Legal advice please – cancelling a new car dispute

Oooooooh! Thanks – I’ll save it for a glass of red tonight 😆

chapeau rickmeister, chapeau 🙂

Wallop, Tea and biscuits have been trucked in, seating is provided and its all served on page 12

Legal technicalities aside, I still think there’s an ethical issue here. There’s something VERY wrong that GeordieMick (or his mate, or his not mate who is actually him – I’ve lost track) thinks it’s ok to cancel on a deal, leave a business carrying a cost/charge and potentially someone out of pocket on a sales commission. You know, the money a person making a sale gets at the end of the month to feed their family.

How about someone canceled jobs on you and your business partner if/when you get your business up & running, and say you should go whistle for any costs (either physical up front costs or opportunity costs)? How would you feel if the boot was on the other foot?

TBH it’s a shitty thing to do to a company and a person, and wriggling out on legal technicalities is just a bit of a coward’s way out in my opinion.

Best thread ever!!! I am only on page 7 trying to catch up.

Respect to Ling, anyone who gives this level of attention to detail to her work deserves to do well.

Sunglasses on – let’s take a look at that web site again.

Oooh. GeordieMick has opened a second front with a full scale assault on the FB page comments. 🙂

thinks it’s ok to cancel on a deal

But VW were over the moon when he did it to them….

There’s something VERY wrong that GeordieMick (or his mate, or his not mate who is actually him – I’ve lost track) thinks it’s ok to cancel on a deal, leave a business carrying a cost/charge

She said herself in the transcript just up this page:

“I can’t hold any deal until finance is in place”

He never signed the finance deal. The car was never off the market. 😆 😆

GeordieMick has opened a second front with a full scale assault on the FB page comments

*runs off to check twitter*

Lings had an unchallenged tweet up for 20 hours now…

Do you still want to stand by this Ling now that it’s been well established by the 3 lawyers within the cycling group that you have broken the law?? No customer has lied to you, you’re behaviour is slanderous now. Maybe your claim of having your procedures checked by Gateshead trading standards are as fake as your rocket launcher…..

Not how I would have phrased it, but good to see Mick stoking the fire for our entertainment like. Very noble of him.

I’m supposed to be riding a bike tonight (novel, I know), could we have a ceasefire until tomorrow morning please?

Is there such thing as a “Christmas Tree” MTB?

Oh – I’d missed that. I do particularly enjoy the post ling did copy on here earlier: “Haha, legal advice from a cycle forum. I’ve no time time to read it all, I need to ask about my heart condition on a fishing forum” – which ling makes the mistake of thinking is an accurate assessment. A cycle forum is a great place to get legal advice – provided it’s this cycle forum. Certainly far better legal advice on here than ling’s been getting from anywhere else (she’d do well to pay attention to it).

I’m not sure I’d ask for advice about a heart condition here though…

Legal technicalities aside, I still think there’s an ethical issue here. There’s something VERY wrong that GeordieMick (or his mate, or his not mate who is actually him – I’ve lost track) thinks it’s ok to cancel on a deal, leave a business carrying a cost/charge and potentially someone out of pocket on a sales commission. You know, the money a person making a sale gets at the end of the month to feed their family.

How about someone canceled jobs on you and your business partner if/when you get your business up & running, and say you should go whistle for any costs (either physical up front costs or opportunity costs)? How would you feel if the boot was on the other foot?

TBH it’s a shitty thing to do to a company and a person, and wriggling out on legal technicalities is just a bit of a coward’s way out in my opinion.

25 years in sales, must’ve had £10k of commission taken from right under my nose, shit happens and you have to deal with it at times. She’s turning over £80m of cars but i’m expected to stick with a £10,500 finance deal just to let her get her £200 commission?? The £500+vat is just plucked from thin air.

In one of her many naricssitc youtube videos she admits to bannatyne she makes £200 a car which is probably the £200 doc fee she could’ve charge up front when she took the order like everyone else does. Like I’ve said, we had genuine reason to pull out of the deal and from the get go she’s been accusing us of being fraudulent, jokers, and denying knowledge that both of us were in the arrangement. I’ve lost a full day sealing with this nonsense so at this moment in time, my ‘bothered pocket’ is empty.

I’m not sure I’d ask for advice about a heart condition here though…

Why? Probably got a few cardiologists, and maybe some proper heart surgeons. 🙂

Hopefully he’d of waited for the 14 day cooling off period before proceeding with any financial outlay; at which point he wouldn’t be out of pocket.

The various legislation’s in place aren’t there by chance. A need has been demonstrated for them to be written into law. From the consumer protection point of view this need has come about through businesses acting unfairly and inappropriately.

I have little sympathy for them if they continue to try and behave in such a manner.

I’ve lost a full day sealing

You monster!

Leaving aside the ethical issues, she did say that nobody works on commission there. The weight of opinion also seems to be that the car hasn’t been built yet and ling hadn’t actually even ordered it yet (unless of course she was lying…) so she won’t have any external costs, and the £600 she wants to charge is effectively just a penalty charge.

TBH it’s a shitty thing to do to a company and a person, and wriggling out on legal technicalities is just a bit of a coward’s way out in my opinion.

It’s hardly a legal technicality, it’s standard consumer law, which from links posted every other leasing company seems perfectly happy with – presumably they have it factored into their ordering process as part of their business model.

So just to summarize;

She rides 2 illegal E-bikes
She voted for Brexit
She has dubious business practises
And shes also a racist, from her facebook page 7 hours ago:

LINGsCARS Santander are Spanish, asleep half the time.

And Yesterday at 09:31 ·

LINGsCARS added 3 new photos.
***UNBELIEVABLE! CAR MANUFACTURERS LAWYERS BULLYING ME***

Keep digging Ling 😆

500!

Been a while since a non-politics thread has got here so quick.

Jamie – Member
I’ve lost a full day sealing
You monster!

`Sorry, clubbing…

“Do you drive for Uber in your spare time?” made me chuckle 🙂

Sorry, clubbing…

That’s better. Dancing is good for relieving the stress of the day.

I have checked and checked my records again (the delay, looking).

I have found a conversation where the OP mentioned his brother-in-law **** would be applying for a car. But I said the application had to come from his brother in law, and there was never a hint that the car was an accommodation deal (ie the car was for the OP).

The Op did request that he was added to the notifications as his brother in law was “extremely busy”, and so couldn’t reply to my system, but I asked for written confirmation from the customer.

“*** , Ok. I will need **** to tell me that. Not you. If **** is applying for a car, he needs to tell me which one he wants. Hope it makes sense? I will try to msg **** now.

Ling Valentine”

Again, I had no indication that the Skoda wasn’t for the customer, and that you were doing no more than helping him find a car in that conversation. This is your message to me, and the reason for being notified on the replies.

“Hi, **** has responded now with instruction of which car to proceed with. Can we both ask that you either CALL him if you require further info or CC me in on an email/message alert? He’s extremely busy and has to log on to his personally emails to get his notifications. At least if I get a CC I can call him and tell him to stop what he’s doing and attend to it. We’re both finding this communicating by this message board very tedious, it takes hours settle any queries, queries you should expect when someone’s trying to buy a car. I’m sure a few minutes on a phone would be easier!”

I’ve scoured and can’t find ANYTHING that indicates the car was not for the customer, but for the OP.

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To add to the deceit, in your big rant on Page 10, you said ” I’ve been out of work for 8 months”, but yet on my LINGO system on 4th October, you asked Lily: “Thanks Lily, Just one last thing, supposing i lost my job 6 months into the lease, on a 2 year lease, what would happen if couldn’t pay fot the vehilce? I don’t see this being an issue but i need to know, becasue in the event of owning a car I could sell it. I’ve never leased a car before, so would I be liable for the full remaining amount of the lease or is there some sort of process with a cost attached to it?
regards
****

So, it’s clear I was misled about your employment status, I never knew you were unemployed, as you implied you were in work… “supposing i lost my job”.

– Ling

I’ve never sat on a fence for so long. Every time I think about getting down one side or the other, there’s something new.

To add to the deceit, in your big rant on Page 10, you said ” I’ve been out of work for 8 months”, but yet on my LINGO system on 4th October, you asked Lily: “Thanks Lily, Just one last thing, supposing i lost my job 6 months into the lease, on a 2 year lease, what would happen if couldn’t pay fot the vehilce? I don’t see this being an issue but i need to know, becasue in the event of owning a car I could sell it. I’ve never leased a car before, so would I be liable for the full remaining amount of the lease or is there some sort of process with a cost attached to it?
regards
****

So, it’s clear I was misled about your employment status, I never knew you were unemployed, as you implied you were in work… “supposing i lost my job”.

– Ling

Not sure why mick’s employment status would be of any relevance unless your team knew that the car was destined for him- or is that question from the person actually signing the lease?

Hello again.

Wow Ling, it seems like the Trump method of using alternative facts can come back to haunt you?

Interesting to see how little regards you have for cyclists on the road when after a real** forum member points out how he is left with life changing injuries after being unfortunate enough to meet someone like you on the road. You do the usual. Just ignore anything you don’t want to hear.

Watch Fox a lot do you?

It’s obvious you think any publicity is good publicity but I hope this thread remains online for many years and is of use to others being threatened, lied to and generally bullied by your underhand tactics.

Of course this will never see a day in court. You knew that pages back but decided to get some free marketing done. As well a insult forum members and make your disdain for cyclists very clear. Well, fine. As long as you don’t get your hands on the £600 that’s fine by me.

Entertaining to many as this discussion might be I wouldn’t buy a valve cap from your company.

Leased or other wise.

** Someone that actually cares about biking and doesn’t create an account just to air their dirty laundry and practices in public.

I might consider ordering a valve cap, but only if I could specify an M4 convertible attached to it as an extra.

Then I’d cancel it.

aracer

I might consider ordering a valve cap, but only if I could specify an M4 convertible attached to it as an extra.
Then I’d cancel it.

Probably the prudent thing to do in this case.

You do realise you don’t need to bother redacting Mick and Simon’s names any more (though I think their relationship is new information you’ve just published…)

I’ll clarify some points:

1) The OP was never proposed for a car (as far as I can find out), he was simply enquiring about cars, which he led me to believe was for his brother-in-law ****.

2) So, I never had declared info, just implied stuff in his threads. He implied he was in employment. Which contradicts his claim of the phone conversation. And shows that every time he writes something, it contradicts something else.

3) He said he was acting for his brother in law, so that’s why I insisted his brother in law contact me directly to apply a car. There was no indication the car wasn’t for his brother in law (my customer), but for the OP.

4) It’s a common thing that family members enquire for each other “it’s for my wife/son/sister” etc, so that’s nothing out of the ordinary. But I always insist on the applicant doing the communication, when we reach finance proposal stage, as it’s personal info etc, and to protect them.

Ling

I dont think I want to buy a car from Ling

I dont think I want to buy a car from Ling

That’s good. She doesn’t sell cars.

aracer – Member

You do realise you don’t need to bother redacting Mick and Simon’s names any more (though I think their relationship is new information you’ve just published…)

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Ah, Ok. Well, the fact that I was told it was a close relative means it falls into my comfort zone, (ie, it’s not just a “friend”) as family members often sort cars for each other. Apologies if I have disclosed that in error. I thought it was out there.

Is it true? I have no idea.

I’ll stop redacting names, I’ve been digging through info rather than reading the thread.

Ah, like:

and “I can’t hold any deal unless finance is in place I’m afraid”

?

So you wouldn’t have a problem if someone was taking out finance on a car their partner would drive?

Ling,
Just take the op and friend to court then.

Your so adamant you will win, even video it. Well, go do it.

Stop posting your incoherent ramblings on here and be pro active rather than using childish taunts and threats in some sad to watch self promotion.

I might consider ordering a valve cap, but only if I could specify an M4 convertible attached to it as an extra.

Then I’d cancel it.

Oh I don’t know, old chap, I’d still buy a car through Ling after all this. It’s Geordie Mick in ‘sales’ I probably wouldn’t buy anything from; with his ethical ‘problems’.

Is he even a Geordie? Is he even called Mick? 🙂

vinnyeh – Member

Not sure why mick’s employment status would be of any relevance unless your team knew that the car was destined for him- or is that question from the person actually signing the lease?

It is relevant, because, at that stage I wasn’t aware he was looking for a car for Simon (apparently). I was assuming he was looking for one for himself. Only after Lily’s reply about losing a job, did Simon come into play.