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AZ here, it's like the worst bee sting imaginable, continuous and unrelenting pain.
AZ this afternoon absolutely fine
now running a temp of 38.5
Pfizer 2nd dose this afternoon. Actually not looking forward to it. Colleagues who have already had it have noted feeling worse than after first
I had my second Pfizer on Saturday felt great yesterday, today I feel like I’ve fallen down the stairs.
really thirsty this morning other than that, I'm fine
AZ Sunday morning. Okay for about 6 hours, then it started to hit me. Running hot and cold at the same time, headache, aching joints and sensitivity to light.
Restless night and pretty much the same this morning. A lot like when I actually had covid in November.
I've got my first due on this Saturday, so im not really paying close attention to this thread 😆
Sister had hers as she's a carer for mum, and reported the only side effect of a sore arm in that area for 2 days, the kind of sore you get after walking into a door. You notice it when you move but otherwise not. Some of her friends have reported as feeling a bit 'flu'y' for a couple of days and the same, a bit sore in that area.
Come what may, i'd rather have it than not.
My wife and some of her co workers had their second Pfizer jabs and they ended up with a lump under the armpit - she had no reaction to the first jab. I had my first AZ one and apart from a slightly sore arm - can still feel it after almost a week - nothing else
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Had my 1st AZ yesterday. Woke up about 230am and couldn’t get back to sleep…it feels like I’ve done a full day kickboxing my body aches so much.Posted 1 day ago
Exactly sums up how I'm feeling now after my AS jab on Saturday night.
^^^
So this was posted without comment...
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... which is not usual best forum etiquette. But then I'm about to comment without having looked at it so, usual forum practice, no high ground claimed. I'm going to guess it contains something about correlation and causation? Possibly also attribution errors? You read a thread like this and it looks like 90% are having unpleasant reactions, but given all the people not posting it could be 10% or less, we don't know?
Not sure where I stand tbh, I can see this thread might make some folks more nervous (it made me think ah bollocks about my first and think timing is not ideal having a surf trip planned for the day after my second at the start of June) and so this thread might be doing more harm than good.
OTOH, it does reflect what I pick up from other anecdotal sources, and makes me think aha about the v mild semi start of a cold thing I had a few days ago for about a day (thinking errors outlined above apply). Almost pleasant as someone else said. Ah, colds, I remember them...
Being a pessimist I wanted to know what the worst case scenario was.
The fact that I had absolutely no reaction was a bonus!
Well that was short lived feel fine now. 😀
Being a pessimist I wanted to know what the worst case scenario was.
You get run over by a bus on your way to the vaccination centre.
@Zippy. sounds like you are almost disappointed 😆
Being a pessimist I wanted to know what the worst case scenario was.
You get run over by a bus on your way to the vaccination centre.
nah. On the way back. And it has to reverse a couple of times to finish the job
nah. On the way back. And it has to reverse a couple of times to finish the job
That’s the problem with experimental vaccines you have no idea what to expect.
after a pretty miserable nights "sleep" feeling a bit more normal, just a dull headache and the arm is a more general throb now.
So this was posted without comment https://www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/five-simple-ways-to-sharpen-your-critical-thinking/p0929tns
… which is not usual best forum etiquette. But then I’m about to comment without having looked at it so, usual forum practice, no high ground claimed. I’m going to guess it contains something about correlation and causation? Possibly also attribution errors?
Lol, no, it’s mostly about being open-minded and respectful of other people’s views. I assume it was posted ironically.
No side effects for me, just a bit of worry caused by people talking about side effects. OH said she felt a bit knocked out for a day, but that could have been a hangover.
I posted it. I didn't think it needed comment given the title is pretty explicit.
And no, it wasn't ironic. I have been respectful and mindful of other's views, yours included. Of those 5 I'm aware that STW can be guilty at time of most of them.
Only a week ago, I was very unsure about going for the vax on the basis of some of the reports. I asked for and reviewed a lot of different sources and came to a conclusion, aware of confirmation bias, relevance of sources, etc. I'm still open to being convinced that your proposition, that this vaccine is untested / unsafe and that it is some kind of propaganda led initiative (for what benefit, I'm not sure?) but despite several requests you have not brought your evidence and your actions go against your pronounced opinions.
Which leaves me with the possibility that you are just here for the argument, and there's a term for that too.
(there's also a certain subtlety / style to your language including choice of certain words that is very reminiscent of another (ex) poster on here who was reknowned for being - shall we say - of contrary views for the purposes of starting an argument. Now, they didn't have exclusivity over these words and language so it's not 'definitive' but I'm suspicious. If you are genuine, again I apologise)
Had first AZ jab Sat PM. Was very busy Saturday spent all day jetwashing / oiling the decking. I *may* have had a few beers after jab Sat PM.
Woke up Sat PM feeling very tired / heavy legs. Put it down to busy day, clock change etc. Took dog out for long walk felt pretty wiped out by lunchtime when I got back.
In the afternoon had pretty full on flu-like symptoms, felt cold, tired, achey. Just wanted to put my feet up on sofa and have a snooze. By the evening the flu symptoms had passed but still felt quite tired / weak.
Good night's sleep feel OK today apart from an ache around where I got stabbed in the arm...
Had mine yesterday, felt ok yesterday afternoon, usual Sunday routine, bed by 8 as I work at 4am.
Woke up at 1am shivering felt very cold, winter duvet on the bed still so shouldn’t of been cold, went to move and ache all over. Napped till 4am called work to say I won’t be in, napped till 7am now got hot flushes...felt like a migraine light sensitive and heavy headache. Went back to sleep, got up at 10am still feeling pretty crap, hope this passes..
I’m not aware that I’ve had covid in the last year, been told the side effects are due to me already having an immune response. Hope the second shot isn’t as bad in a few weeks.
I’m still open to being convinced that your proposition, that this vaccine is untested / unsafe and that it is some kind of propaganda led initiative (for what benefit, I’m not sure?) but despite several requests you have not brought your evidence and your actions go against your pronounced opinions.
But I haven’t pronounced any such opinions. I’m just saying that it’s no wonder some people won’t have the vaccine when the propaganda machine is so black and white and refuses to acknowledge the existence of grey. The prevalence of side-effects, however minor, seems higher than advertised. The fact that blood clots are a concern for scientific experts in some countries but dismissed out of hand in others doesn’t help the cause either. None of this will reassure anyone.
The prevalence of side-effects, however minor, seems higher than advertised.
No they aren't. They are exactly in line with the >1 in 10 expectations that were in the patient leaflet, and that you see in a typical antiviral vaccine (eg: flu)
The fact that blood clots are a concern for scientific experts in some countries but dismissed out of hand in others doesn’t help the cause either. None of this will reassure anyone.
They are not being dismissed out of hand. They have been looked at and reviewed by multiple agencies who have no chip in the game other than ensuring there is sufficient safety and benefit balance. Some countries suspended the vaccine while reviewing and then have restarted. One that I know of is still evaluating, maybe you can tell us others.
But I said all this yesterday and provided links and you did not comment.
Then you 'accused' me of being ironic for posting the how to sharpen your critical thinking link. What was point 3 in that, I wonder?
But I said all this yesterday and provided links and you did not comment.
Then you ‘accused’ me of being ironic for posting the how to sharpen your critical thinking link. What was point 3 in that, I wonder?
I’m sorry. If I addressed everything everyone says it’d take over the thread. It was only an off-the-cuff remark in the first place.
But thank you for your links, which both support what I said in the first place 😉
If you want to lead by example on intellectual empathy, how about you address what I actually said rather than that poor straw man?
We're well into 2nd doses here now (GP surgery) and we've all pretty much had the Pfizer jab, so far it's evenly split 50/50 between those folks who've no symptoms to those who've reported mild flu symptoms (and two that were ill enough to call in sick the following day) There's no age or sex prevalence either way.
Well, 14 year old daughter had her normal jabs at school today, one in each arm, and BOTH arms are really sore apparently.
Makes you think....
So are you going to comment on the links or the points made then? How do they support what you said?
To your points. Yes, there are shades of grey and nuances but in my opinion, the safety and efficacy of the vaccine (particularly when weighed against the alternative of not getting the vaccine) are completely separable, we're not talking close shades here. I understand that some people need convincing, but the fears or suspicions they have are in my opinion totally misguided, and those that stoke them on here and on social media I have sadly run out of patience for.
The potential that this is some amazing deep state conspiracy is I supposed always a possibility, in which case hats off, I'm totally fooled. If I'm proven wrong in future the one thing I am not shy of doing is saying so.
I don't understand your strawman comment, at least not by my understanding of what a straw man is? Can you be more explicit?
I’m just saying that it’s no wonder some people won’t have the vaccine when the propaganda machine is so black and white and refuses to acknowledge the existence of grey.
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. There's any number of places online The NHS for example that will give as much information as anyone would need to make a reasoned decision about any vaccine, and help folk weigh up the benefits and risks. Here's another site that talks about side effects and we're (our GP practice) running podcasts with BAME groups, local outreach groups, zoom meetings with Imams and local clergy and everything is out in the open.
There's sufficient people out there saying that not only do the benefits outweigh the risk, here's all the information to support that statement. Fo'shure the Govt are encouraging folk to take the vaccine, but it's miles away from propaganda
Me and Mrs g-d were about the same - proper case of shivers, some aching, headache, touch of sore arm.
One of our friends full blown vomiting / dizziness.
A few hours of feeling pants or even a week of it vs. a moderately bad outcome from Covid I'll take feeling pants any day of the week.
Started typing this this morning, tried to work, did a couple of video calls and fell asleep for three hours. Head still whamming now. Given up on work for the day just going to rest and hopefully fit tomorrow.
Mrs gd either got off lighter or is much tougher than me. Probably the latter.
So are you going to comment on the links or the points made then? How do they support what you said?
OK, then. Because one has the headline "vaccine is safe, go get it" and the other says "flu symptoms in fewer than one in ten". Even if we classify the flu-like side-effects reported in this thread as milder than flu, and so as affecting "more than one in ten", that's a rather misleading statistic in my book if in reality it's a whole lot more than one in ten, which is the impression I get looking around me.
Straw men: "vaccine is untested / unsafe", "worthless, conspiracy theory bollocks"
I’m sorry, but that’s just not true
What your practice is doing sounds great, well done. But why does the NHS site you linked to have to say "some people may" rather than "most people will" have side-effects?
So that's my point. Better, more honest communication at headline level might be more convincing, whatever it may say in the small print. It's being dumbed down too much.
But why does the NHS site you linked to have to say “some people may” rather than “most people will” have side-effects?
Because as I said it's was 50/50 at our practice for staff (which isn't 'most' people), which is what we're getting from our patients as well. As others have said, this thread isn't representative, (it's asking for positives)
I think if you are due to be vaccinated a pre op of paracetamol and electrolyte drink like high 5 zero might be well worth it
No one likes a debilitating headache that wont shift
And whats with the no driving for 15 minutes afters?
Because one has the headline “vaccine is safe, go get it”
No, it doesn't. It says the medicines regulator has confirmed that people should continue to get the vaccine. Not the Gov, they do not decide these matters, the MHRA is independant. It does not say the vaccine is safe - it says the benefits outweigh the risks and:
"The MHRA’s advice remains that the benefits of the vaccines against COVID-19 continue to outweigh any risks and that the public should continue to get their vaccine when invited to do so"
and the other says “flu symptoms in fewer than one in ten”
You are correct in that, I would submit that the majority of the symptoms that are being reported here (in a self-selecting group answering a question about what side effects we had) are not flu like. Flu is a very debilitating condition. This is actually what the leaflet says:
Very Common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people)
- tenderness, pain, warmth, itching or bruising where the injection is given
- generally feeling unwell
- feeling tired (fatigue)
- chills or feeling feverish
- headache
- feeling sick (nausea)
- joint pain or muscle ache
and we're now splitting hairs over whether these are mild or not, or mild flu-like or not. They are very consistent with what I had for certain. And they lasted a day, unlike flu that lasts weeks.
Strawmen:
"Vaccine is untested / unsafe
I'll quote your own words back at you:
More evidence here that nearly everyone gets unpleasant side effects, which certainly doesn’t tally with the official line. Nor is it something you see with normal vaccines that haven’t been rushed out.
What are you then suggesting if it's not that it hasn't been tested and / or is unsafe. What point are you making, with your words?
and:
"Conspiracy theory bollocks
I question the government propaganda
Propaganda definition: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view
Apart from the fact it isn't Gov information, what is your point? Is it biased, or misleading, and if so how? Advice that is backed up by overwhelming scientific evidence that is freely available for scrutiny and debate is only 'biased' by virtue of it being overwhelmingly likely to be correct. Is it misleading, if so how?
If you insist this is propaganda (and you've used that specific word several times now) then I'm calling it again, that you are impuning the integrity of all the (independant) scientists whose information and research is being reviewed and reported.
Very Common (may affect more than 1 in 10 people)
tenderness, pain, warmth, itching or bruising where the injection is given
generally feeling unwell
feeling tired (fatigue)
chills or feeling feverish
headache
feeling sick (nausea)
joint pain or muscle ache
and we’re now splitting hairs over whether these are mild or not, or mild flu-like or not. They are very consistent with what I had for certain. And they lasted a day, unlike flu that lasts weeks.
That's me to a tee and Mrs gd.
It's really not as severe as flu by any stretch of the imagination and in our case - we are emphatically in the "very common" symptoms. It's genuinely inconvenient and uncomfortable and in my case enough to make concentration on a mentally demanding job near enough impossible and I've been under the duvet most of the day.
Most of my team who've had it have had various levels of the above. All of them have effectively said "so what, better than Covid".
My pretty fit 40 something brother in law spent 3.5 weeks on a ventilator, they nearly lost him at least once during that and it's taken him months to get any semblance of fitness back. Two kids under 10 who came frighteningly close to losing their dad. Others haven't fared so well. I'll cheerfully be a GPS tracked lizard slave (not that I believe such twaddle) / put up with a few days of crappiness before I risk my kids losing their dad like that unnecessarily.
So 42 year old bloke here. Had Covid in early November, confirmed by test.
Got the AZ jab on Sunday morning at 8:30am. Felt fine in the day, layed some tiles in the front porch. Sat watching top gear and felt a bit rough so went to bed about 9:30pm
Properly rough nights "sleep". Temperature up and down and really odd vivid dreams. Felt rough when I woke up but popped some paracetamol and felt a lot better. I still worked, from home, but definitely wasn't as productive as normal and felt really lethargic. Arm aches slightly but no more than if someone had punched it.
Later went out for a walk with the family in the Peak District for an hour or so in the sun which was great followed by a chippy dinner.
Hoping that I'll get a better night's sleep tonight.
Overall I'd say the side effects I experienced were similar to my Covid symptoms, but watered down massively.
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OK, let's just agree to disagree.
On the 'most vs. some' point, I had a strong reaction to the jab, as I said right back near the beginning of the thread. But Mrs Owg didn't, not did my mother (84), my 2 sisters, my riding buddy, my niece... So >1 in 10 is looking pretty good in my anecdotal sample.
And whats with the no driving for 15 minutes afters?
A very rare but immediate complication is hypersensitivity or anaphylaxis. You don’t want to be driving home when your blood pressure tanks.
Walked five miles yesterday and felt vastly different to the day before. Fatigue levels have dropped significantly. And it is sunny.
I had mine about 8 weeks ago (Pfizer I believe - didn't really pay much attention to the pre-jab chat), and had zero side effects. Most of my colleagues had same dose, around the same time, with similar lack of/ minimal side effects. Wife had hers yesterday (AZ), and has a bit of a sore arm this morning. Both first dose. By comparison, family friend had Covid19, and eventually died in hospital, after weeks on a ventilator, with no one but an overworked ICU nurse for company.
Had the AZ jab yesterday. Bit of a headache today and a sort of head cold feeling but nothing serious. I've felt worse after a hard day on the bike.
I don't really care if the side effects impact on 10% or 100% of people. It is still better than getting COVID.
I wonder if people debated the small pox vaccine in the same way?
I have had a lot of different vaccines over the years.
Yellow fever, Flu, Hep A & B, cholera, typhoid etc.
I got a few in one day and felt like shit for about 3 days.
Side effects from vaccines are totally normal.