I also don’t see the point of a centrist Labour party to appeal to voters. If voters wanted that they could vote Liberal couldn’t they?

Why do people think this, the Liberals and Labour are pretty far apart on many issues, such as free trade.

Anyway… what candidates? Just to repeat….

They’re bright people. They know that to stand against Corbyn is totally pointless. Because the ‘electorate’ they have to win over can’t be won over because they’re all insane (see post above), and living on another planet.

Before the first leadership election?

What? Start an online petition?

Well you often talk about not being stuck in the past. From where I’m standing the lefty morons are making much better use of technology and social media than your average local labour party activist sitting in their labour club drinking pints of subsidised 3% bitter.

When I lived in Manchester, our local labour councillor didn’t even have an official facebook account as he admitted that he didn’t like using mobile phones.

Why do people think this, the Liberals and Labour are pretty far apart on many issues, such as free trade.

Yep the lib dems would be much closer to many of my beliefs, more open minded than the momentum lot on many things and a lot more forward thinking

Well you often talk about not being stuck in the past. From where I’m standing the lefty morons are making much better use of technology and social media than your average local labour party activist sitting in their labour club drinking pints of subsidised 3% bitter.

Aye… because thats what labour party activists all actually do. You’re basing that on your extensive experience, I expect

I just did a load of design and illustration work for a campaign against closing the local library (some of it was even online – cutting edge stuff eh?!) by the evil Tories, which we found out only yesterday gas been reprieved. And right now I’m redesigning all the comms (all for free of course) for the local party to appeal to more voters, as the present stuff is very dated, while the Tory stuff looks really good (more like a lifestyle magazine, and is getting their message across more effectively

Still debating how centrally the red flag will feature, along with the pictures of the glorious leader in a sort of Russian Constructivist style….

And you’re doing, along with all the other Corbynites, what exactly comrade……….?

This….

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Momentum membership 20,000+
Labour 515,000

Leadership election result 2015
Corbyn 251,417
Burnham 80,462
Cooper 71,928
Kendall 18,857

Leadership election 2016
Corbyn 313,209
Smith 193,229

Struggling to see how momentum loonies have taken over the vote?

Your right about social media – lamenting today about Theresa on stage in Davos while,they are stuck behind their twatter accounts

And you’re doing, along with all the other Corbynites……….?

You’re confusing me for Corbyn activist I think. I’m merely an interested observer in this clusterf*** 😉

As I’ve said before, there is much more in common with the new members and the old guard than people make out. Everyone is obsessing about the trots who are small in number. Trouble is if you dismiss all the new members – who are mostly pissed off young people previously detached from politics – as lefty nutters and morons, then the main people who will benefit are the real nutters in the SWP, AWL etc.

Maybe we are saying that the 300,000 who would want jc as. PM voted for him.

Daz… what I’m saying is that these Corbyn supporters aren’t active doing anything. They’ve no interest in getting involved in local campaigns, or grassroots stuff within the party. They’re just gobbing off to their mates, in the echo chambers of Twitter and Facebook

In which case you have to ask…. whats the point?

They’re a total irrelevance. Much like their beloved Jeremy

Ironic, really

Meanwhile the people who are active, and trying to make a difference to peoples lives at a community level, are the kind of people who would be dismissed as traitors, closet tories and Blairites (like me) by the people who are busy doing nothing even remotely constructive at all, apart from pressing ‘like’ on lefty Facebook group posts

Hey ho….

The irony keeps on coming thick and fast in this thread, doesn’t it?

Any substance has been sidelined in favour of a lengthy exchange about the acceptable use of language?

Are you Dianne Abbott? 😆

binners – Member

The irony keeps on coming thick and fast in this thread, doesn’t it?

Any substance has been sidelined in favour of a lengthy exchange about the acceptable use of language? repetitive use of the same not funny pictures, catchphrases and hilarious rants

😉

what I’m saying is that these Corbyn supporters aren’t active doing anything. They’ve no interest in getting involved in local campaigns, or grassroots stuff within the party.

And yet my experience of the ones I know is the opposite. They’re incredibly active, many of them are or used to be full-time activists (as I was myself for a short while). What they’re not however is the sort of people who sit around in dusty labour clubs passing motions or hanging on the shirt tails of the local MP or PPC. And they’re certainly not trots. Many wouldn’t even call themselves socialists as they think the label is outdated.

The trouble is that the labour party says it wants new blood and new ideas – in fact it needs them, any party does – but what they really want is compliant drones who will knock on doors and make lists of people who will vote for them whilst having next to no input on the policies. So if that’s what you’re referring to it’s no surprise that the new members are nowhere to be seen.

I think that your confusing getting elected with starting a revolution

Well seeing as none of them have the remotest interest in anything as mundane as getting a labour MP elected instead of the present Tory, or doing anything which would be of any use to the local community, I suppose we’ll just have to be grateful to them when they get around to storming the barricades and liberating us from our evil capitalist overlords.

Presuming Countdown isn’t on

I’ll not hold my breath eh?

Well seeing as none of them have the remotest interest in anything as mundane as getting a labour MP elected instead of the present Tory

Stop being silly.

Silly? Again… you’re basing that on your extensive involvement in local labour party campaigning are you Molls?

Thought so. I must be mistaken then….

Depends what you regard as actually ‘doing ‘ something I suppose. I just thought that seeing as all these new ‘members’ gave their contact details when joining the party., and despite them receiving all the communications from the local labour party since regarding campaigns (i.e.: closure of local libraries and yesterdays announcement that the local NHS walk in centre is to close), meetings, local elections, etc, that none of them have replied, turned up, or done anything at all other than vote for Corbyn, then disappear

But hey….

Well seeing as none of them have the remotest interest in anything as mundane as getting a labour MP elected instead of the present Tory, or doing anything which would be of any use to the local community

Yes of course, because being a loyal labour member is the only way you can contribute to the local community. 🙄

I suppose I’m not surprised, I’ve lost count of the number of campaigns I’ve been involved in where the local labour party were nowhere to be seen unless there was a photo opportunity or some way of claiming all the credit for something they had bugger all to do with.

Bit early to start doorsteping for the G.E?

Yes, because thats what an active democracy entails isn’t it? You turn up and put your cross on a piece of paper every 5 years. Thats all. In between you can just forget about it.

Brilliant. Have a retweet 🙄

Binbins you’ve got a massive hard on for yourself because you do some bumpf for the Labour Party. Get over yourself man.

The Left Will Eat Itself.

Binners maybe you could do facebook like fists in place of the fists on the “all hail reg” pic? That would actually be funny.

Has Corbyn been voted in? We’ve had a power cut and the lights are out across the whole area!

Very retro 70’s Labour! 😀

Binners, you’re in the North. Some of forgot to put 20p in the meter.

Good piece by that other member of the right wing conspiracy against the glorious leader – Marina Hyde in todays Guardian…

Using footballers wages as an example of excess is patronising and lazy

When you subsequently say footballers will be excluded it’s just plain stupid.

Good article and agree 100% but in fairness to Corbinator he didn’t bring up football the sky news woman did.

Still its a stupid/unworkable idea that he clearly hadn’t thought about for more than 5 minutes.

Just make sure these super high earners pay tax.

That he subsequently needed pointing out to him that most of them making that money are from poor working class backgrounds, a lot of whom are black, and that it’s one of the few avenues of social mobility left, speaks volumes.

Clueless!

They get paid what they are worth to the club. With CEOs there is a suspicion that they set their own wages a bit high.

You could always get a job as a CEO and find out for sure?

Bit busy THQ. In the meantime what do you think? Are some CEOs taking the piss a bit? What about codetermination like the Germans? Has TM changed her mind on this?

Yes some are, some are not. But I think it is the responsibility of others, not governments to address. As Jezza illustrated it’s a bit too complicated for most politicians to get their heads around.

There are some merits to the German system but I have no idea what TM is going to do about (see ^)

It would be a good play for Corbs to hold her to it.

TM “I’m a leader I don’t change my mind”

1 week later

JC “Great lets have some workers on boards, the German model works”

Probably some other nugggets in her Millibandesque speech she gave at the beginning of her tenure.

I see Seamus has been binned by the Graun. Sorry, left by mutual accord, I’m sure.

Good piece… in todays Guardian…

WOw what change of tone I mean they had been unwavering in their hostility erm I mean impartial reporting of him until then

The only “lefty” who hates corbyn more than the Guardian is Binners 😉

Replace the words lefty with centre left (#realworld) and hate for despair (#seriously?) and you’re there

The only “lefty” who hates corbyn more than the Guardian is Binners

Nope, Voted Labour all my life, Corbin makes me think we’ve gone back to the early 80’s when Mrs T was ‘demolishing’ the opposition.

Nope, Voted Labour all my life, Corbin makes me think we’ve gone back to the early 80’s when Mrs T was ‘demolishing’ the opposition.

I’d have to say along with a great number of people nobody has won power with the sort of mid to far left base that Corbyn wants. For labour to get power they had to accept that the centre is where people are these days, the days of heavy industry, job for life never moving from where you were born are gone, the world is different.

@ctk relative to US we pay executives pretty modestly. I think Corbyn’s big gripe is with Martin Sorrell as he paid himself £70m but he set the company up.

What I find odd is Corbyn is willing to have a go at CEOs but the best musicians, entertainers (inc those at the bbc) are paid very handsomely relative to most CEOs.