What will the U.K. look like…

julianwilson – Member
Your local FC woods will look like this in 5 years:

Well my local AONB largely looks like this already.

TandemJeremy – Member
Realist Torminalis. Its the clear and obvious outcome of the ConDem policies

You will see

Pessimism from TJ 😯 , surely by then the civil unrest will have overthrown the ConDem govt and we’ll be returned to the good old days of war mongering labour taking us to the financial brink again?

and Labour profligacy has already done so, and Tories before them and so on and so on ad nauseum. I really struggle to understand why the old guard are so loyal to Labour after they abandoned their socialist ideology and became Tories-lite.

You keep talking about loyalty to Labour – I’ve said many times I detest New Labour for continuing largely Thatcherite polcies (among other things) and didn’t vote for them.

Yes you can slag off New Labour profligacy, but what the Tories are doing RIGHT NOW is damaging the country and wrecking people’s lives, and they could take a different tack. I don’t think anyone is arguing that there shouldn’t be some cuts and real efficiency savings – but what they are doing now is deliberately wrecking public services. A well considered and measured programme of cuts would surely be preferable to the chaotic fire-sale which is currently taking place.

See the Forestry sell-off for a good example of the bogus arguments being used – first it was about saving money, now they are forced to admit it will actually cost money.

The government also has no mandate for what they are doing – both Liberal and Tories have completely abandoned many things they promised before the election, eg both said they wouldn’t scrap the EMA – now it turns out we will end up paying Capita £40m to cancel their contract.

The fact of it is, the cuts do not even come close to stopping the UK borrowing billions each and every month.

As has been pointed out many times – isn’t the best way to pay off the deficit is to get the economy going again, which these cuts are very likely to massively hinder.

We can’t go on like this. In fighting won’t fix that.

‘We can’t go on like this’ 😆 – straight out of the Daily Mail. Actually we can – Britain still has one of the best credit ratings in the world.

Or are you suggesting we need get to the point where we are borrowing no money at all?

what the Tories are doing RIGHT NOW is damaging the country and wrecking people’s lives

To be perfectly honest, I don’t see it as wrecking peoples lives any more than borrowing huge amounts of cash and promising the earth when it is wildly unsustainable. I think we are on the same side, I could not agree more with Tony Benn’s statement quoted by Ernie earlier, the corporate takeover of the UK is all but complete and Labour did nothing to stop it. The only way they could ensure votes was to throw borrowed money at public services, all repayable with interest to the scumbags that are syphoning all of the wealth out of the system in the first place.

deliberately wrecking public services

I simply do not believe that any party would intentionally ruin public services. They may do it by accident in pursuing an ideology that is misguided but the jury is out on that one. Only yesterday the IFS were lauding the condems approach to fiscal belt tightening. New Labour were putting us on a crash course to bankruptcy, condems are making us all take some of the resulting pain. None of it is good but peoples lives are always going to get wrecked when they are dependent on debt to sustain themselves.

See the Forestry sell-off for a good example of the bogus arguments being used – first it was about saving money, now they are forced to admit it will actually cost money

And I will bet that Cameron doesn’t go through with it. As STW is my witness, if the condems sell off the forestry I will drive to wherever you are and buy you a pint! 😀

Or are you suggesting we need get to the point where we are borrowing no money at all?

What an outrageous thing for me to suggest! You have to bear in mind that I am the sort of bloke that will move into a tent to get his debts paid off quickly. We may have been indoctrinated to believe that debt is a good thing but I see it as no replacement for actual wealth.

Apparently Salford will look like this…

http://www.centralsalford.com/index.php?page=content&block=100

Nice of them to put an oval in for the crossers…

I’ve said many times I detest New Labour for continuing largely Thatcherite polcies (among other things) and didn’t vote for them.

so who did you vote for? Just so we can see where you are coming from and whose policies matched you view of life

‘We can’t go on like this’ – straight out of the Daily Mail. Actually we can – Britain still has one of the best credit ratings in the world

which of course is nothing to do with the present governments policies

big_n_daft – Member

so who did you vote for? Just so we can see where you are coming from…..

Don’t you mean just so you can see where he’s coming from ?

I don’t think you are in a position to claim that you speak on behalf of all STW users – I certainly didn’t vote for you.

Torminalis – Member
And I will bet that Cameron doesn’t go through with it. As STW is my witness, if the condems sell off the forestry I will drive to wherever you are and buy you a pint!

*Saves post securely*

I’ll have a bit of that.

Pint of bitter and twisted for me please

so who did you vote for?

The Tories of course. We’re all in this together.

Twisting your posts to suit my own agenda ?

I only asked what your problem was and what you wanted to do about it.

…..I’m not any clearer mind.

Erm, I think both you and TJ went a bit further than asking what my problem was.

It’s all black and white with you pair of saints aint it? If I show a concern about Islamic extremists, I’m a racist and a bigot – bang to rights, no further question m’lud.

What would I do about it? I’d kick people, with the attitude depicted in my first post, out of this country, but unfortunately due to the limp wristed approach to human rights in this country, we can’t even get rid of folk like Abu Hamza. Co-incidentally today, the BBC were reporting on just such an issue.

Unfortunately we can’t deport d***heads such as EDL members, as they were here to start with. If they are found to be inciting racial hatred though, they should be dealt with in the justice system.

I’ve stated many times before, I have no issues with any race, colour, or religion being in the UK, but their very being here has either got to be in a positive sense, or at least a neutral one. The country would be a poorer place were it an arian state – and I honestly stand by that.

Anyone coming here with a negative effect, be that sponging off the system, diagreeing with our own culture, or inciting their own form of racial hatred towards ourselves isn’t welcomed at all by me. Simple.

This would extend to Europeans, as well as anyone with ‘Brown skin’, as seems to be the preffered term of the week, including my own country of ancestry. Fortunately my grandfather made a stand against Hitler, came here and lectured in English & German at Sheffield Polytechnic

I can’t believe anyone would think any different, or are most people afraid to speak their minds on matters such as this in a public forum?

Gosh, you sound rattled.

Copy and paste the bit where I called you a “racist and a bigot” ……..since you are accusing me of having done that.

Yeah, it does rattle me, when you can’t make a point without having assumptions made.

My apologies regarding the accusation, but still, why accuse me of not liking mosques and you do twist what I say and have also been ready to climb on my back previously.

What would I do about it? I’d kick people, with the attitude depicted in my first post, out of this country

I’ve stated many times before, I have no issues with any race, colour, or religion being in the UK, but their very being here has either got to be in a positive sense

If anyone is calling you a racist or bigot, it is because of the sort of nonsense that you are quoted with here.
Why on earth should you presume that the people in the picture are anything but British nationals ? In which case, where exactly are you going to deport them to ? If you want to trace their ancestory back through x number of generations to find a point of origin then………….

Unfortunately we can’t deport d***heads such as EDL members

You’ll find that you can deport them back to Saxony or Norway or Normandy or somewhere.

That should keep you happy.

Fair point trailmonkey, but there will still be a fair percentage that come here, then kick off like that. Why does an ill thought out post make me a racist and a bigot though?

…and have also been ready to climb on my back previously

It’s my “previous” which bothered you ? So you were making prejudicial assumptions then ?

I never accused you of “not liking mosques”, I simply said that I liked them. Quite frankly, I didn’t really know what the **** you were banging on about.

Yes, I did think it was along the lines of the “Islamification of Britain” in 5 years time. But apparently not. You appear to be concerned that Britain will be in the grips of Islamic terror organisations …… I’ve got that right – yeah ?

Apologies for me not initially understanding what your concerns were, and any distraught feelings it might have caused, try to make yourself clearer in the future ?

Why does an ill thought out post make me a racist and a bigot though?

Do you mean –

‘ Why does assuming that having dark skin means a person is not British’ – make me a racist ?’

I think that’s fairly easy to work out.

Ernie

I never accused you of “not liking mosques”, I simply said that I liked them

Well I was trying to work out your point ?

Presumably you don’t like mosques ?

trailmonkey

I really CBA any more.

I’m a racist if it makes you happy, so shoot me.

I did not call you a racist I don’t think. I did call you a bigot and I stand by that. Ill thought out generalisations about people that are “different” and a fear and hatred shown.

Your attitudes to women, immigrants, Muslims stink and should have been left in the 50s.

These ‘extremists’ f’kin hate us, hate our freedom, yet want their own and want to take ours.

Islam is not a bad religion, but bad people choose to use it as an anti-British tool for hatred and destruction. Islam will continue to grow in this country and with it, so will the factions. One day we’ll wake up and wonder what the **** happened.

What are your views on the introduction of the allowance of Sharia courts/law in this country? Shouldn’t it be UK law, or nothing? Why on earth can people be allowed to bring their own course of justice to this country?

Or are you going to tell me they don’t exist, or because they are few they dont matter? 🙄

Peole being racist doesn’t make me happy.

People realising that they are and possibly doing something about it gives me a warm glow.

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Because they don’t conform to your attitudes TJ?

Yes that’s right, I said : “Presumably you don’t like mosques ?” I asked you – not accused you.

I have already said, quote :

“Quite frankly, I didn’t really know what the **** you were banging on about.

Yes, I did think it was along the lines of the “Islamification of Britain” in 5 years time”

Obviously that has caused you tremendous distress, but I had no idea that you were that touchy.

BTW, in my experience people who go completely over the top trying to prove that they are not racists and bigots, invariably are racists and bigots.

At current rate of population growth, polarisation of wealth, etc

http://www.postcardsfromthefuture.co.uk/

Any more sites similar to this, found it quite interesting?

My views on women – the bloody PC brigade should stop being so precious regarding sexism, strangely my wife, who isn’t some downtrodden dormouse shares the same opinion.

There was a girl on here berating her female boss iirc, had that been a bloke, no doubt they’d have been accused of being sexist.

Immigrants of whatever skin colour – bring something worthwhile, or don’t come – where’s the problem?

I have a dislike for Muslim extremists, not Muslims – end of.

BTW, in my experience people who go completely over the top trying to prove that they are not racists and bigots, invariably are racists and bigots.

Ah, yes that old line. In future, I’ll not defend anything I say, or anything I’m accused of – in fact that’s an idea, because I’m only wasting my breath. I make the odd ill informed commment, agreed, but I’m only ever picked up on anything that yourself, or TJ may be able to twist, or turn on me, yet anything else gets convenienlty ignored.

I dislike a section of immigrants, then I must dislike them all.

I dislike a section of Muslims, then I must dislike them all.

Not read four pages of poisonous waffle, but anyone who thinks that Muslim terrorists attack us because they ‘hate freedom’ is a bloody idiot. Read some books then come back.

BTW, in my experience people who go completely over the top trying to prove that they are not racists and bigots, invariably are racists and bigots.

“Ah, yes that old line. In future, I’ll not defend anything I say, or anything I’m accused of”

So you do think you’ve gone “completely over the top” then ?

I can make the point that I am not a racist or bigot without going into some sort of semi-hysterical ranting …… you ought to try it too.

jeez, ernie you need to chill out man, talk about hyper analysing a few words.

From reading a few of your posts it is not hard to see how you ‘might’ come across as presumptuous about what Str was saying.

Amongst the world’s superstitions, Islam is arguably the most contemptible.

That’s not racist, that’s ooh, I don’t know – religionist?

Certainly the more disgusting representatives should be deported to the kind of theocratic hell-holes they seem to want to turn the UK into. Why would they object? It’s a free trip to their preferred kind of society,surely?

jeez, ernie you need to chill out man

I can’t help it……..my hands are trembling and my mouth is frothing, as I am gripped with incandescent rage.

I didn’t realised it showed though………I’ll lie down and do some breathing exercises.

arguably

More people killed in the name of Christianity are there not?

You need to differentiate between fundamentalist and conventional islam.

TAFKASTR – looks like you’ve struck a chord.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12356563

Certainly the more disgusting representatives should be deported to the kind of theocratic hell-holes they seem to want to turn the UK into.

Even if they are UK citizens / UK born and what evidence do you have that it is their aim to do this?

When have I berated conventional Islam Jeremy?

My fervent hope for the longer term future is that the last 25 years of an increasingly service driven economy (ie “selling coffee to each other” rather than actually producing something) backed by crazy house price inflation that makes everyone think they’re getting richer even though they are spending twice their income on credit cards comes to a controlled but definitive end.

I also hope we will have restructured some of the large number of ailing businesses that were in trouble before the current recession but have survived on cheap retail credit.

I’m not saying there should be an end to being a home to major financial services (after all they’re a big contributor to HMT and indirectly our public services!) but we must add to it agriculture, manufacturing, energy production and other things that will create work, produce goods we can sell and that will feed and cloth the country in the long term as well as ensuring our security.

As un-PC as it sounds we probably need to incentivise people to have less children and to try and get population growth under control.

If the current government can get us started on this path in the next five years then I shall applaud them with all my might.

Oh and just a thought on technology in simple terms…. everyone who self-check outs at the supermarket is helping contribute to the unemployment figures to save a couple of quid on their shopping. If making the machine is the equivalent to 1 short term job then it can save 3 long term jobs for checkout operators. So next time you shop get the surly teenager to scan it otherwise you’ll be picking up their social security bill.

He looks a little suspect

….there a touch of the “middle-east” about him.

STR – In general I agree with you, you can’t say anything like you have without being called a racist or bigot by the PC brigade. If agreeing with you makes me a racist then so be it. GENERALLY speaking the most racist people I have come across are people of colour anyway.

I was talking to somebody in the street and I used the word black to describe an objects colour and a man of colour looked round at me as if i’d said the n word. It’s a colour ffs, am I never to use it around anyone of colour?

I dislike Islam intensley but then I’m considerably more worried about the tea party lot in the states.

Meh anyway the main thing I’d like in the UK in five years is for KFC to bring back ribs.

In five years it’ll be much the same, people muddling through but with newer toys to take their minds off it.

I always get slagged off for being such a stereotypical PC lefty on here – but I’m no fan of Islam. I’m not really a fan of any organised religion, it’s just that there is a particularly violent/extreme brand of Islam at the moment which is being heavily funded/exported by rich Saudis (see the history of the Catholic Church for some much worse atrocities btw).

I do sort of agree that it sometimes feels you can’t say certain things without being accused of bigotry – the trouble is though, lots of actual bigots use that as an excuse.

Also, many people’s perception of Islam is largely based on pretty much made up stories in the tabloid newspapers – there was a thing recently on R4 which investigated several stories, eg because of Muslims they have banned christmas in Birmingham – completely untrue but it’s a pervasive myth.

Well it’s nice to think that certain extremist groups want to do away with important values such as freedom of speech; coincidentally the same rules that they use to peddle their hate to anyone willing to listen

It’s also nice to see that they respect those who seek to uphold the law

Well, my opinion on the matter is that if Islamic extremists such as the guy below are correct…

…Then I reckon it’ll look a little bit like this

But hey, don’t worry…it’ll probably never happen, so just

Now if it was Christians acting this way, or Catholics, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists or any one of the other >4000 religions being practiced all over this wonderful world of ours then I’d be just as horrified and disgusted but currently it is Islamic extremists who are choosing to spew their vile, contorted views of what is basically a peaceful religion to anyone willing to listen.

Also, whilst I know that the people in the photos represent a very very very (repeat multiple times more) minutely small proportion of practising Muslims in Great Britain, it still saddens me to think that the British government tolerates such behaviour and such blatant inciting of racist hatred, all because they wouldn’t want to be seen as being racist themselves.

I think the people in the picture below have the right idea…laugh in the faces of the extremists as after all, I can’t see the image of London above becoming a reality and hopefully, they (the extremists) will all get bored once they realise that a) they aren’t achieving much with their protests and blowing themselves up, and b) that the afterlife doesn’t actually exist and there are no virgins waiting for them…how very disappointed they will be!

Adios!