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Oops. Got my Shimano numbers mixed up! Corrected now. I guess Deore 7200 is now SLX in all but name?
So we're back to solid jockey wheels? Good move.
So, the version with a clutch... good to see the option... but isn't it just the current M6100 with a new name? I wonder if they'll do the same with XT?
After requiring three difference devices to record a ride last week due to poor battery charging, I can absolutely agree that batteries on bikes are a level of care I can live without.
So does this mean there's no actual clutches on Shimano mechs now? If so, judging by the reviews of new XTR, that isn't a good thing...
This seems somewhat idiotic - I can see a lot of mislabelled or misordered items in the next few years. Different range names signify different technolgies and price points. But now theres two different levels of Deore.
a mechanical rear derailleur better able to cope with trail impacts can only be a good thing though.
10 spd Deore 11-36 cassettes has an RRP of £49.99.
HG+ is in a different league in many ways.
Box full of sub-£45 Deore M5100 11 speed 11-51 cassettes, good for 6000+km each; they'll see me to retirement. Oh, you mean 12 speed? Yeah, not interested in selling my arse to fund a finicky drivetrain, thanks.
Box full of sub-£45 Deore M5100 11 speed 11-51 cassettes, good for 6000+km each; they'll see me to retirement. Oh, you mean 12 speed? Yeah, not interested in selling my arse to fund a finicky drivetrain, thanks.
I paid £55 for a 12 speed SLX cassette from Merlin 2 months ago. Your arse is cheap.
Shimano 12 speed is the opposite of finicky. Takes minutes to install with minor adjustments. Fit and forget. And 10% better range than 11-51 and probably lighter. Shifting under load much better too.
On the 10-51 vs 11-51 I can’t remember the last time I would have shifted into the 10t cog on my cassettes. I rarely touch a road on my mtb and if I’m going that fast off road it’s very unlikely I’m pedalling - unless on a fire road decent which is a waste of descending anyway. So actually deore 11 speed 11-51 would be fine for me in reality.
I don’t understand this move away from clutches (that work) from Shimano to a more sprung type arrangement that they first introduced on di2 that hasn’t generally been well reviewed.
a finicky drivetrain, thanks.
the 12 speeds I'm currently running (admittedly SRAM) are the best drivetrains I've ever used for being the least finicky I've ever had, I spend no time adjusting them once they're set up, the only time I touch them is when I change the cable, as opposed to 8,9,10 speeds of old which seemed to require endless adjustment.
No new LG cassette - already in the line up. New 6200/7200 cassettes presumably get the updated shift profiling that the 8200/9200 cassettes got vs 8100/9100.
From what I can see, the 11 spd 10-50 LG cassette chat here and on PB are typos - LG cassettes still use HG freehub and so are limited to 11T big gear.
But now theres two different levels of Deore.
if only they already had a registered name (and user familiarity) that would fit somewhere between Deore and XT
An update Shimano LX you suggest?
I was going to bring DX in to the equation as the natural level below XT with LX sitting where Deore did until recently but then I remembered that DX was just an updated Deore so Shimano has gone ultra old school!
STX, SLX?...... Modern nonsense.
DX was BMX stuff, including the best pedals ever made.
I'm just pleased to see there's cable stuff stil being made whatever the number they stamp on it.
Not originally it wasn't. 1990-92/3 Shimano MTB group sets were LX, DX then XT. DX was replaced by 93 LX just after XT was knocked off top spot by XTR (92). Before the it was called Deore (and Deore XT).
Does this mean shimano's range will now be just deore, xt and xtr?
It's all so complicated nowadays. Bring back the old range of;
70GS, 100GS, 200GS, 300LX, 400LX, 500LX, Deore LX Deore DX and Deore XT (this was pre XT-R and slx)
So much simpler back then. 🤣
just deore, xt and xtr?
kind of theres a clutch & non clutch version of deore
also linkglide versions
also wired/wireless versions....
its a shame in some ways, being able to mix and match groupset components was a great way to maximise vfm
DX pedals, cranks, brake caliper and lever, hubs and seatpost were released very early 80s. I’ve still got 4 pairs of the pedals. Deore DX was early 90s, and the red DX BMX/DH stuff was 97.
. Oh, you mean 12 speed? Yeah, not interested in selling my arse to fund a finicky drivetrain,
Shimano 12 speed is the opposite of finicky. Takes minutes to install with minor adjustments. Fit and forget. And 10% better range than 11-51 and probably lighter. Shifting under load much better too.
when it’s new it’s fantastic. Slick fast shifting. Wide range all usable.
but I’ve written off more 12s mechs than any other. It really doesn’t tolerate any misalignment al all and seems to bend easily. It’s very noisy if it gets dirty. And I’ve just put a new chain on well before 0.75 wear and while it’s running well again it’s very noisy (I seem to remember this last time as well - the second chain takes many many miles to bed in and quieten down)
I'm going to try and create Northwind's Law 2 here: If your new product description and press release describes something as lightweight, but you don't actually quote a weight, it's not lightweight. When did anyone ever make a genuinely light or weight competitive product then keep the grams secret?
but I’ve written off more 12s mechs than any other.
Not wanting to start a tit for tat argument, just a different user experience.
I've got 12sp Shimano mechs on three bikes including an ebike and never destroyed one.
Before I decided I was never using SRAM mechs ever again (AXS aside), I had two explode for virtually no discernable reason
Just lunched a 12sp XT mech on my e-bike having never burst one before (since lack of maintenance on an 1989 Mountain LX come to think of it). Reckon it bent on a small fall which totalled the chain and snapped teeth off the cassette but seemed to be working until my last ride where a jumping stone sent it into the spokes and snapped it in half, along with a bent hanger.
E-bikes are expensive to run and 12sp more fragile then it should be. Bring on the gearbox!
