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  • http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/apr/04/david-cameron-god-easter?fb=optOut

    “The values of the Bible, the values of Christianity, are the values that we need.”

    I think we should have laws against this sort of thing, Goddist should keep their views out of the state

    whatnobeer
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    I agree there should be separation between church and state, but at the end of the day Christian values all boil down to not being a **** and getting on with everyone, which is what the world could do with a bit more of.

    Edukator
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    Quoting Luke eh. I can do that too:

    Luke 19 27

    “But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.”

    alex222
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    Cameron has decided to “do God” in public

    snigger

    Peyote
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    I think it’s quite bizarre how such a selfish, wealth and status obsessed, individual who leads a similarly dysfunctional party can worship one of the biggest socialists (albeit mythological, p’raps?!) history has to offer.

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    but at the end of the day Christian values all boil down to not being a **** and getting on with everyone

    hmmm

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    Christian values all boil down to not being a **** and getting on with everyone, which is what the world could do with a bit more of.

    Agreed, although it’s perhaps worth pointing out that this doesn’t imply that theism is a prerequisite for having a moral compass. I’m quite capable of being nice (usually) without fear of god’s eternal wrath.

    Personally, I’m more concerned with the leader of the country believing in superstitious fairy stories.

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    mixing religion and politics? What could possibly go wrong

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    “The values of the Bible, the values of Christianity, are the values that we need.”

    What does the Bible say about granting the state unfettered access to the private internet usage of its citizens?

    hora
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    So he has time to talk on religion but still hasn’t found the time to talk about illegal use of 10 Downing street and effectively people paying to get their agenda/interests up there. Right.

    Junkyard
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    Christian values all boil down to not being a **** and getting on with everyone

    Especially the gays 🙄

    Personally I though they were just a knee jerk bunch of **** wits hell bent on imposing a 4000 year old moral code on us all whilst worshiping the invisible sky fairy who wants the spread of AIDS and a huge infant mortality rate interspersed with the odd holywar/crusade

    TSY I am trying Really I am trying 😉

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    “It is values like these that make our country what it is – a place which is tolerant, generous and caring.”

    Yes Dave. The three things that spring immediately to mind when I think of the Tory party

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    The three things that spring immediately to mind when I think of the Tory party

    I suspect that there’s plenty of religious values that are in line with the Tory party. Making up self-serving laws to allow you to do what the hell you want, for a start.

    joao3v16
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    I’m more concerned with the leader of the country believing in superstitious fairy stories

    Only problem is, you’re assuming your ‘belief’ that it’s a fairy story is correct …

    Stoner
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    The three things that spring immediately to mind when I think of the Tory party the General Synod

    FTFY 🙂

    whatnobeer
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    AFAIK the most important commandments are Love thy neighbour and do unto others are you would have others do unto you. No caveats. All the other stuff can mostly be ignored I reckon. If everyone just to those rules the world would be a nicer place.

    Peyote
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    Whatnobeer – That’s what I thought too. The previous ten can be replaced by those two or words to that effect. Trouble is everyone prefers the fire and brimstone stuff of Episode 1, and Jesus’s mates did him no favours bigging him up after his (alledged) death!

    IHN
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    The New Testament tells us so much about the character of Jesus; a man of incomparable compassion, generosity, grace, humility and love. These are the values that Jesus embraced, and I believe these are values people of any faith, or no faith, can also share in, and admire.

    “It is values like these that make our country what it is – a place which is tolerant, generous and caring. A nation which has an established faith, that together is most content when we are defined by what we are for, rather than defined by what we are against. In the book of Luke, we are told that Jesus said, ‘Do to others as you would have them do to you’ – advice that when followed makes for a happier, and better society for everyone.”

    I’m not sure why anyone would take offence at someone expressing those kind of thoughts.

    The PM is a Christian and on an important Christian festival he has expressed his personal thoughts about how his faith has themes (like do unto others etc) that, if followed, would be to the benefit of everyone. Why is that so bad?

    Goddist should keep their views out of the state

    Get a grip, it’s not like he’s announcing a law manadating that you have to go to church.

    I’d like to live in a state where anyone can have any view they like, including the ‘Goddists’.

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    Only problem is, you’re assuming your ‘belief’ that it’s a fairy story is correct …

    Difference is, I’m open to any evidence you might have to the contrary.

    konabunny
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    I think we should have laws against this sort of thing, Goddist should keep their views out of the state

    Secularism doesn’t mean that elected politicians can’t talk nonsense about gods.

    joao3v16
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    Bear in mind David Macaroon was speaking at an Easter reception. Easter being a Christian thing. Hence I don’t think it’s unreasonable for his speech to have a Christian emphasis.

    AFAIK the most important commandments are Love thy neighbour and do unto others are you would have others do unto you. No caveats.

    Yep. I think that’s the kind of thing DC was getting at.

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    the most important commandments are

    There’s no such thing as a ‘most important commandment’. Otherwise they wouldn’t be commandments. You don’t get to pick and choose, it’s not Woolworth’s sweet counter.

    wrecker
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    Personally I though they were just a knee jerk bunch of **** wits hell bent on imposing a 4000 year old moral code on us all whilst worshiping the invisible sky fairy who wants the spread of AIDS and a huge infant mortality rate interspersed with the odd holywar/crusade

    Lets not limit this to christianity. They’re not the only ones (or even the worst by quite a long way) spouting this type of dogshit.
    Jews, Muslims; all doing plenty of damage.

    joao3v16
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    Only problem is, you’re assuming your ‘belief’ that it’s a fairy story is correct …

    Difference is, I’m open to any evidence you might have to the contrary.

    Nooooooo! We’ve tried that before somewhere on here, most recently the Angry atheists thread… turns out you can’t prove or disprove God.

    Philby
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    the most important commandments are Love thy neighbour

    …well my neighbour is a rather sexy lady from Northern Ireland, so maybe I should pop round and try and spread the word of the Gospel 😉

    I’m not sure why anyone would take offence at someone expressing those kind of thoughts.

    Because it’s hypocrisy perhaps ?

    joao3v16
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    the most important commandments are

    There’s no such thing as a ‘most important commandment’. Otherwise they wouldn’t be commandments. You don’t get to pick and choose, it’s not Woolworth’s sweet counter.

    Matthew 22:36-40

    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’

    38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

    39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

    40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    According to Cameron :

    “The New Testament tells us so much about the character of Jesus; a man of incomparable compassion, generosity, grace, humility and love.”

    So definitely not a Tory then.

    hora
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    Modern day Christianity doesn’t have potentially insulting terms for people of other religions; Kuffar or infidels does it?

    Dolcered
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    Only problem is, you’re assuming your ‘belief’ that it’s a fairy story is correct …

    Difference is, I’m open to any evidence you might have to the contrary.

    likewise, open to any evidence that there isn’t 🙂
    never ending circle that one.

    live and let live.

    Peyote
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    Hora – I think they followed the Gay example, instead of reclaiming “Queer” they reclaimed “Gentiles”. I could be wrong though….

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    It doesn’t specifically mention gayers either. Doesn’t mean you can’t denounce them as evil

    IHN
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    Because it’s hypocrisy perhaps ?

    Maybe.

    Who should be saying it then? If one has to have lived a life where one has always ‘done unto others as you would have them do unto you’ in order to suggest that it might be a sensible way for society to get along, then I’m not sure they’ll be anyone qualified. Whichis a shame, because it’s a fairly reasonable suggestion.

    sas
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    Nooooooo! We’ve tried that before somewhere on here, most recently the Angry atheists thread… turns out you can’t prove or disprove God.

    Nor can you prove/disprove the existence of 5 headed invisible unicorns.

    scu98rkr
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    “There’s no such thing as a ‘most important commandment’. Otherwise they wouldn’t be commandments. You don’t get to pick and choose, it’s not Woolworth’s sweet counter.”

    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    I think your getting confused between christianity and judasim.

    There is actually quite a bit of

    Its the spirit of the law not the letter of the Law that is important in Christianity.

    Admittedly this was completely forgotten during the middle ages.

    Yes hora it does. Have you not heard the term nonbelievers ? Modern day Christians apply it when talking about people who aren’t Christian.

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    All the other stuff can mostly be ignored I reckon

    hahahahaha and then you get a fundamentalist saying you, you whatnobeer are denigrating the one true way and you should be put to the death same as all the infidels/non-believers/fixieriders

    pretty much all religious texts can be taken any way you want and for eg. can be used by both sides of a bloody conflict as proof that each side has their chosen deity’s backing.

    cobblers

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    done unto others as you would have them do unto you

    Are we back onto sodomy again?

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    turns out you can’t prove or disprove God.

    No, that’s disingenuous. You could prove it quite easily if there was any proof to be had. It’s absolute disproof that isn’t possible.

    For example. If I found a mouse in my house, I could prove I had mice. Or if I found mouse droppings, that would make me think I might have mice.

    In the absence of those things, it’s a fairly safe bet that I don’t have mice. I have no reason to suspect that I might have mice, and an unshakable faith that I did, in fact, have mice despite having no evidence to back that up, would be somewhere between illogical and paranoid. Yet, I cannot prove that I don’t have mice.

    likewise, open to any evidence that there isn’t
    never ending circle that one.

    No, it isn’t. See above.

    scu98rkr
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    I found a dead mouse in bucket of water in my garage at the weekend.

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