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  • MSP
    Full Member

    Book on England, go to be “pies and prejudice”.

    Junkyard
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    I had no idea what that post meant and I asked you to rephrase it*
    I am not sure how that gets construed as an insult tbh let alone one so severe that it deserves a flounce.

    As for straying from the subject you brought up this issue of Muslims and alcohol not me
    Have we established yet whether there was any truth in your original claim yet or have you given up and admitted it was not true?

    * You think I cannot read, Oh the ironing.
    EDIT
    Oh t eh double ironing

    Stan, really the statement junkyard quoted just doesn’t make any sense.
    I spotted the irony but decided against going to his level and calling him out on it MSP

    what did i quote in my post?
    I am not even sure if this is explicit enough for the penny to drop

    Oh deary me

    Rockape63
    Free Member

    The best part of this thread was someone ‘crying fowl’!

    Was that a duck or a chicken? 😯

    Lifer
    Free Member

    elfinsafety

    😥

    molgrips
    Free Member

    If I’m not allowed to sit outside a pub and drink alchohol becuase it might offend muslims who might see me (it has happened) is that not a removal of part of my cultural identify based on an (and to quote cougar) invasive culture which is not my own?

    Well yes, but that was one person’s poor decision, not a cultural shift. There are more beer gardens now than ever before I’d guess.

    Back to the OP – it’s specific beliefs that are left or right wing in flavour, although it’s far more accurate to use the two-axis model above. So people themselves can have different ideas on how to solve problems of government.

    The issue is that we have political parties. So a party is aligned broadly on left or right terms, but within that party there will be loads of variation on both axes of that graph. That’s why they bicker amongst themselves. You don’t have to subscribe to current Tory party ideas to be a Tory, or even to be a right-winger.

    Certain ideas do have a lot of concurrency though. Libertarianism is quite closely linked to free-market ideology I tihnk, so those things both tend to crop up on the right.

    In reality all four poles have their problems, and they are probably best solved by taking ideas to a greater or lesser extent from their opposite points.

    Which is why we’ve arrived at a generally centrist position as a nation, and we’re not communists or the Wild West.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    These “offending Muslims” tales crop up from time to time, ‘banning Christmas’ and the like. I wonder how many of them actually contain offended Muslim content, and how many are either people making stupid decisions ‘just in case,’ or are the tabloids making it up to sell papers / turn people against immingrants.

    I very strongly suspect that the number of Muslims actually offended by Christmas (or us drinking in pubs, or any of the other claims) is actually as close to “none of them” as makes no odds. And frankly if they are offended by Christmas they can roll it tightly and grease it lightly, and bloody well be offended.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    Thus and so,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/8220780/The-biggest-war-on-Christmas-myths.html

    and the counterpoint,

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1212/p06s01-woeu.html

    (Sorry, I know this isn’t directly relevant, but I thought it was a good example)

    wrecker
    Free Member

    Alcohol is still haraam, [forbidden]

    DAMMIT! All the good stuff is haraam. This muslim thing just isn’t for me. Are Buddhists allowed to drink real ale?

    loum
    Free Member

    What is Right and Left?

    (politics for numpty’s)

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