Will religion ever die out and make the world a better place?

Sorry lb I thought may upset some so stealth edited 😉

No worries.. 🙂

As my Muslim colleague who lost his brother this week in a suicide bombing reminded me, “From God we come, unto him we return.”

I believe in after life so I want to place a bet with all you scientific minded hard heads.

Well, if you are wrong, i.e. there is life after death, why not bet with me that if you are wrong you owe me one and in the next life repay me with interest? You can pay me back in wealth, watch my back from backstabbers and be my humble servants? Yes? If you are right then we are all carbon anyway so nothing to gain or loose …

Ya, please don’t give me shite replies like not believing in bets and that you have a strong principle about not betting or you simply don’t bet in something you don’t belief … ya ya … I got all these shite responses from my Jew scientific minded colleague (how can he called himself Jew when he only think “scientific”? I think he is a bit sneaky yes?) who blatantly refuse to say yes or no to a bet … bloody typical of being calculative with that sort of mindset. Ya, he is afraid that “just in case” he was wrong.

So what you say? I might meet you lot in the afterlife to claim my bet …

What are you going to do for the “scientific minded hard heads”.if you lose the bet..seems a bit one-sided 🙂

Happy to meet in the afterlife though.

But how do you pay us if you’re wrong?

If you believe in the afterlife, how about you give me everything you own and earn in this life
and I’ll be your servant for all eternity?
Once I’m dead, of course.

I’ll even sign a contract.

lazybike – Member

What are you going to do for the “scientific minded hard heads”.if you lose the bet..seems a bit one-sided

Happy to meet in the afterlife though.

See see … how can you call that one-sided? The outcome is simple there is afterlife and there is carbon as in dust with no afterlife so if science wins nobody wins but if I win I will get something back … that will learn you.

Ok you are in.

Oh no now you’ve made me religious.. 🙂

Rusty Spanner – Member

But how do you pay us if you’re wrong?

If you believe in the afterlife, how about you give me everything you own and earn in this life and I’ll be your servant for all eternity?
Once I’m dead, of course.

I’ll even sign a contract.

I pay you nothing if you are right as we are all carbon dust so what is there to think about? Well, you don’t even know if you are right …

You want my everything? 😆 Yes, only if you have not sinned which I am 100% sure you are not.

I’ll even sign a contract.

Yes, that would be good but I am afraid that is not binding, however if I give you everything with sincerity from the bottom of my heart that will be binding.

lazybike – Member

Oh no now you’ve made me religious..

If I can make you religious then you are a very dangerous person as most converts are very extreme and/or dangerous … 😯

Give me everything you own now, I’ll give you it back plus everything I own / owned when we both reach the afterlife.

Deal?

You’ve not done enough to “radicalize” me..

Cougar – Moderator

Give me everything you own now, I’ll give you it back plus everything I own / owned when we both reach the afterlife.

Deal?

No deal. You are not 100% sinless. I don’t want your stuff and my time is not up yet.

😆

lazybike – Member

You’ve not done enough to “radicalize” me..

Most already radicalize themselves prior to final stage of being radicalized …

But isn’t that the deal that you were offering?
Cougar is just starting it in the here and now and you not taking the bet.

I need some new Mavics please so if you buy me some of them 25th anniversary jobs I promise to buy you something of your choosing for five times the value in the next life?

That’s a great deal if you believe in an afterlife.

but the thing that made that person a person has gone, what goes?

What do you mean ‘the thing that made that person’?

As far as I am aware it takes a lot to make a person both physically and mentally, from conception to death. if you mean the personality, ie where does it go? Wouldn’t it just die with the brain? Philosophically if the person was loved and gregarious then their personality would influence those close to them – those loved and inspired by them would carry forward something of the personality, especially offspring. But an individual surely ceases to exist following his or her brain death (assuming no recovery)

As someone else said, your legacy remains. Your energy is released as heat via entropy. Poetically, your other ‘energy’ is what you contribute to the global consciousness, man.

What do you mean ‘the thing that made that person’?

whats the difference between a dead body and a live body, thats the thing I mean..If its energy what does it change into? Where does it go? If its heat we would be able to measure or feel the heat leaving the body, as the flesh decays it may give off energy, but that doesn’t happen at the moment of death.

Its the other energy thats the issue..

wilburt – Member

But isn’t that the deal that you were offering?
Cougar is just starting it in the here and now and you not taking the bet.

I am taking bet alright but with your afterlife principle. Not what I want to give now in return for whatever you want … it’s afterlife ffs!

I need some new Mavics please so if you buy me some of them 25th anniversary jobs I promise to buy you something of your choosing for five times the value in the next life?

If I can buy you Mavics would you proceed with a simple ceremony that bind your offer? Not involving killing of goats or sacrifices etc … Five times the value? How do you know it’s five times? 🙄

I can afford Mavics if they are not too expensive if that helps but asking for everything is like asking the impossible innit? You have religious belief and you have fool … I am none of those.

That’s a great deal if you believe in an afterlife.

Great deal or not is not really something that should bother you to be frank since a scientific mind does not bother beyond carbon life. Your scientific logic does not make sense … get a grip will you. 😆

p/s: I have a brand new hope hub laced on mavic rim …

Have a good un fella, whatever makes you happy.

You are not 100% sinless.

I believe that’s what is called “moving the goalposts.” What’s sin have to do with anything? Presumably you’r not 100% without sin either (whatever that means) so we’re going to the same place. So, I’ll see you there. When would you like me to collect your bike?

lazybike, not sure I know what you mean by ‘other energy’ and I have limited knowledge but this seems a reasonable account[/url] – not saying it will answer your question but if it doesn’t – what do you think is missing from the answer I’d be interested to know. ie are we emotionally invested in looking for ‘something more’?

Cougar – Moderator

You are not 100% sinless.

I believe that’s what is called “moving the goalposts.” What’s sin have to do with anything? Presumably you’r not 100% without sin either (whatever that means) so we’re going to the same place. So, I’ll see you there. When would you like me to collect your bike?

😆 No, no I am not moving the goal posts I just prefer to “donate” to those that I feel are sinless (not sure I can determine that but I shall try …). I rather donate to a person who is selfless in helping others than to a person who is in need but only done less good in life. Bear mind both will have no problem in taking donation.

Ya, I am not without sin either so perhaps that’s one reason I am here still earning peanut living. Going to the same place? Nobody knows and if we meet after the expiry of our carbon life the first thing I will say is … did you frequent STW while alive? 😆

I just prefer to “donate” to those that I feel are sinless

I thought none of us were “without sin”, pretty much by definition?

what do you think is missing from the answer I’d be interested to know. ie are we emotionally invested in looking for ‘something more’?

Thanks for that, I think that’s a reasonable explanation, it seems there’s room for discussion on the weight experiment, so maybe still a small measure of something unexplained. As for looking for “something more” I think thats a huge part of human nature