Although I’m sure you will question the validity of the poll.

Well it was obviously biased as they asked people who weren’t in favour, which is tantamount to sympathising with terrorists, if not worse.

I hadn’t seen the one in the Independent – but I would agree YouGuv isn’t conclusive because the polling companies look for balance across the whole sample and it won’t always follow that the regional subsets are statistically valid, but I was surprised when I saw it. The “narrative” from the SNP was very much that the Socts had a very different attitude – but they would say that wouldn’t they.

And you jambalaya, are such a gift to all lefties on here

I feel you should be on my christmas card list.

Save the trees and send an electronic one if you must 🙂

People here seem to need a Pantomime villian and so it’s all good fun really. Ignoring me means you all get to blame the right wing press and political donations etc for things you don’t like rather than acknowledge theyre are compelling counter arguments.

@kona – JC said all the deaths where the result of … therefore included Henning

@tmh, all well, here in Paris partly so Mrs B can vote in the regional elections – looks like first round will be 30% FN, 30% UMP, 20% PS so the socilaists are unlikely to make it into the second round next week in many of the new super-districts. Then winners will be decided not least based upon whether socialists will vote for the UMP to keep FN out. FN predicted to win Calais and Provence at least. Pretty stunning in one of Europes most left leaning countries.

It is. You can’t simply confirm or refute an argument based on the credibility of the person stating it.

I have a nigerian uncle who just needs your help e-mail on its way.

rich-mars – Member
But who are the trolls?

The ones with the bloody great planks in their eyes – the chief and his posse have their favourite well in truly in their sights at the moment, despite pretending to ignore him. Sad, but hardly new. Always someone to pick on.

Thanks for the biblical reference

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Glad you are above all the playing the man stuff.

As for pretending to ignore well really THM oh the irony. 😆

Another THM standard response aka ‘If you can’t win an argument, just dismiss everyone in it as beneath you’.

People here seem to need a Pantomime villian and so it’s all good fun really.

That’s a pretty obvious admission of trolling ^^^^ (which is against the forum rules might I remind you 😉 ).

And yes I try and ignore him (because of the constant trolling and refusal to accept factual evidence) but sometimes I end up seeing bits of his posts here and there. Not got round to doing the killfile thing yet.

@ernie, I have a rule never to troll, I certainly don’t bother to try and dress up my posts in political correctness though.

@footflaps I think in 3 years you could count the arguments I’ve lost / been on the losing side here on the fingers of one hand, ie 4 or less 🙂 i can’t think of a single one either where anyone has posted facts to prove me wrong. I suspect the EU referendum I’ll come oit on the wrong side of in 2017, lets see but the Remain posters here have the upper hand result wise I think

Back to one of my favourites from 18 months ago which was that immigration would be a serious election issue and that UKIP wouod be a threat to the left. As I’m watching the results show in the French regional elections we have in Calais an area historically PS (left wing – Hollande) the first round results are

FN 40.7% (Le-Pen)
UMP 25% (Sarkozy)
PS 18%

So The socialists are out and unless their voters vote for “Sarkozy” in the run-off Le Pen will win (which was predicted befire the September attacks). They look elsewhere too.

outofbreath – Member

It is. You can’t simply confirm or refute an argument based on the credibility of the person stating it.

…but even if it wasn’t playing the man rather than the argument isn’t very nice

You seem to misunderstand what happened there. Jamba told a blatant lie, which was refuted almost immediately with transcripts and video of what Corbyn actually said. Pointing out someone’s lies is neither an ad hom or playing the man.

@ernie, I have a rule never to troll

That’s very interesting I’m sure, but I have never accused you of trolling so I don’t know why you feel the need to tell me.

You seem to misunderstand what happened there.

You’re going to have to post the words I said that make it ‘seem’ that way because I can’t see anything. I said trolls use the ad hom a lot and I defended the idea that the as hom fallacy is an err, fallacy.

Wasn’t any misunderstanding in the words you quoted by me.

Ah, so you were just making a random observation about ad hom attacks, not referring to anything in particular? REason I ask is, looking over the last bit of the thread, I can’t see what else you could be depicting as ad homs…

Mr Corbyn, who was speaking at a Stop The War rally, said: “I am pleased that we started with a period of silence for Alan Henning and all those others that have died in this appalling conflict.
“Because we have to remember them and remember that the price of war, the price of intervention, the price of jingoism is somebody else’s son and somebody else’s daughter either being killed or being killed by somebody else.”

Okay, well, let’s take it one step at a time. Is it true or false that

Corbyn [said] that [Henning’s] death was the “result of warmongering and jingo-ism”?

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@kona – JC said all the deaths where the result of … therefore included Henning

Do you genuinely not understand the meaning of those words or do you just think you can brazen it out? 😀

My mistake in these regional elecrions any party wth 12.5% makes fhe run off (unlike Presidential elections which are onky the top 2). Still left are so far back its hard to imagine they can recover

More preliminary results in and previously left wing areas have them relegated to third in all except Brittany.

A real lesson for Labour, and indeed Tories, here as in 2007 Front Nationale polled just 7%, they are now at 35-40%

I have a rule never to troll, I certainly don’t bother to try and dress up my posts in political correctness though.

@footflaps I think in 3 years you could count the arguments I’ve lost / been on the losing side here on the fingers of one hand, ie 4 or less i can’t think of a single one either where anyone has posted facts to prove me wrong.

Brilliant and of course not just like I have a rule never to copy and paste. 😆

There Is one on this thread of you being wrong but as KB notes you brazen it out so they dont just count.

Once I realised what you were up to I have really started to appreciate what you do.

, I can’t see what else you could be depicting as ad homs…

You think the most ad hom-esque thing this thread is someone pointing out a fake quote?

Do you know what ad him means?

I did say “the last bit of the thread”. Though for some mysterious reason you decided to cut that off when you quoted me.

Just explain why you think pointing out an incorrect quote is an ad hom.

What about the Alistair Carmichael thread,where you insisted NS had backed Cameron,despite the fact she clearly didn’t or the thread you started to abuse Alex Salmond for giving most of his salary to charity? If that is your idea of a win,the bar must be set really low.

outofbreath – Member

Just explain why you think pointing out an incorrect quote is an ad hom.

I don’t.

Northwind- member

Pointing out someone’s lies is neither an ad hom or playing the man.

See?

@kona, I’m with the Telegragph on this one, not “brazening” anything out. I’m with the Guardian and Tristan Hunt on the Stop the War lot as I posted on the Syria thread. I’d see that as clear political neutrality in terms of source.

In no way shape or form would I ever see the murder of a volunteer aid worker as having equal status to his murderer or any other IS militant, not in any regard. So as I said I’m with the Telegrapgh the remarks where disgraceful.

I see Corbyn has been getting the message in that he Tweeted very promptly after the terrorist stabbing to say it was shocking and his thoughts where with the victim. He skipped the sympathy for the attacker and his motives and skipped blaming jingo-ism.

Bit random to cite it in a response to a post about ad homs then.

In no way shape or form would I ever see the murder of a volunteer aid worker as having equal status to his murderer or any other IS militant, not in any regard. So as I said I’m with the Telegrapgh the remarks where disgraceful.

I think I’m actually going to chalk it up to comprehension problems rather than brass neck.

@footflaps I think in 3 years you could count the arguments I’ve lost / been on the losing side here on the fingers of one hand, ie 4 or less

Alternatively, you could have a poor memory, inability to count, or extreme reluctance to admit when you’re wrong.

FN 40.7% (Le-Pen)
UMP 25% (Sarkozy)
PS 18%

What can we compare the modern FN to? UKIP or the BNP?

A good question, the old FN of 10 years ago it would have been the BNP, now its much more mainstream with a mix of UKIP style nationalistic and socialistic policies. Opponents try to protray FN (and UKIP) as extreme right wing parties but their strategy is far braoder than that. FN have made their bigggest gains in areas which have traditionally voted for the left. In the local elections last year they won councils which had previously been communist as voters switched.

My only rationale for making the comparisons is to point out that underestimating such a threat and/or assuming it will only hurt the traditional right wing parties is a mistake. FN is really hurting the left wing vote

So what happens in France must happen here 😕

Alternatively, you could have a poor memory, inability to count, or extreme reluctance to admit when you’re wrong.

@ransos its hard to be wrong in an argument about politics as numerous different views are perfectly legitimate. As I keep posting in numerous discussions here I have been defending the status-quo, the current government or international positions. That’s not popular on STW political threads where the make up of regular posters does not reflect broader public opinion and votong intentions. There was that “did you vote Tory and why” thread and many posters said yes and the vast majority of them don’t post regularly or at all on these political threads.

If Labour want to form a government Corbyn was absolutely the wrong choice, that’s somehting recognised by pretty much all of the senior figures, past and present, in the Labour party. Aside from his Trotskiest policies he never conducted his political career as anyhtung but a protest politician, he took no regard with his statements amd his actions as he never expected to be a leader. As such his cupboard is jam packed with skeletons. As a rebel and political outsider he has very little political support amongst MPs. Having the name badge saying “leader” doesnt mean you are automatically in charge

the vast majority of them don’t post regularly or at all on these political threads.

The anonymity of that thread allowed them to do so without feeling public embarrassment. 🙂

jambalaya – Member

i can’t think of a single one either where anyone has posted facts to prove me wrong.[/b]

At least twice in this thread alone 😆

@ransos its hard to be wrong in an argument about politics as numerous different views are perfectly legitimate.

You appear to be responding to something I haven’t said. But anyway, you keep telling yourself that.

@ransos its hard to be wrong in an argument about politics as numerous different views are perfectly legitimate.

But it’s very easy to post a pack of lies. As you consistently prove.

If Labour want to form a government Corbyn was absolutely the wrong choice, that’s somehting recognised by pretty much all of the senior figures, past and present, in the Labour party.

So democracy is an illusion then, that’s what you’re saying effectively?

@ransos its hard to be wrong in an argument about politics as numerous different views are perfectly legitimate.

One cannot have views on facts and views at odds with what he said are not opinions they are just a sign of “comprehension fail/ stupidity/bias

This is something you fail to understand and then just tell us all how you are alway correct

How many folk are calling you a liar? It may be water of a ducks bath but i am nit sure how many folk need to do it to get you to reflect on the drivel you post on here

Its almost like you wear it a sa badge that numerous folk are basically just saying liar . They are right what you say and what the facts really are are rarely even fleetingly related as this thread and your crass comments on the flooding shows

I dont expect you to change but the reaction is because what you say is often factually wrong and for you to say you are never wrong is either top trolling or desperately., desperately tragic

I suspect ignore your shit and letting grown up chat may be the best response here

jambalaya – Member
I think in 3 years you could count the arguments I’ve lost / been on the losing side here on the fingers of one hand, ie 4 or less

That is wonderful! 😆

So democracy is an illusion then, that’s what you’re saying effectively?

No he is not, his sentence has a condition and it has to be read in the context of that condition.

Aside from his Trotskiest policies he never conducted his political career as anyhtung but a protest politician

1) which exactly are Corbyn’s Trotskyite policies?

2) Corbyn is regarded as having been one of the best and most responsive constituency MPs out there. (Let’s face it, it’s not like ministerial positions have ever taken up much of his time). Do you think that is merely being a protect politician? George Galloway I would consider to be a classic protest politician of no substance.

which exactly are Corbyn’s Trotskyite policies?

The non Leninist ones.

And presumably not the ones that he espouses in his regular Morning Star column.

To be fair I doubt that jambalaya really knows what he means by “Trotskiest policies”, and simply used the term because he has seen Trotskyist being used as an insult and derogatory term in newspapers such as the Telegraph and Daily Mail.