Royal Mail holding a country to ransom?!

It is a monopoly as no other company can wants to compete for it

FTFY

Nobody is forcing you to use the RM, kaesae – it’s certainly not the only way of getting your stuff delivered. I presume the alternatives are too expensive for you (despite the fact they don’t actually provide a better service).

I don’t have anything useful to add really.

But, kaesae, you seem like an idiot.

I’m not that shocked your postie puts a card quietly through your door, rather than ring the bell and have to talk to you.

I know I would do the same if I had the chance.

Falsehood of my argument…

…is that the Royal Mail has a monopoly – as has been explained to you several times now. If you don’t like them, use TNT, Deutsche Post, CityLink or any of the other lots.

So in summary!

The UK does not require an adaptive, effective, efficient domestic postal service, regardless of our current circumstances.

The UK can infact afford a postal service that is a massive drain on both it’s own resources and the companies it’s out of date thinking, practices and techology cause. Because it’s bling innit!

The UK has a far greater problem in that the mentality and attitude of it’s citizens is so out of WHACK! that they believe they can ignore issues and they will go away.

The royalmail isn’t the major problem, fools that believe and go along with bollocks is the real problem

Enjoy!

I’ve sat here refreshing this thread for 6 days waiting for a summary, and that’s it?

kasae – as has been said by many on here.. there don’t seem to be many issues with the royal mail.. certainly not like you seem to be experiencing.. I personally use them on a daily basis during busy periods with sometimes up to 10 packets per day travelling in and out and have no issues..

100% effective and efficient IME

maybe your incandescent rage regarding the post has rubbed some of your local mail service employees up the wrong way.. leading to your reduced level of service..?

fools that believe and go along with bollocks is the real problem

Sounds like what the UK needs is an insightful, take-no-prisoners entrepreneur who can be genuine competition to the lazy, expensive, slow Royal Mail. MTFU and do it, kaesae. Be the change you want to see!

Hahaha! here’s me thinking that the company was so belligerently incompetently run that it was at crisis point, I thought that they where actually running at a loss and costing us money ❓

Even if the service wasn’t awful, even if they didn’t spend more on claims than on development/equipment, thier computers are about 10 years old 😯 .

They would still be operating at a loss, that means losing money for those of you who don’t get it.

hahaha! they could be making a fortune 💡 but the royalmail couldn’t manage a fart, the morning after 5 beers and a curry!

You really are a stupid uninformed idiot aren’t you.
RM probably has the highest quality figures in the world. They recently reported six monthly profits for this year so far. Computers within the Business are replaced under contract every three years.
Oh and how does over £1.5bn of investment in the last few years sound?

Tell you what, why don’t you tell us what you do or who you work for so that we can all report our experiences.

Or even better, get an understanding of what you’re talking about, or shut up and go away.

Can we close this thread now as its really boring.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13765645

not surprising the mail volumes are declining everyone who has a brain avoids them like the plague.

As for making a profit, they’re selling off assets, normally that involves money 😯

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15820647

They also plan on chucking loads of rubbish through our doors, innit!

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1711730/Royal-Mail-profit-push-triggers-deluge-of-junk-mail.html

Wake up! everything from housing to schooling from the cycle network/farce to local councils and of course the royalmail, are useless.

Change your attitudes and your philosophies, creation does not tolerate complacency or titanic arrogance, all you do with this bullshit is make it less likely our race will survive!

Not sure why I bother – but I will

The total amount of mail in the UK is falling. This is not due to RM, but the fact that increasing amounts of mail has been replaced with its electronic version.

RM has a massive modernisation programme in place – which even the unions are in agreement with. In fact the main source of disagreement between the Unions and the ‘management’ is the scale of modernisation which, combined with the reduction in mail, is leading to huge job losses. (The whole topic of the reorganisation is a topic in its own right).

The RM does make a small profit, when you exclude asset sales. This money comes back to the treasury – which helps stops our taxes going up so fast to a tiny degree.

As to the RM delivering junk mail – if someone is prepared to pay to have it delivered and the RM needs to make money – why not. I just aim it at the recycling bin. I get plenty of addressed junk mail which follows it.

kaesae seems to a have a pathological dislike of the RM. No one on this thread claims that the RM is perfect – however it is not holding the country to ransom and there is real competition in the market. If you don’t like RM use one of the other carriers.

they could be making a fortune but the royalmail couldn’t manage a fart

That’s good news for you, though. What with all the crap expensive service and incompetent management, your competing letter and small packet delivery company will be a runaway success. I reckon you should start punting the idea around the private equity shops. You’ll be beating them off with both hands.

What couriers are you refering to ❓ the only company that does domestic mail, is the royalmail.

As for holding the country to ransom, they are useless, you call it modernisation but I have seen the effects of it, all the royalmail is doing is reducing the service to save money.

Making people collect items, the tracking system that used to tell what stage of the process the items are at now simply says being processed through our network of services ❓

The problem with the royalmail is simple, those who are in charge are talentless, shortsighted and unable to grasp effective efficient management of resources.

I feel sorry for the people who work for the royalmail, I really do, but mucking me about at xmas and ignoring the phone and making me call repeatedly for 6 hours on the first day of my holiday as well as claiming that they attempted to deliver my mail when I can prove I was in, then refusing to redeliver, was the last straw.

For too long a great many of us have had to suffer them, their attitude, operating procedures and lack a ability cannot and should not be tolerated in the current circumstances we find ourselves in!

Interesting Reading 😉

😈

(runs away cackling madly)

What couriers are you refering to

What reference are you referring to? No-one has referred to couriers on this page.

the only company that does domestic mail, is the royalmail.

This is complete pish. TNT Mail, DHL, FedEx, parcel2go (actually, the companies whose services it markets) all carry domestic mail. Call them up and ask them if they’ll take a letter from one place in the UK to another place in the UK if you want.

There is no Royal Mail monopoly on mail, no matter how may times you say it (and you just look sillier every time).

It’s the Daily Mail though, which probably means it’s a made up statistic, or just downright lies.

Our Postie is brilliant – young guy in his early 20s who does his round in shorts whatever the weather – makes me feel like a right wimp when I pass him with the dogs wrapped in all manner of outdoor gear.

The problem with the royalmail is simple, those who are in charge are talentless, shortsighted and unable to grasp effective efficient management of resources.

We all look forward to seeing the stellar job you’ll make of it when you’re in charge!

Why am I doing this? Because I am at work and bored/unmotivated. And because my postie is great and Kaesae has a right royal mail chip on his shoulder!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8297025.stm

Quote from article “If you wish to get a letter collected that weighs 350 grams or less, the choice is reduced, as only 30 companies, including the Royal Mail, are licensed by regulator Postcomm to send it”

Kaesae why don’t you use google to find an alternative (probably more expensive and less reliable) delivery company. 30 companies doesn’t seem like amonopoly to me 😆

@konabunny

Are you suggesting that those people affected by this issue in the article and also the people who have sent them items, would choose to go through that experience if there was any other choice ❓

The royalmail are the only company that has access to the post offices, this gives them a monopoly on the services provided by the post office.

However I would suggest that since they are in breach of thier own terms and condition that this should not be the case and that any company that can prove it’s competence should be allowed to offer it’s serviced at post offices.

When this happens I will stop believing that the royalmail has a monopoly, until then you have one company (mono) and they have an unfair advantage in business and are the only ones that supply this commodity through the post offices (poly)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

However I would suggest that since they are in breach of thier own terms and condition that this should not be the case and that any company that can prove it’s competence should be allowed to offer it’s serviced at post offices.

I can see the logic, after all opening up British Rail’s monopoly to a multiplicity of providers has worked really well for the customer. They could even force Royal Mail to artificially inflate their prices so that the other companies can enter the market and make a decent profit for their shareholders using infrastructure they haven’t paid for – same way as they did with Scottish Power.

The royalmail are the only company that has access to the post offices, this gives them a monopoly on the services provided by the post office.

We already covered that one. Just like DHL has a monopoly on the services available from DHL offices, and you can’t buy a Big Mac at Burger King.

Though feel free to keep on pedalling your complete tosh on this thread – it does make the NY more entertaining.

still game had a good take on it:

brilliant.

Hahaha! about sums it up! modernisation!!!

As for you rararacer and the rest of you, if I don’t have a clue about what’s going on and the situation, then why is it that the article up there is saying the exact same thing ❓ all of you seem to have ignored / dismissed it 😀

Then again in the usual STW fashion, if it doesn’t fit your argument, ignore it 😉

Maybe you should have a read of the Wikipedia page dedicated to Royal Mail.

It states pretty clearly in the Timeline :

2006: Royal Mail loses its monopoly when the regulator,[30]Postcomm, opens up the Postal Market 3 years ahead of the rest of Europe.

You can chose to ignore that if you want though, if it doesn’t fit your argument like 🙄

if I don’t have a clue about what’s going on and the situation, then why is it that the article up there is saying the exact same thing

Well, if the article in question is the Daily Mail item, it’s probably because the DM has a long history of wildly distorting facts and statistics to suit their own socially destructive agenda.

Eh!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511512/Bad-news-Royal-Mail-EU-bans-postal-monopolies-2011.html

Well after 2006 me thinks ❓

As for you rararacer and the rest of you, if I don’t have a clue about what’s going on and the situation, then why is it that the article up there is saying the exact same thing

Which article is saying that you can send stuff via RM from a DHL office and buy a Big Mac in Burger King? Must have missed that one.

kaesae – Member
Eh!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511512/Bad-news-Royal-Mail-EU-bans-postal-monopolies-2011.html

Well after 2006 me thinks

Christ on a Bike.

Cant you read more than just Headlines 😳

Even the Daily Fail article that you posted proves you wrong (numpty)

but top marks for trying 🙄

one of the bset things on the internet is watching people prove themselves wrong with their own links

Kaesae, have a read of this too, if its not too long for you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4274335.stm

Still it keeps us all happy – back at work and seeing how much deeper can kaesae dig.

In summary

– There is no monopoly in postal services in the UK, there at 30 licensed companies just for letters!
– The Post Office and Royal Mail are the same organisation. Hence the PO only sells RM deliveries. Where I live I can send via DHL from staples or FedEx from WHSmiths
– Royal Mail is NOT perfect and still manages to fail to meet everyones expectations.

Royal Mail is NOT perfect and still manages to fail to meet everyones expectations.

…but is generally cheaper and better than the alternatives, hence presumably why some people keep using them, no matter how much they might complain.

Are you suggesting that those people affected by this issue in the article and also the people who have sent them items, would choose to go through that experience if there was any other choice

Yes, that’s precisely what I am suggesting. There are other choices (lots of them, in fact!) to using the Royal Mail. Most people don’t use them because they’re more expensive and less convenient.

Kaesae, yesterday.

Junkyard – Member

one of the bset things on the internet is watching people prove themselves wrong with their own links

When you analyse it, it’s a bit pathetic really. But I don’t care!

MONOPOLY!!!

When you analyse it, it’s a bit pathetic really. But I don’t care!

all internet wins are pathetic, but we all care, or we would not bother posting

Wins 😯 hahahahaha! junkie you one crazy funker!!!

I think you will find that the monopoly point that the STW munters are so determined to cling onto is a minor one and only worth 0.25 of a point at most.

The issues that are important are that the royalmail suck and are ripping people off!

As for the service being better than other companies, parcelfarce and standard parcels, would rather use several other companies than those.

They have a massive network of facilities, which gives them a massive advantage and still manage to suck!

Show me prices for other companies that are close to royalmail for letters or packages from 1gram to 500grams.

If you can I will admit that I am wrong 😀

Have we still not finished flogging this dead horse yet?

Impressive…