[Closed] Calais Migrant camp- a conversation

Junkyard - lazarus

What he said over attention troll

Personally I prefer the French method of direct action[ and also our dairy farmers but they were Tory land owners so not demonised]
We have the numbers to hold the bastards to account

Oh no you don't ... your numbers are just less than 1% of the entire UK population. (i.e. based on the petition signed on this or other thread).

This is a democratic country Not a commy state and we do not have Politburo.

There's an easier way toys 😀

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Darcy? What are you doing reading my posts, you blocked me ages ago didn't you?
I found the blocker thing made my browser hang, is it improved any? Where is it?

you blocked me ages ago didn't you?

I did no such thing you eejit!

Trying to remember how I found it again...I'll tell you if you promise not to use it on me. 😛

[quote=toys19 said]Darcy? What are you doing reading my posts, you blocked me ages ago didn't you?
I found the blocker thing made my browser hang, is it improved any? Where is it?

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/singletrack-world-forum-e/cpgdlmbifgbhcoigdoeoooakijdionop?hl=en-GB

Careful, I wrote some of it 🙂

La France ne peut accueillir toute la misère du monde - mais elle doit savoir en prendre fidèlement sa part.

France can't welcome all the misery of the world - but she must accept her fair share.

Michel Rocard said that back in 1989. No country or even continent can open the doors to every prospective economic migrant but each country should take its fair share of genuine refugees. It's really easy for the UK which is an island as candidates can be vetted before being let in.

deadlydarcy - Member

There's an easier way toys

Ohhh ... Block User ... nassttyy ... 😯

Oh well ... that's the end of lively debate.

(in the meantime try to find Block User function not that I want to block someone ... 😆 )

Why europe when these guys are rich and culpable

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/06/us-europe-migrants-gulf-idUSKCN0R60H620150906

M. Rocard avait raison Mr Rocard was right.

oh blocker enabled, that feels good.
I meant to hassle our local MP Ben Bradshaw about this (migrants) when I saw him in the pub the night. But I was pissed and couldn't elucidate, he gave up on me..

oh blocker enabled,

Where ?

you download it from the previous link and then add posters you want to block and can do things like this

[quote=DrJ opined]oh blocker enabled,
Where ?

and this [ a signature BTW]

thanks aracer and toys it works great

No more culpable than any of the European countries which have intervened in the area militarily, wicki. Which is most of them. But I agree that its the poorest Arab states that appear to be doing the most.

The thread might run more smoothly if we refer to those fleeing probable death as "refugees" and those seeking a better life in another country as migrants.

Bringing this back to Calais, if British people consider Syrians as proper refugees they are prepared to welcome then a reception center for them could be set up in Calais. Vetting by a committee including Syrians to sort out those from other countries claiming to be Syrian.

Hmm ... is it worth switching to Chrome to avoid chewy's drivel ?

French news (TF1) is currently covering the coalition military effort against Daesh in the region. It's costing about 1 million euros a day, 8000 missions have been flown in the last year, and the impact on Daesh has been negligible.

The issue with economic migrants leaving as soon as they get a bit of money and education is that severely impedes the developing countries from which they came.

However, seeing as the vast majority of refugees getting to Europe are men, could the same not be said for them as well? It sounds heartless - and well...it is. But isn't the better thing to do to train and arm them and then send them back? You can't deal with an issue by running from it, countries like Syria and Iraq need their people to stand strong.

Europe is where it is now because we spilled blood for what we believe in. We didn't all run off to the USA as soon as the Napoleonic and World Wars broke out - we fought and millions of young men died in a process that eventually brought about the creation of the EU.

History tells refugees to run or perish. For example [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_France ]the Armenians[/url].

In response to your edit: these people are mainly fleeing persecution within their own country, not a war with another country. Europeans did flee to the US in all of the wars and civil wars in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. Some ended up fighting in the American civil war.

[quote=DrJ opined]Hmm ... is it worth switching to Chrome to avoid chewy's drivel ?

YES

thanks aracer and toys it works great

History tell refugees to run or perish. For example the Armenians

I am not so sure that is the case now though, some use war as a means to justify economic migration...eg this chaps journey to get to Sweden. Not just to find somewhere that is free from bullets.

I think the context is utterly different.

At the end of the day Syria needs to be stabilized and if there aren't enough men willing to fight then it will never happen.

In response to your edit: these people are mainly fleeing persecution within their own country, not a war with another country.

Persecution by a small minority - Daesh. They hit well above their weight because the opposition doesn't have the will to fight.

Europeans did flee to the US in all of the wars and civil wars in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. Some ended up fighting in the American civil war.

Not to the same extent that we are seeing now.

They hit well above their weight because they are mentalists and they are prepared to die for their cause and fight very dirty in the process

ist one thing fighting in a war its another fearing your wife will be raped and your kids made sex slaves

Most people - without very good weaponry - will just run myself included.

thanks aracer and toys it works great

A very interesting vid, Tom.

I saw a programme on German TV bout the conditions in Syria today. The state of the agricultural areas (drought), the towns (deserted, little left standing) and cities (a lack of everything). That guy doesn't appreciate how lucky he is and should be parachuted back in for making that video.

ist one thing fighting in a war its another fearing your wife will be raped and your kids made sex slave

That has happened in all wars, the tactics deployed by ISIS are not new.

I saw a programme on German TV bout the conditions in Syria today. The state of the agricultural areas (drought), the towns (deserted, little left standing) and cities (a lack of everything). That guy doesn't appreciate how lucky he is and should be parachuted back in for making that video.

Then lets do what we didn't have the bollocks to do a few years ago. Let's bring them here, treat them well, give them food, give them agricultural tools and train and arm them to the teeth and send them back. Conscript them into a European equivalent of the Foreign Legion? Give them the tools to forge a better destiny for the region?

Sure that guys life is way better than those of the people left in Syria, but he states he left Turkey and Greece because they cannot offer him the work and money that he wants. He wants a better life than the Greek people, not just less bombs.

I take issue with that a little, considering the plight of his countrymen and considering many Greeks want to stay and create a better future for Greece.

DrJ - Member

Hmm ... is it worth switching to Chrome to avoid chewy's drivel ?

I find it remarkably easy to ignore Chewwy's posts, I don't need any blocker to do that, the real problem imo has been identified by Toys :

You lot stop feeding the troll, chewky has proven time and time again that his presence here is just to feed his own addiction for attention. Just do not reply to him or engage, he will soon get bored. Its basic GCSE forum science.

It's people's response that buggers up threads imo, not Chewwy's drivel.

I remember a blocking battle on BM. It just resulted in lots of quoting so everyone would see.

I do wonder what's happened to all the women left behind as the male population has fled. Are they still in the camps in Jordan and the Lebanon? I haven't seen footage from those camps on TV in ages.

the tactics deployed by ISIS are not new.

Not exactly what the Nazis did when they occupied france now was it
Nor napeloen etc

I think ISIS are "badder" than most in this respect but yes all war involves bad things being done.
thanks aracer and toys it works great

Not exactly what the Nazis did when they occupied france now was it
Nor napeloen etc

It is exactly what they did in Russia. It's exactly what the Russians did in Germany.

Etc etc ad nauseum. The fact that ISIS has made so much headway says less about them and the lack of professionalism and drive found in most middle eastern military forces.

Saying Syria needs to be stabilised is saying Syria's current boundaries are logical and valid. The region is divided up by mainly straight lines with little respect for geography, culture, religion, ethnicity, language or any objective reason.

Nationalism is central to many conflicts even if the "nation" is just a group of people faithful to a leader, religion or whatever. If there is an answer it has to involve more than just Syria as drawn on the map before the current conflict.

yes it is exactly like that 😕

thanks aracer and toys it works great

junky loving the signature

Persecution by a small minority - Daesh. They hit well above their weight because the opposition doesn't have the will to fight.

I lasted a couple of minutes...no way I'm listening for nearly half an hour to some bigoted diatribe.

That ^^^ guy's a prick.

(The guy in the video! I realise many will think I'm referring to the poster, and I wouldn't want that, oh no.)

@deadlydarcy

What you just said. I concur, every word.

Lost me when he started on about vampires

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"the UK's population is rising fast, whereas Germany's is falling fast;"

"Angela Merkel is creaming off the most economically useful of the asylum seekers, by taking those that have shown the gumption and initiative to risk life and limb by fleeing to Europe."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34172729

I lasted a couple of minutes...no way I'm listening for nearly half an hour to some bigoted diatribe.

That ^^^ guy's a prick.

Its a shame you missed such peaches as "Fetish Toe Goddess of Diversity" and Slow Squidgy Curry Dump"

I only got half way through the video but I now feel like I am a philosopher king.

Stefan Molyneux is a vile sexist, racist **** who blames victims of rape and abuse.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/11/05/two-white-dudes-spend-an-hour-talking-about-how-racist-and-sexist-it-is-to-criticize-other-white-dudes/

Grum, please keep the discussion on topic which is Calais Migrant camp remember?

Anyway, on the subject of rape, since you brought it up, in Sweden 85% of rape was carried out by immigrants, and the authorities tried to cover it up.

Coming to a town near you, so hold on to your chocolate starfish sweetie.

superstar1 - Member
Anyway, on the subject of rape, since you brought it up, in Sweden 85% of rape was carried out by immigrants, and the authorities tried to cover it up.

That's scary ... 😯

Also due to their small population they will be impacted most and their way of life will disappear slowly in future.

Pity they don't value their own culture as their liberal attitude is vastly incompatible with the newcomers and they will suffer in the long run.

They are making too much of an assumption that they can integrate people into their culture but the opposite will be true. Slowly slowly catchy monkey ...

If the migrants want to stake a claim on a region it is very easy ... all they got to do is once they are naturalized (in the context of free EU movement) they all move to a region with lowest local population then overwhelm the local population.

Since the West always preach democracy and majority rules they will effective overrule the locals. Simple.

😯

Grum, please keep the discussion on topic which is Calais Migrant camp remember?

ola there my racist amigo!! bom dia!

I started this thread so I feel I should respond..
The topic was more along the lines of 'what sort of conversation would [i]you personally[/i] like to have if you actually visited the calais camp..'

I'm assuming this wouldn't be your opening line?

in Sweden 85% of rape was carried out by immigrants, and the authorities tried to cover it up.

Coming to a town near you, so hold on to your chocolate starfish sweetie

So then... what would you say if you found yourself in the camp speaking with one of them dirty rapey foreigners superstar1?

enlighten us oh wise and erudite one
show us the way Kemo sabe

Using 2011 stats as an example to debunk the stupidity bukkake you just shot all over the thread. Again.

Population of England and Wales, source: 2011 ONS Census
White – 48,209,395 (85.97%)
[White British – 45,134, 686 – 80.48%]
Black – 1,864,890 (3.32%)
Asian – 3,820,390 (6.81%)
Chinese – 393,141 (0.7%)
Mixed race – 1,224,400 (2.18%)
Arab – 230,600 (0.41%)
Other – 333,096 (0.59%)
Total – 56,075,912

Rape/Attempted Rape
White – 820 (71.11%)
Black – 118 (10.23%)
Asian – 85 (7.37%)
Other – 34 (2.94%)
Not stated – 96 (8.32%)
Total – 1153

So, my wife and daughter statistically have to worry about all the rapey white folk a lot more than some others.