What the…. BBC news now, paedophile rings

As I pointed out at the time – a lot of people on here were busy congratulating themselves on being cleverer than a nutty conspiracy theorist – while seemingly not really giving a shit about the bits that were true/plausible.

Lets also blame the teachers, we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with, rumours abounded about a few. Stranagely the lads who where very freindly with some got excellent grades due to home tuition.

The parents, surely they realised their cchild was missing for hours not climbing trees, or building dens like we all did as kids.

Social workers who should have listened to the kids, but at the time 30 plus years ago they just wanted an easy life, and where probably told its bad for promotion to rock the boat.

Then there where all the instutions lads and girls where sent when their parents couldnt cope, the clubs they attended etc, all places where they could be groomed etc.

Google Bry estyn at wrexham, a huge report was done and is still locked up ,not available to us taxpayers who paid for the reportecently a few of the staff and manager have been sent to prison and a few committed suicide, but probably there are a few more still waiting to be caught.

we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with

I didn’t.

Mr Hole liked my brother according to my dad . He wouldn’t let my brother go on school trips if Mr Hole was going.
I was really young at the time so had no idea what the issue was but as I’ve got older you realise.

grum – Member
As I pointed out at the time – a lot of people on here were busy congratulating themselves on being cleverer than a nutty conspiracy theorist – while seemingly not really giving a shit about the bits that were true/plausible.

Good point.

project – Member
we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with, rumours abounded about a few.

Very true, but wives were quite different!!

we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with

no we didn’t.

Very true

Despite it not being very true.

(we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with)I didn’t 😯

we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with

not really

apart from the English Teacher who ran off with a boy from the upper sixth

The alternative is worse…… 😉

The alternative is worse……

WTF are you on about now?

The original thread was about David ike the illuminati and how ” child abuse is central to the control structures of the ruling elite” it contained assertions that mi5 procured children to be abused by MPs so that the ruling elite could blackmail the MPs and control them . utter bollocks and no apologies needed. The fact that a police unit with a policy of ” believing the complainant unless and until there is evidence to contradict them ” accept the word of one person does not appear to challenge any of the critics of jivehoneys assertions as to a global conspiracy. Not even if that instance or instances of abuse are ultimately demonstrated to be true. None of which supports the childish suggestion that if you don’t show respect for the conspiracy theory you don’t care about child abuse.

Has anyone seen Huffington Post today?

Lead story is about 22 high profile figures including 6 current MPs/Lords being involved in paedophile rings

Wonder how this could fit into all of that…

Hmm

Strange that as Edukator as mentioned above, SIR Cyril Smith had so many allegations against him prior to being knighted in 1988, but they were consistently quashed by special branch/MI5 [/url]

Then of course we have these 2:

Of course, it’d be easy to take it as mere coincidence, but what if they were friends:

Much to suggest Jimmy and Cyril were:

Jimmy Savile + Cyril Smith friends

Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith + Scarborough Paedophile ring[/url]

Funnily enough, Jimmy and Rolf too:

’Jimmy Savile & Rolf Harris prowl Broadmoor together’ (in 1973, decades before above pic was taken)

Why was Savile even given access to Broadmoor in the 1st place?

None of which supports the childish suggestion that if you don’t show respect for the conspiracy theory you don’t care about child abuse.

That’s a straw man – I just pointed out that everyone was so keen to show off their logical superiority to a conspiracy theory nut (which is like shooting fish in a barrel) they didn’t seem even slightly interested in exploring whether any of it might be true.

Which is exactly what happened in that lengthy thread.

” child abuse is central to the control structures of the ruling elite” it contained assertions that mi5 procured children to be abused by MPs so that the ruling elite could blackmail the MPs and control them . utter bollocks and no apologies needed.

Given that there is a recording of a Tory chief whip admitting that he used dirt on his MPs involving ‘young boys’ to get them to do what he wanted, it’s not that far-fetched really is it. I’m not saying it’s necessarily true either – but let’s just look at the evidence shall we.

Oh no wait lots of it has been destroyed so we can’t.

Are we sure that MI5 undertake background checks on any or all people who are nominated for honours? All those charity fund raisers and lollypop ladies – theres thousands of honours given out each year, I’ve no idea how many more nominations there are on top of that – and they all get a ‘usually pretty thorough’ background check from Military Intelligence?

Theres never any room to cite your sources in a ‘fact’ presented as a soundbite in a jpeg is there 🙂

Apologies if this is an assumption, but I’m guessing you’re too lazy to read the links?

To give you your due, I’m not sure Lollypop ladies and the like enjoy the same level of access to the Royal Family:

@Junkyard take a look at this in relation to McAlpine.
http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/mcalpine-and-north-wales-child-abuse.html?m=1

In case people have forgotten who the half a dozen suspected ministers/MPs/Lords are. Worth a look.[/url]. Have fun checking out the claims with your browser. Or more to the point, get more and more depressed as more and more prove true.

More to ponder and DuckDuckGo[/url]

If that list is even half right it will make the general election entertaining in the extreme.
Too many current politicians are going to be affected by proximity if it comes out.
That said I hope like hell we actually get the truth. Depends on how far down the rabbit hole the investigation goes.

I think that the issue will cut across the political spectrum

Cyril Smith was labour before he was a liberal

you should ask yourself why if it was all one end of the political spectrum was it never properly investigated despite the rotation of political power

these individuals have relied on the need of institutions to protect themselves (take the BBC or the NHS on Saville)

what is needed is for people to report what they have witnessed, with dates, locations and names to both press and police

Let’s face it. Doesn’t really matter which colour of party it is. They will protect their own.
Still horrifying at the potential level of what happened in the salt not so distant past

Entirely correct that this is a cross party issue, hence why the majority of front benchers are steering clear as far as possible.

Yesterday Charles Napier, half brother to an MP and treasurer of PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) was convicted for offences in the UK. He also abused extensively in overseas roles, including Sweden, Turkey and Egypt, where he boasted the diplomatic bags he sent were a fine method of smuggling obscene images.

As a key member of PIE, he was well connected to a far larger network, including Peter Righton:

Why was Righton allowed to reach the very top of the social work profession ( with posts at NISW and the National Children’s Bureau as stepping stones to positions as a Home Office/ Government “expert” on major reports ) despite being caught red handed abusing boys on a large scale in the 1950’s and writing quite openly in NISW and NCB journals, articles etc from 1971 onwards about his views that adult and child sexual relationships were not necessarily harmful
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The above article was written by Peter McKelvie, the whistleblower who led to Tom Watson’s Question to the Prime Minister in late 2012:

Napier’s conviction leads to further questions, including:

Why has it taken so long for Napier to have been brought to justice? It is 17 years since the ITV journalist Roger Cook handed a senior police officer a list of alleged child abusers, including Napier, during a film for ‘The Cook Report’.

Secondly, what links, if any, did Napier’s Paedophile Information Exchange have to government and people working in it?[/url]

As we enjoy Christmas with friends and family, spare a thought for those in carehomes and orphanages:

One thing to remember is whilst it’s easier to imagine this is a purely historic phenomenon, the truth is, similar things are still happening; the reason historic abuse is exposed more is that as adults, the victims become more self assured and realize the wrongs done to them; children will often feel more powerless, especially those in care who may not have anywhere to turn.

The story about Elm house has legs it has in various guises been written about in Guardian, Mirror, Telegraph, Mail etc. 14 Tories, 5 Labour, 1 Seinn Fein, 1 MI5, 2 pop stars and Anthony Blunt the communist spy.

We also know the security services like to protect their own as it was reported that the police found the them very unhelpful when investigating Geoffrey Prime an ex RAF & GCHQ communist spy, child molester and member of PIE.

There were/are a lot of people with a lot loose.

What kills me is some folks levels of denial pertaining to their appropriation of conspiracy – That it goes hand in hand by default with ‘theory’ – When nothing could be further from the truth – Conspiracy is at the heart of any establishment – An open conspiracy if you will .. Carol Quigley’s seminal book – Tragedy and Hope is a worthy place to begin if you need convincing otherwise .. The world is ran by stealth …

Whilst everyone is united, we should all see the latest developments from Dolphin Square and the vast network surrounding…

Quick recap on the basics surrounding the network involving MPs, military bases, multiple child murders and sadistic torture of children trafficked from care homes:

These are 4 separate links, expanding on the same story:

a)Today a 3rd victim has been revealed, with some very graphic accounts:

b) Peter Righton ordered teenager to pleasure Charles Napier(both mentioned in previous post above with Tom Watson video)

c) Cabinet minister and famous comedy actor rape children

d) Medical room, with hospital bed with shackles, gimp masks and washable floor:

Why aren’t there 3.7 million people marching about this?

Debate gone a bit flat here, eh…

Something for 38 Degrees to latch onto? They’ve had some successes recently.

Another witness has come forward linking powerful paedophile rings to military bases

It now appears that the VIP paedophile network surrounding Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square is not only linked to North Wales care homes, but also to Kincora in Northern Ireland, which is also well known for involvement of the security services…

Trained Child sex slave was trafficked from Kincora, to Liverpool, to London

Over 1000 children a year go missing from care system for unknown reasons

Over 300 children under 4 have gone missing from care system every year since 1995= Over 6000 missing toddlers!!

Whether it relates directly to what has been revealed in this thread is still unknown, but it’s certainly worthy of further investigation…

Got anything to say about the Oxfordshire case, JHJ? You know, vile and despicable mass grooming and abuse of children. Or is it only white middle and upper class baddie conspiracies that tickle your turnip? As in, they fit your narrative.

After all, if there’s a lot of grooming and abuse from Pakistani men, that hardly fits the story that it’s all the elite/lizards/whatever, does it? But, there it is. In cold hard facts, hideous abuse. Vile, despicable abuse, overlooked, possibly even condoned, by those who are meant to stop it.

Are “they” all a part of the lizard overlord scenario? Or is it just that there are vile scum in almost every part of society and you just can’t bear to say it?

You probably want this thread~

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/1400-children-were-subjected-to-appalling-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham

though I’m sure if you took the time to read the link I’ve just provided here, Rotherham is mentioned…

However, what strikes me is that the Pakistani men involved in the abuse you’ve mentioned aren’t in charge of the care system, whereas, the Government, MPs and Judges etc involved in abuse and murder, are…

Of course, if you want to focus on a certain demographic, go ahead, but surely the real issue here is the care of children…

WOW he posts on threads and no one responds and he keeps posting
this one does not even need feeding.

You need another hobby beyond exposing the truth and insulting those who mock you. Essentially that is everyone on here basically for we are , despite our differences, rational

But, there it is. In cold hard facts, hideous abuse. Vile, despicable abuse, overlooked, possibly even condoned, by those who are meant to stop it.

Think we can agree on that…

Let me pretend I am interested in what you have said so you can reply some more

So what are your thoughts on this?

It now appears that the VIP paedophile network surrounding Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square is not only linked to North Wales care homes, but also to Kincora in Northern Ireland, which is also well known for involvement of the security services…

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/kincora-children-trafficked-throughout-uk-claims-former-resident-richard-kerr-30997734.html

Or this:

Or are you just going to keep shooting the messenger?

So, BBC world at one are covering the issue in detail this week, here is yesterday’s broadcast:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02qmvpm