Yay! One down! Corrupt MP content

tree-magnet – Member

Perhaps you should work on your manners as well? Condescending prick.

Not used to having someone suggest to you that perhaps you don’t “fully understand” something ?

Excellent ! ……….I’ve long suspected that I probably sometimes challenge some people who are normally never challenged 8)

Not by someone I don’t know, in such an arrogant fashion, no.

You appear to be happy that you come across as arrogant? You see, I’m challenged in all sorts of ways during the day, it’s the nature of the work I undertake, but arrogant and rude are different. You can challenge without being either of these two things. However, if that’s the path you’re happy to walk, then you’re probably already aware that my original statement has an element of truth to it.

Of course you can get yourself worked up into a lather over claims which weren’t even paid, but I certainly can’t be bothered

You’re so unbothered that you’ve written as many words on this thread as everybody else combined. I’d really hate to see you when you were worked into a lather.

Obviously the ruling only applied to claims which were actually successful, and if details of a duck island for example, where not to be included, then that would be because the Fees Office had rejected the claim and written “not allowable” next to it.

So how come according to the Guardian (and other sources – I just thought you were more likely to trust that than the Telegraph) the moat claim was also not going to be released, despite the fact that it appears it was paid (also relying on multiple sources)?

The other question of course is why rejected claims weren’t at all relevant if we want to know how our MPs have been trying to fiddle the system?

I suspect that most MPs simply kept all their receipts and handed them over to the Fees Office to sort out what would, and what would not, be paid…..I’m sure they have better things to waste their time doing, or at least I would have hoped so

Except (thanks to all the details revealed by the Telegraph) that doesn’t seem to be what most MPs have done – instead they’ve devoted considerable effort to trying to get as much out of the system as possible. If anything the fact they do seem to have considered this rather more important than other things they could have spent their time on is one of the most damning aspects.

<off to find my portal to an alternative universe where the Guardian got the expenses scoop, just to see how ernie defends what an important piece of journalism it was>

arrogant and rude

Because of the comment “I don’t think you fully understand this story TM” ? Well maybe, but I can’t think of a way of changing that comment so that it sounds much less ‘arrogant and rude’ it certainly sounds a lot better than “you’re talking bollox mate”. And your response of “condescending prick” does sound a tad rude to me. Plus it also suggests that being challenged is a whole new experience for new. I don’t mind being called a condescending prick btw, in fact the complete overreaction made me smile. Unlike you, I fully expect to be challenged, and for people to tell me that I’m talking bollox, drivel, etc. And they often do……..so I am rarely disappointed 😀

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You’re so unbothered that you’ve written as many words on this thread as everybody else combined.

Have I really written many words on the duck islands aracer ? I thought it was you who had raised the issue ? Well yes, in that case you’re right, I guess I must be very bothered by the MP who claimed for the duck island.

…..why rejected claims weren’t at all relevant if we want to know how our MPs have been trying to fiddle the system?

Well you seem to think they are important, but I don’t. And the Tribunal also agreed that only “allowed claims” should be disclosed. Are you interested in mindless (but yet outrageous and shocking) tittle-tattle concerning celebrities too aracer ?

<off to find my portal to an alternative universe where the Guardian got the expenses scoop, just to see how ernie defends what an important piece of journalism it was>

Silly boy, this has nothing to do with party politics or, left or right. I am perfectly happy to defend Tory MPs over this, because it has been blown out of proportion…..get a grip ffs. So OK, some MPs tried their luck, I’ve already said they were very naughty. But keep it in perspective. I am much more concerned about the £billions lost through tax avoidance, and other issues.

duck islands… I thought it was you who had raised the issue ?

TJ actually, in an attempt to make a party political point (or at least to claim that Brown missed the opportunity to make one).

Well you seem to think they are important, but I don’t. And the Tribunal also agreed that only “allowed claims” should be disclosed. Are you interested in mindless (but yet outrageous and shocking) tittle-tattle concerning celebrities too aracer ?

So you’re actually only concerned about how poorly the fees office was working, and not about how dishonest the MPs were? Because that’s the only conclusion I can draw from you only being interested in what the claims office approved rather than what the MPs submitted. If anything, had the fees office been doing their job properly then the rejected claims would be far more relevant an indication of the MPs’ character.

I don’t really see why the Tribunal making the mistake of not considering the rejected claims important information for the public to see means we shouldn’t see them. Meanwhile your comment about celebrity tittle-tattle is just insulting – if Katy Price were elected by the people and paid from our taxes then I might be more interested in what she gets up to.

this has nothing to do with party politics

I’m confused – how is comparing one newspaper which supports our current government with another newspaper which supports our current government party politics? The only important contrast between the two being that you read one and consider the other to be beneath contempt.

The only important contrast between the two being that you read one and consider the other to be beneath contempt.

What a silly comment 😀

I have a very healthy contempt for all newspapers including the Guardian.

ernie_lynch – Member

I find the gushing enthusiasm and belief which many Guardian readers have for their paper, truly depressing.

Posted 3 weeks ago

mummy please make it stop