Starling Cycles’ First (and only) Carbon Frame

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Starling Cycles have made a Carbon eMTB frame. But just the one and they promise not to make any more...

Before you dive into the comments to say how ugly this bike is, read on. It’s more function over form, designed during a research project. It is quite ugly, though.

Press Release:

This ‘Starling’ eMTB frame is a really special, one-off research project that we’re working on with the National Composites Centre.

Long story short, the NCC wanted to invest in the development of new carbon technology, specifically braided thermoplastic tubes with novel design lugs. Versus ‘traditional’ carbon fibre, this approach is more resistant to damage, is easier to repair, can be repurposed in a much easier way and takes less energy to produce. The benefits of all of that should be obvious.

The project was super interesting and helped the NCC develop the technology significantly, but, isn’t complete. There’s still work to be done before we can build a rideable prototype or this approach to carbon can be made more widely available.

You can read all about the project (and why we won’t be making a carbon bike any time soon) over on Starling’s latest Tech Journal.


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  • Starling Cycles’ First (and only) Carbon Frame
  • andyspaceman
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    It is quite ugly, though.

    A hint of irony there? That’s one of the prettiest eMTBs I’ve ever seen. OK, the lack of lots of functional parts helps with the clean lines, but even if fully kitted out that’d look great.

    No idea what system it’s got onboard though. A Fazua or similar?

    singlespeedstu
    Full Member

    How does the drive work then?
    Chainring is on the left. Does that then drive a jack shaft that switches to the right through the pivot?

    argee
    Full Member

    Erm, isn’t the carbon fibre tubes in novel lugs exactly what Atherton bikes have done, but with a much more novel approach in terms of using additive printing?

    Lugs with carbon tubes isn’t exactly novel, it’s been done for years, and for the ebike above, i’m not exactly seeing an ebike, just a weird motor housing without any battery, connections, etc going to it.

    Guessing this was a science project that was cancelled during the assessment phase due to an issue, so a technology demonstrator rather than a prototype.

    bearGrease
    Full Member

    It is quite ugly, though.

    No uglier than an actual production Starling though.

    honourablegeorge
    Full Member

    @multibikestu

    I think its just a Effigear gearbox bike, as opposed to an EBIke – a carbony version of the existing Spur

    http://starlingcycles.com/bikes/spur

    honourablegeorge
    Full Member

    @beargrease Ugly? They make some absolute stunners.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CZEOKBBI07X/

    cheers_drive
    Full Member

    Erm, isn’t the carbon fibre tubes in novel lugs exactly what Atherton bikes have done, but with a much more novel approach in terms of using additive printing?

    The carbon uses thermoplastic instead of resin.

    stevie750
    Full Member

    think it’s a freeflow e-bike motor

    argee
    Full Member

    cheers_drive
    Full Member
    Erm, isn’t the carbon fibre tubes in novel lugs exactly what Atherton bikes have done, but with a much more novel approach in terms of using additive printing?

    The carbon uses thermoplastic instead of resin.

    Ok, so basically a benefit for disposal of old or damaged frames, rather than with the bike technology.

    I’d expect to see this via the carbon suppliers, rather than a bike company though, as it’s all about the process and factory setup?

    singlespeedstu
    Full Member

    think it’s a freeflow e-bike motor

    It does look like a Freeflow motor.
    But how do they get it to run in the right direction with it fitted the wrong way round?

    captain_bastard
    Free Member

    Thermoplastic with lugs, didn’t GT do that with the STS? Not saying that technology has moved on since then mind

    dirkpitt74
    Full Member

    Same construction as my wife’s wheelchair by the look of it.

    Interesting looking bike though.

    bearGrease
    Full Member

    @honourablegeorge there’s something wrong with your link, it’s just a load of pictures of ugly bikes????

    Speeder
    Full Member

    It is a Freeflow motor and I assume i can be made to run in either direction just like any motor so the orientation would be switchable singlespeedstu?

    I think it’s pretty good looking certainly for an eBike. I suspect it’s “proof of concept” right now as there’s no way that downtube is fitting a suitably sized battery and I don’t see any way of making it swappable. Those concentrating on the “it’s just like an Atherton (Robot)” aspect are missing the point. The tech is the thermoplastic and the benefits that gives in terms of suitability to the rigours of mountain-biking.

    I do like the shock mount – that looks a lovely piece of work. ;o)

    argee
    Full Member

    It’s only benefit biking if there are repair schemes and centres, it’s not an easy job, i can see the benefits at end of life, but again, will require specialist disposal as it’s not a case of chucking it in the plastics recycling bin with the carbon weave in there.

    Just had a look at NCC, never knew they were down the road from me, and weirdly i’ve dealt with the composite braiding in another life, small world indeed!

    Anyway, always nice to have technology demonstrators to see what is possible, but can’t see many changing their process when the carbon fibre tubing is done in another continent, and at a much reduced cost compared to this type of endeavour, would happily be wrong on this one, but cost is the driver for most, it’ll more than likely be taken up by the likes of the Athertons, Starlings, etc due to the limited amount of tubing they use, and the ability to soak up the cost increase into the RRP of the frames.

    Would also be nice to have more info on the purpose of this though, i notice the different weaves in the tubes, as well the different thicknesses through the tubing, but you don’t know if that’s for best weight to get the ride characteristics, strength, etc?

    Gunz
    Free Member

    It’s not particularly ugly (as you know) but it’s also not a functioning bike. What’s next, ‘look at this toaster which you might sit on’ please click.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    The Proflex/Easton 857/957 swingarms were thermoplastic, with aluminium each end, weren’t they? And that was a loooong time ago…

    endomick
    Free Member

    BearGrease is right, that instagram link didn’t prove the point, Starlings just look like homemade,chop shop, frankenstein bikes.

    tomhoward
    Full Member

    How does the drive work then?

    Same as the Sturn DH bike. LHD chainring, jackshaft through the frame to have a RHD cassette.

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