William Hague best thing you have said in ages !

Whys it taken so long for someone to say it !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17082433

Now lets not get our knickers in a twist and all wamby pamby about picking on Iran…

Eh – just give them all nukes. At least that evens it up.

History does tell us something – only one nation has ever used nuclear bombs on another.

Does it not take more than one side to start a war?

You see when that one nation used nukes against another, were they military or civilian targets that they aimed them at?

well we all know what happened when America did its bad thing…

do you trust Iran with Nuclear weapons…? Me no **** way !

So if I understand correctly- Iran getting nuclear weapons will start an arms race. Israel having nuclear weapons is fine though, and certainly couldn’t start an arms race.

how can you put Iran and Israel in the same category they are worlds apart in their military capability…more so than most of the European army forces !

Why would Israel attack America or Europe !

why would Iran attack america or europe even with nukes? in what sense could they win?
Would we attack them if they had nukes?

If they want them it will be for defensive purposes as nukes will hardly let them take over the world

FFS North Korea has then and they are more extreme and isolated than Iran

The speech is just to set the scene and make us all scared of this to win the public over to make the war acceptable and many will buy into this. We cannot attack them if there is nothing as dossier wont work this time when they attacked the axis of evil…it is about that credible this time.

If [the Iranians] obtain nuclear weapons capability, then I think other nations across the Middle East will want to develop nuclear weapons.

“And so, the most serious round of nuclear proliferation since nuclear weapons were invented would have begun with all the destabilising effects in the Middle East.”
well Israel has them and this did not happen.

no mention of the fact some nation are killing their scientist …what would we do if Iran did this?

It’s getting a bit boring now with all those talks …

I suggest they all stop pussy footing and start nuking each other to reduce human population.

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unfitgeezer – Member

how can you put Iran and Israel in the same category they are worlds apart in their military capability…more so than most of the European army forces !

And the relevance of this is…

I thought nuclear weapons were “instruments of peace” ?

That’s the excuse we’ve always been given to justify our nuclear weapons, ie, no one will attack us because we have nuclear weapons.

As mentioned, Israel has nuclear weapons – although William Hague seems to think there will only be nuclear weapons in the region if Iraq develops them.

Also as mentioned, if Iraq’s alleged nuclear ambitions could plunge the Middle East into “a new Cold War”, and Hague really believes that “If [the Iranians] obtain nuclear weapons capability, then I think other nations across the Middle East will want to develop nuclear weapons”, then exactly the same can be said of Israel’s nuclear weapons.

In fact I think even more so – many countries in Middle East fear Israel. Whilst in contrast the Islamic Republic of Iran had never attacked anyone.

If there is one country in the region which is likely to cause a new Cold War and encourage other countries develop nuclear weapons, then it’s Israel. It’s time to disarm Israel of its illegal nuclear weapons, for the sake of regional and global peace – no doubt about it.

Or failing that, another country in the region needs to develop nuclear weapons to stop the possibility of Israel ever using them. You know, to maintain a nuclear balance which keeps the peace – as it’s kept the peace for us.

Israel is the only country in the world who’s nuclear weapons do not exist to stop a nuclear attack – it is not threaten by any nuclear armed country. So if Israel’s nuclear weapons are not to deter a nuclear attack, then what are they for ? The conclusion left is that they exist in case Israel wants to use them as offensive weapons – not as nuclear deterrent.

Furthermore, Israel is the only nuclear armed country in the world who denies having nuclear weapons, indeed it will imprison its own citizens if they dare to tell the world the truth. And yet the whole point of having nuclear weapons is precisely that you are able to boast to the world that you have them – that’s how the “nuclear deterrent” works, otherwise, there is no deterrent – obviously.

Time to disarm Israel of its illegal nuclear weapons.

Israel’s illegal nuclear weapons are a menace to regional and global peace.

What was the question about Iran again ?

if you look at the middle east, one country is by far the most likely to start a war & that country is israel, not iran sadly.

I blame France. When I was a student in Grenoble in 1978 I used to knock around with a bunch of Iranians who were charming, hospitable and very good friends. They were there at the invitation of the French Government studying at Grenoble’s Centre D’Etudes Nucleaires. Go figure.

1978? That would be when the CIA backed dictator Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was controlling Iran then?

I’m just pleased that the only country in the middle east with nukes is one noted for its restraint, humanitarianism, and resect for international law

William Hague best thing you have said in ages !

Has he just given his resignation speech?

globalti – Member
I blame France. When I was a student in Grenoble in 1978 I used to knock around with a bunch of Iranians who were charming, hospitable and very good friends. They were there at the invitation of the French Government studying at Grenoble’s Centre D’Etudes Nucleaires. Go figure.

Maybe you should have focussed more on your studies?

just a thought

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

The US afre indeed the only country to have used the A-bomb in anger, but less people were killed in both strikes than would have occurred from an invasion of the Japanese mainland. Probably.

The middle east cold war started (albeit slowly) when Israel got nuclear weapons. I doubt that Iran would even bother if Israel dis-armed.

i kind of think that a middle east cold war would be far more desirable than the series of hot and bloody wars that seem to affect the region.

as far william hague’s bleatings,i think it’s probably about time we stopped thinking that the rest of the world should be doing as we jolly well say and not as we jolly well do.

What is SO controversial about what is “actually” being reported?

Interesting to see the other Torygraph most read links on the side. Prescott advises Ed how to dress (surpringly correct in this case) and Balls calling for tax CUTS (ditto).

What is SO controversial about what is “actually” being reported?

Hague managed more than one tone?

they’ve sent warships into the med now. What are they up to?

Oh I see Jota. That would be a first.

Anyway look at the weather. Get out there!!!

teamhurtmore? Whats so controversial? Its utter bobbins?

Iran is no threat to the region.

Its gross hypocrisy – we can have nuclear reactors and bombs, Israel can, you cannot.

There is actually no decent evidence at all that this is anything but a civil nuclear programme. Even if it is for bombs its a long way from reality. Its sabre rattling from the US and UK.

This show the nonsense about we must have nuclear power stations to prevent the lights going out then we hare prepared to prevent other countries from doing so by illegal means

all very quick to blame Israel !

Its a pity the bigger picture isn’t seen and I’m not saying it…

Got no more to say…

(it’s cause they are brown and speak a language that has no specific tone of affection)

Got no more to say…

very handy for you

TJ I agree with the hypocrisy issue and even bow to your superior knowledge of where Iran is/ is not in it’s nuclear programme. But that really isn’t the point here.

Hague is correct to point out that the PERCEPTION that Iran is progressing towards a nuclear capability is in itself destabilising for the region and therefore for the RoW. This is particularly true if Israel launches a pre-emptive strike at a time of considerable political tension throughout the region. The cold war already has passed through the early stages with the tit-for-tat assassination, therefore I think it is utterly proper for the FS to be making his views known.

Perhaps (?) the US and UK are actually doing the opposite of what you suggest and attempting to create an environment (political and real) in which Israel could not launch a preemptive strike?

Hague is correct to point out that the PERCEPTION that Iran is progressing towards a nuclear capability is in itself

but that perception is seeded by those complaining about it

Hague is correct to point out that the PERCEPTION that Iran is progressing towards a nuclear capability is in itself destabilising for the region and therefore for the RoW

Nope – its only the perception from a very limited viewpoint and one being stoked up by relentless propaganda from the US in preparation for military action on Iran that the US has wanted for decades.

This is particularly true if Israel launches a pre-emptive strike at a time of considerable political tension throughout the region.

So reign in Israel then? Its Irans fault Isreal is destabilising the region?

Sorry TJ your are correct. It is very black and white. Now go and have a ride, the weather is lovely!

I have no more to say as some people are all to quick to blame Israel…the rest of the world should be scared sh*tless they could have nuclear weapons…

Massive thumbs up to Israel pity the rest of the world haven’t got any balls!

If people want to put Israel in the same league as Iran go for it…

NB I do not condone war of any type nor agree with innocent civilians getting killed/injured.

I have no more to say as some people are all to quick to blame Israel..

go ahead and defend them then, you started the debate

jota180 I cant really say to much more can I really, my thoughts are my thoughts and luckily I can have them…and you guys can have yours…

How much oil does I-ran have?

teamhurtmore – Member

Sorry TJ your are correct. It is very black and white. Now go and have a ride, the weather is lovely!

To you it clearly is. Once again you show that only your view counts to you and anyone elses view you simply rubbish rather than engaging with.

er hold on ! if only my view counts what about all yours ! wheres the engaging from all you guys…

Hague is correct to point out that the PERCEPTION that Iran is progressing towards a nuclear capability is in itself destabilising for the region and therefore for the RoW.

So you do accept it is a PERCEPTION which someway short of a fact or reality. This is the problem they are spinning it as something it is not for political ends. Dossier anyone?

This is particularly true if Israel launches a pre-emptive strike at a time of considerable political tension throughout the region.

We should of course be putting the war mongering/threats to Iran rather than suggest the nuclear power that is Israel does not do a pre -emptive strike…Pre emptive that is a nice way of describing an act of war on a sovereign state…can we go pre-emptive on the nuclear state of israel? Can some other middle east countries do this?

The cold war already has passed through the early stages with the tit-for-tat assassination, therefore I think it is utterly proper for the FS to be making his views known.

Really looks like there has been no tats and only a lot of tits from us …who has Iran assassinated?
He can make his views clear it is just that they are flawed and they are expressed to create a PERCEPTION in the majority that military solutions are necessary to protect us..like we had to against saddam before he attacked us..same level of credibility.
It will probably work

Once again you show that only your view counts to you and anyone elses view you simply rubbish rather than engaging with.

you know we often despise our own worst traits when we see them in others

so all you can tell us is Isarela is great we all blame it , we dont have balls and we should be scared of Iran..but you cannot tell us anymore or why

You are mossad and I deny to claim anything as that would mean you have my information

wheres the engaging from all you guys

you have no more to say how do I engage with you?

Could anything I say make you think the violator of International law,ignorer of UN resolutions, the settler of occupied land ,owner of nukes and carrier outer of assassinations abroad of foreign nationals is anything other than benign an we need to be afraid of Iran ..I doubt it.