[Closed] Calais Migrant camp- a conversation

I didn't say anything about a bloomin' pension either.

@chewkw The place to discuss pensions in depth is on another thread but broadly people have paid into compulsory pensions but the money was spent on various government projects the intention some decades ago was to fund these pensions from general taxation at the time they were needed However now that the older population has grown and the working age population shrunk in per centage terms there isn't sufficient money in the system to pay people the pensions they were promised even with full employment.So there's a need for growth in the economy and over a much longer term a need for population growth as well. As for your savings well good luck with that. In general I think it would be better if you responded to what people actually post rather than your assumptions. Now to get back on topic.

[url= ]we have room [/url]

gordimhor
we have room

Very accurate. Especially the bit about profit.

I can't believe that this thread, which was dealing with a serious subject, has deteriorated into one where people are actually engaging in pointless discussion with Chewwy. What's that all about ?

I think it's answered the op's question though. If I went to Calais, I would show them this thread and explain that British people appear to be obsessed by money and statistics and are all pretty angry, despite not having much really to worry about...

British people appear to be obsessed by money

In the case of Chewwy he's an economic migrant so there's a fair chance that he was obsessed by money before becoming a naturalised Brit.

We have room? How much room? How many of the worlds desperately needy do we have room for?

Are there any links to any backstory on the poor boys family. ( in the now infamous Photo)
Some newspaper forum posts seem to suggest the father had housing and a job in turkey.
That would but a slightly different slant on the specific case. Obviously the global issue is still shocking.

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The West is partly responsible for this mess, in particular:
- invading Iraq
- overthrowing Gaddafi
- supporting the "Freedom Fighters" in Syria, who in reality were radical Islamists hellbent on destruction

The average man in the street would conclude from this: the Middle East is better off if the West keeps out of its affairs.

Our politicians are now using the current crisis as an excuse to yet again intervene.

gordimhor - Member
In general I think it would be better if you responded to what people actually post rather than your assumptions. Now to get back on topic

I did answer albeit with no reference to of statistics whatever. Just my views. Put it this way some of the points present bear little logic at all ...
Let me summaries:

1. If they want to seek asylum then queue up and be processed. i.e. separate the real ones from the fake ones.
2. How many UK want to take is entirely up to UK. 1k, 2k, 3K ... no idea what so ever.
3. We do not need the German, who started two WW, to tell how to do things. Cameroon grow your some balls please.
4. Who is going to pay for them? Don't know?
5. How long are they going to stay? Don't Know?
6. Who should look after them? Don't know? You want to pass the bucket?
7. Forget about who started the war etc ... that's over coz there will be many wars coming.
8. Since Scotland and Wales are rather "empty" can we relocate majority of them there?

Since we are in democracy do people have a say or we have to bend our back because someone says we should take them?

I remember we are democracy so isn't that based on majority rules?
Why do you insist on telling people what to do?
Have a vote to see how many people want them?

ernie_lynch - Member

British people appear to be obsessed by money

In the case of Chewwy he's an economic migrant ...

Aren't we all?
So you want to compare money? Really! I mean really! I don't even know where to start ... oh well just read the history of empire and all that ... 😯

badnewz - Member

The West is partly responsible for this mess, in particular:
- invading Iraq
- overthrowing Gaddafi
- supporting the "Freedom Fighters" in Syria, who in reality were radical Islamists hellbent on destruction

Yes, we are partly to blame but then they worsen the situation themselves because of the nature of who they are. Yes, the nature of who they are! They need a strongman male to hold things together. NOT female.

I have always maintained that the Dear Leaders should be left alone to rule as they like and contain their own population... but oh no ... the bleeding lefties want to call for freedom and human rights (sinister intention is to overthrown govt) and being nosey in others affairs. Then the govt/whoever heard them (calling to arm this and that) and started supplying arms to anyone who opposed the Dear Leaders ...

You want to blame someone? You can blame the lefties for calling for freedom whatever rubbish they are selling nowadays ...

I bet you they (lefties) are still calling the fall of Assad. I just hope Assad stays and remains in power with backing from Russia ...

America leave Assad alone as you need him!

ernie_lynch - Member
I can't believe that this thread, which was dealing with a serious subject, has deteriorated into one where people are actually engaging in pointless discussion with Chewwy. What's that all about ?

Very simple because I make sense to some except you and your die hard possy. 🙄

the migrants themselves are from many different countries and cultures

[quote=ernie_lynch opined]I can't believe that this thread, which was dealing with a serious subject, has deteriorated into one where people are actually engaging in pointless discussion with Chewwy. What's that all about ?

THIS
Its almost always contradictory and gibberish
See points 3 and 7 up there

Junkyard - lazarus
THIS
Its almost always contradictory and gibberish
See points 3 and 7 up there

😆 Ya, I know it sounds contradictory ... point 7 is actually referring to current affairs not the past (WWII etc) so should have made that clear. Or are you referring to Cameroon? Hmmmm ... very sneaky that.

I have to type/response quickly because someone was wrong on the interweb.

p/s: The media is really going hysterical about the situation so in the name of Michael Winner ... "Calm down dear! Calm down!".

I see that the BNP thought now was a good time to stage a demonstration outside the Home Office Immigration Centre in Croydon :

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/regional/demonstration-outside-lunar-house-immigration-centre

[i]"Croydon and Sutton branch of British National party will be holding a demo outside Lunar house immigration centre on Saturday the 5th of September.

Please meet outside East Croydon railway station at 11.45 am, please bring flags and banners".[/i]

Reports claim that this wasn't exactly a massive demonstration with an estimated 15 BNP white supremacists turning up.

Unfortunately for the BNP the counter anti-fascist demonstration which was organised at the last minute (I was informed by email 4 days earlier but couldn't make it as I was on day 2 of the SDW) attracted 10 times that number.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/06/the-bnp-tried-to-hold-a-rally-and-the-amount-of-people-who-turned-up-is-utterly-hilarious-5378220/

Police keeping the 2 sides apart :

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I think I've been to a meeting inside Lunar House before 🙂

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Its almost always contradictory

Is it? I admire your fortitude that you read enough to form an opinion. I gave up long ago because it's

gibberish

How many refugees/migrants have been welcomed into the homes of STWers so far?

How many refugees/migrants have been welcomed into the homes of STWers so far?

I'm guessing none. How would you even have gone about doing that?

DrJ - Member

Its almost always contradictory

Is it? I admire your fortitude that you read enough to form an opinion. I gave up long ago because it's

gibberish

😆 Of course it is, of course it is ...

My gut instinct keep telling me something is wrong with some of the arguments and with so much inconsistency it's rather difficult to pinpoint ... oh well ... it's still interesting to know of other views. Interesting.

DrJ - Member

How many refugees/migrants have been welcomed into the homes of STWers so far?

I'm guessing none. How would you even have gone about doing that?

😆 I bet you are going to blame others now aren't you? Ya, I know ...

I bet you are going to blame others now aren't you? Ya, I know ...

gibberish

DrJ - Member

I bet you are going to blame others now aren't you? Ya, I know ...

gibberish

Oh c'mon! (said Klaus the fish 😆 )

A number of possibilities DrJ.

Invite someone on the street directly into your home. People are doing this in France entirely at their own expense.

If you have property to let or a second home rent it directly to the refugees if they can pay or one of the associations/charities that help them. I rented a flat to a guy from Côte d'Ivoire during the civil war. The problem was he spent the money he got in France helping out his family in Côte d'Ivoire so got somewhat behind with the rent. Thankfully he moved on of his own accord when a year in arrears with the rent. Depending on your contributions to this thread you'll either consider me evil for aiding an immigrant and a fool for renting out to someone likely not to pay, or congratulate me on giving him a home rent free.

Contribute to one of the charities that help/house refugees. The odds of the money reaching them is fairly low though (admin costs, salaries and overpaid managers and directors) so it's probably better to just give a £20 note to anyone who looks needy or invite them for dinner. Edit: I used to give to one of these charities but it became so big I reckon it's now just like paying tax and it's missing its main target - the very poor.

How many refugees/migrants have been welcomed into the homes of STWers so far?

I'm working on it - http://naccom.org.uk

Not really sure what your point is though.

Edukator - Troll

How many refugees/migrants have been welcomed into the homes of STWers so far?

How many daft straw man arguments have people thrown into the thread?

It would be nice to hear people are doing something.

Invite someone on the street directly into your home. People are doing this in France entirely at their own expense.

Hmm. AIUI very few Syrian refugees have actually made it to these happy shores, so the chances of bumping into one in the street are a bit slim.

It's not daft or "straw man" whatever that means. Grum obviously doesn't think so as he's working on it.

Edukator - Troll
Depending on your contributions to this thread you'll either consider me evil for aiding an immigrant and a fool for renting out to someone likely not to pay, or congratulate me on giving him a home rent free.

Hey, your life and money etc so do as you wish. Nothing wrong with that. That person owes you for your kindness if I may say so that way.

Yes, you are a good person. Your action speaks louder than words.

Yes, yes ... I know, I know to my skeptics I am saying something contradictory etc ... yawn ...

I think the point is you can legitimately be concerned about crime without dressing up as a super hero who directly tackles crime yourself therefore it possible to be concerned about this and not have to personally taken in a refugee in your home. The reasons should be clear

FWIW this thread and the news has made me act

Of course it's daft- the local problem is that the UK is failing to let refugees into the country in the first place. For individuals to fix that, the fix isn't for them to put them up in their houses (which in any case, isn't an option for a lot of people), since they're not able to get there- we'd need to take up people smuggling.

Or, you know, act against the problem.

Junkyard - lazarus
FWIW this thread and the news has made me act

Ya, just make sure you see the whole thing through (support them, house them, feed them etc) and not dump them onto the society once you are fed up with them.
[b]
[u]People are for life, not an emergency gift to boost self vanity.[/u][/b]

Stick to your words and carry through that with action(support them, house them, feed them etc) until they can gain independece.

Otherwise, remember what I said I see you comiinngg ... let's see if you are man/woman enough.

Northwind - Member

Of course it's daft- the local problem is that the UK is failing to let refugees into the country in the first place.

Knew that was coming hence the previous response that "I bet you are going to blame others now aren't you? Ya, I know ..."

Calm down dear ... let the govt decide/process then allocate them to those that can take care of them. No need to blame or go into hysteria.

1. Come up with a list of those willing people to put up the refugees from Syria.
2. Then assign them (you) responsibilities to take care of them.
3. None of these nonsense about dumping them on taxpayer.
4. No you don't get subsidy / public funds coz someone will inevitably cook the book (i.e. crooks).

🙄

If you don't agree with the rigid policy of the UK government get organised and get out on the streets. It was 2 million for the anti-war protests in the 45mins to WMDs farce, that's 2 million who can at least say "we tried". Try to change Cameron's mind.

If you don't agree with the rigid policy of the UK government get organised and get out on the streets.

[url= http://stopwar.org.uk/events/stop-the-war-events-national/12-september-refugees-are-welcome-here-national-day-of-action ]http://stopwar.org.uk/events/stop-the-war-events-national/12-september-refugees-are-welcome-here-national-day-of-action[/url]

See you there.

chewkw - Member

Knew that was coming hence the previous response that "I bet you are going to blame others now aren't you?

No, you're right, the solution is to let a refugee who can't get into this country stay in my home. Maybe by mail, or skype? You really do talk a lot of pish, don't you. Correctly identifying a problem isn't "blaming others", it's just being realistic, instead of demanding the impossible and deriding everything else.

They're our government, and we can't fix this unilaterally as individuals, we have to fix it nationally. The job of the individual is to persuade the government to act. And to convince other people.

Northwind - Member
No, you're right, the solution is to let a refugee who can't get into this country stay in my home. Maybe by mail, or skype? You really do talk a lot of pish, don't you. Correctly identifying a problem isn't "blaming others", it's just being honest.

They're our government, and we can't fix this unilaterally as individuals, we have to fix it nationally. The job of the individual is to persuade the government to act.

Calm down dear ... read my remaining response in previous thread ... (couldn't type fast enough ... )

See if my suggestion makes sense above?

🙄

Not everyone is in the position to offer a refugee a home. It's still possible to do other things to help them out as many people all over UK are doing.

Try to change Cameron's mind.

If dead babies in the water cannot touch that mans heart a few gobby plebs wont either
Using stop the war as an example, considering the war was not stopped, is a unwise.

I think the Poll tax non payment - money seems to be all that matters- is the last protest I recall working and that was direct action

Anyone name any others? - genuine question
Must be something surely

gordimhor - Member

Not everyone is in the position to offer a refugee a home. It's still possible to do other things to help them out as many people all over UK are doing.

Did I just hear an excuse? Did I? 😯

Edukator did it so what's your problem?

Action speaks louder than words then read my response to Junkyard.

😯

You lot stop feeding the troll, chewky has proven time and time again that his presence here is just to feed his own addiction for attention. Just do not reply to him or engage, he will soon get bored. Its basic GCSE forum science.
Other than that there is some admirable sentiment on here. STW gets peppered with arseholes that often make me not want to spend any time here, but then you see a thread like this and realise that a few arseholes do not define the place and actually most stwers are good people.

toys19 - Member
You lot stop feeding the troll, chewky has proven time and time again that his presence here is just to feed his own addiction for attention. Just do not reply to him or engage, he will soon get bored. Its basic GCSE forum science.

My question might cause some unease on some people because they become too emotional without thinking of the long term consequences.

Others can make up their mind about me by reading my responses so I doubt they need you to say something.

Other than that there is some admirable sentiment on here. STW gets peppered with arseholes that often make me not want to spend any time here, but then you see a thread like this and realise that a few arseholes do not define the place and actually most stwers are good people.

Please refrain from calling people a-hole unless you want this thread to be closed and in that case you will loose your propaganda.

Refrain yourself and calm down.

(I am fine with being called whatever but others will give you a good hiding if you step on the wrong toe)

🙄

I think the Poll tax non payment - money seems to be all that matters- is the last protest I recall working and that was direct action

No poll tax. Don't impose your wishes on the people.

You want to help then stick to that but try not to drag others who are already financially incapable to help into your wish.

🙄

What he said over attention troll

Personally I prefer the French method of direct action[ and also our dairy farmers but they were Tory land owners so not demonised]
We have the numbers to hold the bastards to account
Hard to think of anything any govt has changed to pressure tbh

there must be something though

GRUM I mailed you re helping