Got any more info on the hosepipe singlespeed bodge?

Yep, no idea what he’s talking about and I’ve SS’ed a few bikes over the years…..

It was a new one to me before I did the training, but if the classic SS fix is a bit loose, you can run the chain through a short length of hosepipe, and zip tie it to the chainstay, a bit like the old DCD used to work.

Very ingenious!

My top non-top is zip ties and stripped free-hubs, had one in anger on a road bike and managed to borrow a handful of zip ties from everyone in the group to zip tie the cassette to the spokes. Didn’t even last one pedal stroke! Sheered all the zip ties instantly…

“…are there legal consequences…”
“Significant consequences or limited liability…”

I think “potentially”, and “it depends”.
IANAL, but am fairly certain that actual lawyers will argue the fine points of such incidents for 1) ages and 2) money.

spooky_b329 Full Member

So are there legal consequences in scenario where a club is run mainly on Facebook with a simple disclaimer (helmets etc), a member of the club volunteers to lead a monthly ride ‘in their patch’ and no money changes hands (except for an old club Jersey run). Significant consequences or limited liability if someone was injured and was looking to sue…

If you’re leading a ride you do have a duty of care to other participants. A disclaimer or waiver won’t remove this. If the worst came to the worst then you might be able to argue volenti non fit injuria. The classic example of this is a boxing match – if you entered one, you wouldn’t be able to sue the person who hit you, as you’ve willingly accepted the risks. It’s less clear in a mountain biking context as levels of risk are much more variable – for example if you were leading a group and took them off down a trail they didn’t know, which was full of shonky gap jumps, that would arguably be a risk they hadn’t willingly accepted.

Obviously if you’re formally advertising it as a led ride then the expectations of participants will be different, compared to whether you’re on an informal WhatsApp ride. But you’ll have a national body and insurer backing you up.

Having undertaken ride leader training I feel like its main use is for commercial purposes, or rides where the participants are very much expecting to be guided. In the context of a general group ride it’s less useful. But it’s also a really good general skills primer for everything from nav to maintenance, and the requirement to do an outdoor first aid course is no bad thing. The main issue is the cost (by the time you’ve added up the courses, accommodation and the extra kit you’ll inevitably buy, you’re looking at £750 or so for Level 2). So it’s great to see organisations like NFORC subsiding this for folk who might otherwise think “not for me”.

Thanks guys, pretty much as I expected!