apologies. Let me try and refute one more time.
I'm no Government supporter, but again, no they didn't say 'shut up and take it' and persisting with this is extremely vexatious against people of the integrity of Whitty, Vallance, JVT, etc.
It's there in plain sight. Acceptance of and a rational discussion of. Of course if you think they are propagandists and conspiracies abound then you'll dismiss it. I can't help you with that and I'm almost out of patience trying.
As for the 'flu symptoms in fewer than 1/10'. Also there in plain sight. The 1/10, 1/100 are ways of standardising the info. Very common means more than 1/10. The types of mild side effects seen and reported in this thread were expected at the sorts of levels seen, and typical of antiviral vaccines in general.
A policy of honesty and balance and humility and openness might inspire more confidence among those who distrust the official line.
I don't have much - or any time - for this despicable government, but as far as the vaccines go, you're not being asked to trust the government, you're being asked to trust the vaccine trials and the scientists and researchers behind them. You're also being asked to trust the thoroughness of the regulatory system and its priorities.
Do you really believe that those people and studies have deliberately and cynically understated the side-effects because the government told them to do so?
I can't argue that this government isn't terrible in multiple ways, but I find it hard to believe that they've managed to fake the vaccine trial results to cover up side effects.
and as comparison, here's the patient leaflet for this years flu vaccine. Side effects / prevalence, pretty much the same.
That looked like EU nations politicking to gain an advantage from AZ. It would have carried more weight if scientific types had pronounced the vaccine was causing problems. When those leading the chorus are are those well known epidemiologists like Emmanuel Macron it’s not a scientific dispute.
That’s a bit like taking the vaccine because it’s been pronounced safe by the well-known epidemiologist Boris Johnson 😂
Plenty of respected scientific institutions in non-EU countries have had their misgivings. Are Norway’s top scientists conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers? Still on hold there, and they’ve just gone into another lockdown.
I understand the government’s rationale for putting out an unambiguous message if they think the population is thick as shit, but not otherwise.
I reserve the right to take the assurances of both politicians and government scientists with a pinch of salt.
WhyTF did you have the damn vaccine if you have all these issues around it?
Please don't feed the troll.
Had my 1st on Wednesday, arm was a bit sore next day, like I'd had a dead arm the day before, I would say I felt like I had 1% of the feeling of an inbound cold on Thursday, totes back to normal on Friday.
My brother (who reported flu-like symptoms after his) hypothosised that I had a milder reaction because I've had it? Who knows.
Well one week after the Ox/AZ vaccine. Had nothing for four days - barely even a sore arm. Then fever, headache and chills. Dies down but back again with a vengeance after six days. Another 12-hour plus headache and fatigue. On the mend now.
It’s my day job to input into those patient information and prescribing data sheets. Ive spent two weeks doing it for our COVID antibody which we filed with the FDA for emergency use on Friday. I trust the process and accept the limitations of the trials to find extremely rare events. This really is warp speed. But the diligence is unchanged from any other medicine I have worked on.
More evidence here that nearly everyone gets unpleasant side effects
Not me. 53, first AZ jab a week ago. No side effects. My sister, 51, couple of days before me. No side effects. Just for balance, like.
AZ jab last Monday - absolutely fine, no issues!
The fever / chills went as quickly as they came on. Still don't feel 100% though and it's reflected on the bike.
Not done anything today owing to a series of really unpleasant stomach cramps, but I'm inclined to put that down to the fish I ate yesterday that was two days out of date.
AZ last monday, nothing at all. a mate i was riding with sunday had had it the day before, he was the same.
Plenty of respected scientific institutions in non-EU countries have had their misgivings. Are Norway’s top scientists conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers? Still on hold there, and they’ve just gone into another lockdown.
So one country's scientists had a problem then Trolly Mctroll-face. Just maybe they were mistaken. In 20 million vaccine doses in this country alone we have no sight nor data on vaccine reactions. Give it up man, there's nothing there and no amount of flat-earth anti-vax tosh will make it so.
As I said earlier, I had no side effects myself. Which means I had the vaccine.
So why are you trying to dissuade others with you faux-scientific conspiracy theory posturing?
Three out of four of our household have had it - the one that hasn't isn't 18 til November.
Lady of the house had it first back in Feb - only 49 but working in a school and volunteered to do the LFTesting so jabbed on that basis. Sore arm for a couple of days but nothing else.
Son 1 was next - 18 but SEN (cerebral palsy) so tacked on to the over 60's in early Mar - sick as a pike, literally shivering/burning up and actually puking three times, between 7pm and 3am after a dose at 12.30pm. Woke up absolutely fine next day and nothing thereafter.
Me - 50ish, had it a week yesterday, not even a sore arm.
Edit to say we were all AZ
Another side effect in our household is that we have a pizza party after everyone's jab.
Three down, one to go!
Nothing apart from it feels that I’ve been punched in the arm. (AZ)
Had the AZ yest morning, nothing apart from ‘punched arm’ feeling this am. Same for partner, we both took paracetamol before & after as some people are recommending.
48hrs in, AZ #1. Able to ride yesterday but stayed flat. Feel tired in a strange way and this morning like I have the wimpiest of colds. Not too bad at all, but I know my immune system is hard at work.
Me, 48 hours later, I feel the same as above. Effects seem to be subsiding. I suppose if I had no reaction I'd wonder if my immune system was at work at all.
AZ yesterday morning - been through the mill overnight. I was slightly apprehensive about the jab having just had a brute of a long covid symptom cycle the previous weekend. Had a negative test result at the time and the Drs this week the view was you'll be fine with a jab.
Arm just felt normal after.
Kicked off with a bit out of sorts around 16:00 (7hrs after jab), a very solid impersonation of bad flu body aches by 21:00. Heavy bout of the shakes overnight - around four hours - found laying in the recovery position and trying to be as relaxed as possible kept them at bay. Pretty challenging to be able to get up and walk to the loo never mind pxxx straight. Bit of an elevated temperature for a few hours. Av resting HR was up around 25bpm over night and peaked at 140bpm walking slowly upstairs. Chest / heart feels like it did after long covid symptom cycle number 2. Garmin watch thinks I have been under medium / high stress most of the night. It's only just dropping to low now. Thinking I'll need to back off the exercise for a few days and ease into it. On the upside the vaccine didn't come with the low mood that seems to arrive with my long covid bouts. Right now I just feel achey and pretty much as I would if I hadn't had much sleep.
AZ on Friday. Felt great all day and then basically had what felt like flu for 1h at 5am on Saturday morning. Literally fell out of bed, lay on floor shaking and could barely crawl back into bed. Had hot/cold flushes for 30 mins or so and then fell asleep. Woke up on Saturday morning feeling a little bit jaded so didn't ride bike or turbo yesterday. I feel pretty good this morning - a little bit of a sore arm perhaps.
For balance my wife was absolutely fine - barely even a sore arm 😄
AZ on Friday morning for me. Slightly sore arm when you touch it but other than that absolutely nothing. Is disappoint in a way, but, nah, not really. 🙂 Feel quite fortunate.
So I turned 50 this week and had my AZ first dose Friday lunch time. Felt fine until bed time when I started to feel very mildly feverish. So mild it was almost pleasant in a funny sort of way. Had a typical broken nights sleep you’d expect from that. Took some paracetamol in morning and felt ok. Went for a very gentle ride where I noticed mild joint pain in knees and elbows. Plus some discomfort in the family jewels. I have had this before one time when I’ve had flu. Plus the sort of vacant brain fog I get the next day after a 6 pint session. Pretty tired in the afternoon and had to resort to a snooze with with 2 hot water bottles and a blanket. Unsurprisingly woke up pretty hot but at least got rid of the chill. More paracetamol and went to bed feeling okish. Woke up this morning with sore arm but generally feeling fine. Better than fine. Energised even. So all in all very mild time limited flu like symptoms. Very reassuring that my immune system is doing something so happy with that.
Had my first AZ jab at 9am yesterday. Spent the rest of the day digging out and replacing four concrete fence posts and panels. Fine all day until just before bed at around midnight when suddenly felt quite shivery and had a headache. Didn't take any paracetamol because have you seen the side-effects?! Slept fine. Woke up a bit achey but that's more likely due to the fencing. All things considered I think I'd have preferred the Pfizer or Moderna vaccs but at least it's a step in the right direction if we do need vaccine passports to travel etc.