UPDATED | Orange Bikes Calls In Administrators

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Update: statement from Orange 8th January, 1pm:

In response to current speculation regarding the position of Orange Bikes and the recently filed Notice of Intention to appoint Administrators:
 
Orange Bikes and its associated companies are currently working with Specialist Business Rescue Advisory firm J9 Advisory, with a view to restructuring the businesses in order to provide a viable platform to service our customers in the best way possible, safeguarding jobs and ensuring the continuation and strength of the Orange Bikes business moving forwards.
 
Further details will be released as soon as possible.

Original story below:

In a move that will sadden the brand’s many hardcore fans, we’re hearing from multiple sources that Orange Mountain Bikes has applied to appoint administrators.

Accounts show that even during the pandemic boom, they filed a pre-tax loss of nearly half a million pounds. Trading can only have got tougher since, and the ceasing of their factory race team – announced just before Christmas – was perhaps a hint that times were tight.

We understand that major stockists Leisure Lakes ceased to sell their bikes in 2023, which would surely be a major loss of sales, particularly to new customers who might not feel ready to buy direct from the Orange website. By our calculations, Orange currently offers 33 different models of bike, including children’s, drop bar, and electric options. Add in Orange’s various build options and almost infinite bespoke colours, that’s a fair amount of choice to make – and not a range that the average local bike shop is going to be able to hold.

Orange has been going since 1988, started by Steve Wade and Lester Noble. In those early days it was famous for its race team and bikes like the Clockwork. Later on, it pioneered folded and welded aluminium full suspension bikes. Shortly after, industry legend Michael Bonney joined and brought some marketing magic to its designs. In 2015 the company was sold to Ashley Ball – Steve Wade’s nephew, and long-time Orange Bikes collaborator (he owns the metalwork company that supplied Orange).

Now, Orange has applied to enter administration. Hopefully this isn’t an unhappy ending to the big plans, and the big changes that have been brought to fruition in recent years. Companies House notes that:

“When a company goes into administration, they have entered a legal process (under the Insolvency Act 1986) with the aim of achieving one of the statutory objectives of an administration. This may be to rescue a viable business that is insolvent due to cashflow problems.”

Perhaps then this will be a temporary situation to address cashflow problems? Fingers cross for a positive outcome.

We’ve reached out to Orange for comment, and wish all the employees the best at this difficult time.

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  • Kamakazie
    Full Member

    I think there are several reasons why their sales could have suffered but everybody’s needs differ.

    When I was looking around 2019/20 the Stage 6 I test rode was brilliant. Light, lively, nimble and really well balanced. They were one of the first to balance longer reaches with proper length chainstays.

    On the flip side, they’ve since gone too far imo making overly long bikes that are too speed focussed and lack some of the qualities I liked.

    They also seem to have been playing catch-up on useful features like the bottle mounts (important for me like many others) and bike storage. Coming late to market with something really quite.ugly and of unnecessary complexity that would have been better served by a second set of mounts and made to measure storage bag.

    Still somewhat regret not getting that Stage 6 though.

    Here’s hoping they are able to continue operating, I think the sport would be poorer for their absence.

    jam-bo
    Full Member

    Orange Bikes

    half price oranges…

    crankrider
    Free Member

    If they have such a large amount of bikes in-stock its no wonder their cash-flow is hammered, must be an absolutely huge amount of cash stuck in those bikes in motors, forks, drivetrain etc.

    Covid supply chain issues removed the strength of a company like Orange in that they should be quite lean with minimal fully built bikes in stock as they can make frames essentially on-demand, it looks like Cotic also got bitten by this one.

    If Orange go back to being more Orange of old, (More simple range, less stock carried) they surely have a future.

    rascal
    Free Member

    Therein lies the problem.

    A £6200 bike with Sram SX shifters – straight out of a Kinder Surprise!

    fossy
    Full Member

    Just looked at the Five Evo S – it’s nearly a £4k (full price)  bike with SX.

    Will there be frames ?

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    mashr
    Full Member

    This looks more like the price they should’ve been all along: https://startfitness.co.uk/collections/orange/products/orange-switch-7-pro-moutain-bike-2023-orange

    munkyboy
    Free Member

    Cheap but no warranty potentially. Tough call

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    DickBarton
    Full Member

    Is the warranty not with the place you bought it? If so, surely they’d be doing the warranty…if Orange goes completely then there could be an issue…

    quentyn
    Full Member

    by the way Orange’s website has been down now for 2 weeks… anyone got an update ? i made an order the day before the site shutdown and it arrived fine but i wonder how long their site can remain down and if they can come back ?

    mashr
    Full Member

    DickBarton
    Full Member
    Is the warranty not with the place you bought it? If so, surely they’d be doing the warranty…if Orange goes completely then there could be an issue…

    It’s added hassle though. Buy a bike and have no idea what’ll happen if it cracks in 18months time – not ideal. I’m sure* Start would try and look after you, but you could be stuck with something you don’t want.

    *never had any dealings with them, but never seen gripes either

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    DickBarton
    Full Member

    Always a sad state of affairs if you buy things based on a warranty as you are buying something you are expecting to fail…if that is the case, buy something that is more reliable.

    davedave
    Free Member

    There does seem to actually be much stock at start fitness. Add a bike to your cart and then try to add more, it’ll tell you that you have all 1 or 2 of them already.

    mert
    Free Member

    These days bearings are much better so lots of them is less of an issue

    What? The sort of bearings that you use in bikes haven’t changed significantly in decades.

    the-muffin-man
    Full Member

    Always a sad state of affairs if you buy things based on a warranty as you are buying something you are expecting to fail…if that is the case, buy something that is more reliable.

    You’re not buying a £30 kettle, but thousands of pounds worth of bike. I’d want a warranty. And with the best will in the world Start Fitness won’t be setting up a warehouse full of Orange spare parts ‘just in case’.

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    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    Always a sad state of affairs if you buy things based on a warranty as you are buying something you are expecting to fail…if that is the case, buy something that is more reliable.

    That’s not an argument – even “reliable” things come with a warranty; it’s basic consumer law.

    chakaping
    Full Member

    What? The sort of bearings that you use in bikes haven’t changed significantly in decades.

    Some FS bikes have really good sealing these days.

    But by no means all.

    Northwind
    Full Member

    mert
    Free Member

    What? The sort of bearings that you use in bikes haven’t changed significantly in decades.

    True but most brands have moved away from stupid tiny ones, and sealing/protection has seemed to improve pretty much across the board. DEATH TO 608 BEARINGS. But, I even remember stuff like manufacturers fitting single sided seals “to reduce drag”, absolute bloody madness.

    I’m not sure if this is a “bikes getting better” or “bikes getting bigger and more capable so you don’t generally have to make a song and dance about 2 grams or 3 watts any more”.

    DickBarton
    Full Member

    I’d be wanting a warranty as well, and as I’ve asked above, you would have one buy buying from Start…would you not?
    If something went wrong then it would be you and Start that the warranty claim goes through – either Start goes to Orange or something else if Orange isn’t around. So I think it is odd people are saying there won’t be a warranty, I think there will be.
    I’m all for warranties, they make a lot of sense, but unless you are buying direct from Orange, then you will have a warranty if they go pop (or until the warranty expires) – should you not?

    mert
    Free Member

    So bearings have changed not one iota.

    Idiots sourcing and speccing the bearings have actually done it properly.

    footflaps
    Full Member

    True but most brands have moved away from stupid tiny ones,

    You’ve never seen an XDR freehub. The outer bearing size is constrained by being small enough to fit inside a 10 sp sprocket and wide enough to fit over a 12mm through axle, 2.2 mm bearings IIRC. I regularly have mine collapsing on me on all my road bikes, am now very adept at swapping bearings in ‘non-servicable’ free hubs!

    doomanic
    Full Member

    I’d be wanting a warranty as well, and as I’ve asked above, you would have one buy buying from Start…would you not?

    Would you though, if Orange go under? You’d be covered by the CRA, but how do you expect them to honour something offered by an entity that no longer exists?

    Northwind
    Full Member

    We were talking about frame bearings which don’t have such constraints.

    But is it not just the same as the XD, a 6802? I’ve got on fine with my xd freehubs, it’s not weight bearing after all and it’s reasonably shielded behind the endcap

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    mashr
    Full Member

    but how do you expect them to honour something offered by an entity that no longer exists?

    they could honour it, but you might find that man’s getting offered an equivalent from another brand that you might not want

    benpinnick
    Full Member

    Selling up shop! That does mean that warranty is now good will only for what it’s worth. Hopefully they find a buyer.

    Rubber_Buccaneer
    Full Member

    Not trading whilst in administration. I don’t have a good understanding of the process but that makes the situation sound at the poorer end of bad, sad reading.

    chakaping
    Full Member

    Sad they couldn’t restructure and continue.

    Hopefully a sympathetic and enthusiastic buyer will be found, but it’s a bit of an unusual setup with the factory sort-of separate.

    Who might consider stepping in? Hope perhaps?

    davedave
    Free Member

    Does seem like they aren’t going to just sell off some stuff and get back on top of it.
    Unless there is an employee buyout or something similar my guess is this is going to be dumping all of the existing stock to companies that specialise in liquidations to pay debts then selling the Orange name to the highest bidder.

    I think there will be an “Orange” in the future but it won’t be anything related to the current Orange.

    Really selfish but I sort of hope the remaining frame stock turns up for good prices on ebay or something so that owners (myself included) can pick up spares as the 5 year warranty isn’t good for much anymore.

    brant
    Free Member

    selling the Orange name to the highest bidder.

    I’ve always been a bit puzzled about that, as the trademark seems to be owned by the phone company. I can remember Michael Bonney telling me something about it, but I can’t remember what.

    https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00908656464

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    I thought it was ok to have the same trademark as long as products/services didn’t overlap? So – Apple Music/Apple Computers (though that went a bit weird) and Pact Coffee /Pact Bikes?

    brant
    Free Member

    I’m sure it’s all legit! I think there was some legal agreement about their right to use them.

    But it’s fascinating* that the Orange Phone people have actually got the Orange bike logos registered to them, rather than Orange Mountainbikes/Bairstows.

    *Not that fascinating.

    davedave
    Free Member

    I’ve always been a bit puzzled about that, as the trademark seems to be owned by the phone company.

    Orange bikes would have a trademark for the word orange with their colour, style etc within the business of
    selling bikes and Orange phones would have their own trademark but for the business of selling phones.

    I don’t think anyone would buy the Orange brand and suddenly use it to market a phone company.. but you never know.

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    snotrag
    Full Member

    A few people on some of the Facebook groups reckon they had had some positive sounding messages from some of the staff on tech or customer support emails hinting that there was, at least, some sort of plan in place.
    Fingers crossed there is something being planned behind closed doors.

    Sandwich
    Full Member

    The spectre of Ashley looms!

    brant
    Free Member

    Orange bikes would have a trademark for the word orange with their colour, style etc within the business of
    selling bikes

    You would think so, but the only TM I can find they own is STRANGE

    https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmowner/page/search?id=1313494&domain=1

    benpinnick
    Full Member

    I don’t think anyone would buy the Orange brand and suddenly use it to market a phone company.. but you never know.

    orange telco. probably bought them from Orange bike co. then licensed it back to them for a £1 in order to tidy up the IP surrounding the Orange name.

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    kirkg
    Free Member

    Websites back.

    statement from Orange on pb.

    We’re still here and our customer service team are still at Orange to take any calls or enquiries from the public or dealers and they have been doing so since we entered administration. There’s good news on the horizon and hopefully we’ll be able to update everyone soon. We appreciate everyone’s support throughout this process and we’re looking forward to getting back to normal ASAP.

    chakaping
    Full Member

    smogmonster
    Full Member

    ORANGE

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    pjacko
    Free Member
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