[Closed] Conservative coalition with DUP.....

Some people will jump into bed with anyone,if they're desperate enough.

Gonna make for an 'interesting' few years...

Could have a disastrous effect on the peace agreement in NI.

It's going to be very amusing when the good people of Great Britain find what the DUP are about.

Some people will jump into bed with anyone, if they're desperate enough

Yes indeed, 'Labour' supporters did genuinely just try and vote in a Marxist chancellor. 😆 What could possibly have gone wrong 😮

Traditionally, Marxists seize control rather than being elected so yep you're absolutely right, it all depends how deluded/loony/desperate you are.

So terrorist supporters like Peter Robinson,are to be preferred to peaceful marxists ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Resistance

Don't forget the upstanding Arlene currently embroiled in a corruption investigation at home - why wouldn't you want them holding Tories hostage!
Absolutely batshit mental times ahead 🙁

She is not going to last.

I don't think that whoever replaces her - probably the Johnson buffoon, will find the arrangement tenable.

There'll be another election in six months.

I am imagining the 1922 Comittee channelling Woody Allen.

"Oh that's just great. We're dead and she's talking about wheat..."

Oh good yet another thread discussing same issues. There is plenty on the DUP in this one

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/election-predictions-whats-yours

Welcome to coalition politics

Like the sound of dup already, apart from the abortion bit, that's got me out of a sticky situation before.

Welcome to coalition politics

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^ They're better at mural painting than they are at photoshop 🙂

Mrs little-pengelly sounds a right charmer.

Do you think they'll sit down and have cosy chats with Ruth Davidson

She will be at the wedding...as long as it is not a Sunday 😉

Why do the RW like enfht ignore a debate on the tories and the DUP and just attack labour?
Plenty of threads for that but could you engage with the topic being discussed - we all know what your views are on labour and i would have thought you were giddy with excitement about this coalition

It wont last for a variety of reason ranging from
1. May is weak
2. DUP will ask for too high a price as they dont do compromise
3. Moderate one nations tories will feel dirty
4. Majority is thread bare so she has to lose at some point - no votes when ministers are away or MPs ill for example
5. Press are turning on her
6. Brexit is even more of a mess given the DUP confused and unworkable stance on the issue

My view May was so desperate to hang on to power she got in bed with a party that will annoy much of her own party and destroy the Peace in NI. The later is the far more serious long term issue here

That said i did not see any other option for her other than resigning and calling a new GE and that would have been even worse [ short term] for her and the Tories

What a bunch of anti abortion, anti gay rights, climate change denying bigots. Way to go

THe DUP or the Tories? 😆

Given that miss Davidson is to marry an Irish Catholic from the south I really don't see them being happy sit downs.

This'll be her last gasp I reckon. Stupid.

it is but it was alos her only option toher than a resignation and new election both for the tories and the country

the later is , in the short term, far worse for the tories but may have been the better option in the long run.

I very much doubt she has the skill to unite the party now and especially when she is propped up by them

My only hope, and its nothing but hope, is that the Peace in NI prevails despite this but i do not see how this can come to pass.

Maybe this coalition will do for the DUP what the last did for the libdems

Surely it's in breach of the Good Friday agreement?

How can the Government be impartial now?

Imagine if Corbyn had needed the Sinn Fein MP's to form a government and had proposed a coalition with them? Imagine the shrieks from the Maybot!

[quote=onehundredthidiot ]Maybe this coalition will do for the DUP what the last did for the libdems

It might (help) do for the Tories if they end up having to hold another GE - and it seems likely that they will have to at some point. Though on reflection it seems they had no good options - fundamentally if they can't get a queens speech passed then they either have to hand over to Labour or call another election. It might just be possible they could get a queens speech passed without DUP support, but if not the DUP they would then be relying on support from parties who don't naturally support them (at least for them not to vote against it).

So the possible options:
1) call another GE - bad, bad, bad for the Tories (in the short term)
2) attempt to pass a queens speech without any formal support from another party - a big, big gamble, one which is likely to backfire and force one of the other options anyway
3) tell JC to get on with it - the worst possible option in the opinion of those in control of the Tories (though he might also struggle to get a queens speech passed, even calling in all likely support)
4) get the support of somebody other than the DUP - seems incredibly unlikely
5) make a deal with the DUP

Looking at that list of possibilities, they probably picked the only possible option for them to retain power, at least for a little while. In the medium term they may end up wishing they'd just called another GE and got the pain out of the way without damaging themselves further.

I can still get almost 2/1 against another GE this year - what am I missing? Will the DUP alliance really last that long?

I have no idea what you are missing - might not be enough time [ for it to collapse]???? I reckon it will last less than 12 mths - whether another GE by 01/01/18 then or not I am less sure as I think say 8 weeks to stab her in the back - 4 weeks for a new leader say another 12 weeks for the coalition to collapse and new election - time is tight IMHO for this year

We know they will fall out its just hard to predict when and over what and how many Commons defeats before they get sick of it all. A majority of 2* is going to be hard to defend and plenty of scope for rebel tories to annoy her especially as they know it wont impact on them long term as she will be gone

* Ken clarke will oppose Brexit for example so that is now 1 if they all turn up and no one is ill Who is the female MP who hates May - cannot see her being very loyal either

It may do simply because no-one wants to take the blame for forcing another election. If the DUP toe the line just for supply and confidence then there's a pretty solid majority.

I make it 328 vs 315 if all bar Sinn Fein turn up.

I would expect another election sooner rather than later. I can't see May not losing an important vote at somepoint or ending up totally gridlocked in parliament

Junkyard - lazarus

Who is the female MP who hates May

All of them apart from her clone Amber Rudd

Aracer, can I just say how honest and fair minded I've found your posts on political issues recently?

Ta for your contributions, along with the many, many others determined not to be dragged into the gutter, something I've not always managed myself, sadly.

I make it 328 vs 315 if all bar Sinn Fein turn up.

All of them apart from her clone Amber Rudd

Nicky Morgan who was who I meant FWIW

I can get almost evens on another election either this year or next year. I suppose the trouble with such odds is that I'd have to put quite a lot of money on to make it a worthwhile bet, and it could be a while before I get a return.

[quote=Rusty Spanner ]Aracer, can I just say how honest and fair minded I've found your posts on political issues recently?

😳 it may be because I'm a turncoat - still get a slightly funny feeling writing things which I'd have been busy arguing the other side of a few years ago.

Why do the RW like enfht ignore a debate on the tories and the DUP and just attack labour?

Actually I was attacking those who voted for the outfit disguised as labour. It's quite basic stuff... you vote for a Marxist chancellor and you lose all possible credibility.

Just spotted this - back in October 2016, Tories and DUP getting cosy:

"In the short term, the Party should be wary of getting linked too closely with a party as socially conservative as the DUP which, as the local Tories again point out, is currently the primary force preventing Northern Ireland from joining up with the mainland on issues like gay marriage.

This makes it very difficult for any sort of electoral pact – which some Ulster members fear – to take place. The Conservatives simply can’t endorse such positions, even tacitly."

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/10/how-close-should-may-get-to-the-democratic-unionist-party.html

Interesting.

His Twitter feed suggests he's changed his mind and considers it a price worth paying.

And his views on fox hunting and slipping through unpleasant legislation by burying it deep suggest he may have another agenda.

Seen a lot of angst about this on social media.

Did people really expect anything else from the nasty party?

As hinted above, the most-worrying aspect is the implications for peace in NI.

I don't see how the Tories can now act as "honest brokers" in the NI Assembly?

I don't see how the Tories can now act as "honest brokers" in the NI Assembly?

Indeed. I'm sure, if she could, the Queen would have something to say about it as well, but I don't think she can refuse a majority coalition.

It'll all end in tears before bed time 😐

There's no way the tories would ever risk northern irish peace in order to cling onto power. Again.

@enfht...haha you're a bit like Theresa 'desperate' May with your comments.. 😀

indeed he explained why he did it by simply doing it again

Perhaps the question confused him ?

Boris challenges 30 seconds after boundary changes?

Will be interesting to see what's in their first Queen's speech and susbsequent budgets.I can't see them putting in any long term deficit reduction policies that will impact now as everyone thinks another election is due sooner rather than later.Looking at their manifesto there doesn't look anything too controversial apart from fox hunting but that's assuming they do drop their home care funding plans-.Maybe a government not legislating for a while may be a good thing when the EU exit is clearly the big issue.

LOL at the DUP.

I know there are some N Irish people on here; is NI backwards/way behind the times?

Can't believe these DUP people, and to think people laugh at UKIP. These lot seem like a rung below.

davidtaylforth

LOL at the DUP.

I know there are some N Irish people on here; is NI backwards/way behind the times?

I'm technically Irish but 20+ years there gave me some perspective. In some cultural ways it's little or no different to Ireland, England Scotland or Wales but in others, mainly politically and religiously it can be very er...special.

It's almost a relief to see the DUP finally thrust into the public eye, or hopefully thrust into it. Virtually everyone I know (from both traditions) is routinely disgusted by their behaviour, their policies and their actions but it just gets no traction outside the six counties. It's novel to see them discussed here with some degree of concern but their inneptitude and bigotry is the reality of Northern Irish politics. To see people on Reddit, and large american forums inquiring about them and to see the floods of negativity (just facts) towards them makes me hopeful.

We can confirm that the Democratic Unionist party have agreed to the principles of an outline agreement to support the Conservative government on a confidence and supply basis when parliament returns next week,” said a No 10 spokesman.

“We welcome this commitment, which can provide the stability and certainty the whole country requires as we embark on Brexit and beyond. The details will be put forward for discussion and agreement at a Cabinet meeting on Monday.”

Statement

We are going to hear stability and certainty endlessly now arent we - have they learnt nothing?
TBH the two thing we can guarantee not happening are those two.
I do like to Brexit and Beyond but only if said in a buzz lightyear voice

It wont last for a variety of reason ranging from
1. May is weak
2. DUP will ask for too high a price as they dont do compromise
3. Moderate one nations tories will feel dirty
4. Majority is thread bare so she has to lose at some point - no votes when ministers are away or MPs ill for example
5. Press are turning on her
6. Brexit is even more of a mess given the DUP confused and unworkable stance on the issue

This, with the added possibility of Davidson taking her 13 MPs out of the Conservative Party whip in disgust.

I'd not be hugely surprised if a few more moderate Tories consider whether to leave the party. They can't be comfortable with this?

I'm technically Irish but 20+ years there gave me some perspective. In some cultural ways it's little or no different to Ireland, England Scotland or Wales but in others, mainly politically and religiously it can be very er...special.

It's almost a relief to see the DUP finally thrust into the public eye, or hopefully thrust into it. Virtually everyone I know (from both traditions) is routinely disgusted by their behaviour, their policies and their actions but it just gets no traction. It's novel to see them discussed here with some degree of concern but their inneptitude and bigotry is the reality of Northern Irish politics. To see people on Reddit, and large american forums enquiring about them and to see the floods of negativity towards them makes me hopeful.

Cheers JimJam.

Yeh, be interesting to see how much about them gets covered in the media over here, and how many people other than the lefties/snowflakes/SJWs actually care. Obviously it'd be nice for everyone to go "whoa WTF are we doing in a coalition with these mad 'eads" but I reckon alot of people won't care, as long as Corbyn isn't in number 10.

[quote=Junkyard ]We are going to hear stability and certainty endlessly now arent we - have they learnt nothing?

Does that mean they've dropped "strong"? Sadly wobbly and uncertain doesn't quite have the same ring as weak and wobbly. Wobbly and wondering?

cant look it up just now, but do the DUP have a record of voting against a tory government?

It's all about stability and certainty, lol these clowns are great

Wtf is stable about a temp PM under house arrest by her own party

Or certain about a minority government with a couple of vote majority thanks to a club of corrupt bigots....

Then in the midst of all this stability and certainty were leaving the world's largest trading bloc, which even the most ardent brexiteer fantasist admits is a leap of faith...

The only certainty is that we're fuct, it's just about how badly

I hope there's another election soon, coz with the Torys just trying to spin us more of the same Corbyn will do even better next time 🙂

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Actually I was attacking those who voted for the outfit disguised as labour. It's quite basic stuff... you vote for a Marxist chancellor and you lose all possible credibility.

Come on enfht, admit you're 12 and thought Tony Blair started the Labour Party. 😆 😆 😆

I doubt a coalition can be sustained between any parties, the record of how the conservatives treated their partners post 2010 show that any junior partner can expect to get damaged by the relationship.

I posted this already on one of the 17 other politics threads but here it is again:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-connects-brexit-the-dup-dark-money-and-a-saudi-prince-1.3083586?mode=amp

If this story can be investigated further (or even if the electoral commission just demands to know the original source of the £425,622) then this government could be over even quicker than folk think.

[url= http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/06/09/tories-to-make-deal-with-dup-after-satan-pulls-out/?utm_source=WWN_Facebook_Page&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Social_Link&utm_content=Article ]Tories To Make Deal With DUP After Satan Pulls Out[/url]

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Looks like the coalition negotiations are off to a good start:

Will the EU and its representatives be willing and able to invest the time and effort in protracted and detailed Brexit negotiations, when it knows that the UK Government with which it is negotiating is so weak that it is liable to collapse at relatively short notice, forcing another election and a new government which might want to unpick much of the negotiations, or even start from scratch?

Even in the extremely unlikely event that the Conservatives are able to limp along in government until negotiations are completed, there must be huge doubts about whether they would be able to command a majority in Parliament to vote the deal through.

I can't imagine that Junker, Merkel, Barnier et al. will be prepared to see a huge amount of their time and resources spent over the next couple of years on negotiations under those conditions.

con-ned and dup-ed again

There is a petition to oppose this alliance on the Independent's website.
At last count over 1/2million have signed it in less than 24hours.

[url= http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-connects-brexit-the-dup-dark-money-and-a-saudi-prince-1.3083586 ]Interesting[/url]

[quote=bikebouy ]There is a petition to oppose this alliance on the Independent's website.
At last count over 1/2million have signed it in less than 24hours.

I tend to agree with jimjam

[quote=jimjam ]Must be half a million commited tories, or half a million self conscious DUP voters because the coalition will destroy both parties. Let them at it I say.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/should-theresa-may-resign/page/8#post-8528311

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Kelly from Sinn Fein was on Sky a few minutes ago. Balanced, reasonable objectives outlined - a special status for NI post Brexit which avoids a hard border. A suggestion that May read the Good Friday agreement. Highly skeptical about the DUP gaining any advantage from an alliance with the Tories. I hope they're all as restrained as him.

Theresa's stable is smelling really strong now the DUP are in it...

a special status for NI post Brexit which avoids a hard border

How would this work?

Perhaps they realise that there'd have to be some kind of control between NI and GB, which is what they want after all.

problem is they want an open NI border and an open NI UK border

I doubt the DUP have given any thought to how to make this possible

Not their problem is it? 😉

If you ever need an example that tories care more about power and personal influence than what is in the national good, then this is it.

I'd honestly like to know what the forum Tories (not the ultra right ideologs, the old school, one nation crew) think about it.

aracrer what do you think then 😉

[quote=Junkyard ]problem is they want an open NI border and an open NI UK border
I doubt the DUP have given any thought to how to make this possible

It doesn't really take that much thought to work out a way...

From what I can work out, a large part of the DUP's stance on Brexit is based upon a single donation.

[quote=Junkyard ]aracrer what do you think then

Hmm, let me think about it... 😆

Good call in a way, as my political views possibly haven't shifted that much, just that the current Tory party has become unpalatable (even before they got into bed with the DUP). Stoner may be a better person to ask, but he seems to keep quiet on political threads nowadays.

TBH i dont mind one nation tories in that they agree with social cohesion and helping everyone within the nation

the problem is the tories are still the party of the rich and the wealthy with policies to suit them and they remain ideologically tied to an ever smaller state that does not look after the needy who it terms shirkers and scroungers.

It will not be a vote winner for the young though it may well appeal to those lucky enough to have stable jobs and affordable houses.

Stoner may be a better person to ask, but he seems to keep quiet on political threads nowadays.

there are arguments for the Tory view but the ones who voice it on here are intellectually weak and many of them are, and the evidence is abundant, very poor on getting facts correct and seems to struggle to recall what they said or deal with it when it is pointed out to them.

It would improve the debate to have some worthy alternatives espousing different views. However he knows he will be shouted down by noisy lefties

Junkyard » problem is they want an open NI border and an open NI UK border
I doubt the DUP have given any thought to how to make this possible

Surely they can just negotiate that the status quo will continue?

problem is they want to leave the EU and retain an open NI border and an open NI UK border

FTFmyself

New front bench

https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/873640647869304835

I'm sure no-one needs a refresher on Northern Ireland's political state at the moment given the vast amount of coverage it's had in the national media lately, but here's a potted overview.

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/you-need-to-read-this-twitter-thread.html

Anti coalition PETITION (600,000 plus signatures in less than 2 days so far) at

[url= https://www.change.org/p/winston-theresamay-to-resign-no-to-the-the-democratic-unionist-party-marr-bbcsp-postmanpratt1?source_location=minibar ]https://www.change.org/p/winston-theresamay-to-resign-no-to-the-the-democratic-unionist-party-marr-bbcsp-postmanpratt1?source_location=minibar[/url]

[i]"Theresa May said there will NOT be a coalition of CHAOS.

She has TODAY agreed a 'confidence' deal with the The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP)

Here is a list of DUP stances[followed in petition by list of DUP previous policies]. Theresa May should RESIGN. This is a disgusting, desperate attempt to stay in power."[/i]

On a personal level, I dont think her resigning immediately will actually help anyone, but I think it worth generally putting pressure on about coalitions, esp after the previous Lib Dem farce.