[Closed] Was I right?

What a w@nker you sound.

Troll of the day.

Yes a golf ball in the head stings a bit

It wouldn't have done any harm to let them take their shots

Now bikers using the same trail are more likely to be viewed as ****s - just like you

IMHO

that did say tvvats but i'll change it to phuckers

Fairly rude way for you to behave if you ask me. Interesting spelling of 'peddle'.

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You did fine. They're golfers, so they don't count as real people. Just treat them as badly dressed horse manure 🙂

The shot they were about to take was away from us, they only wanted us to stop as the noise of our passage would/might distract from their accuracy.

Politeness dictates you should have stopped and waited the few seconds until they had teed off. congratulations - thats another bunch of people who now believe with good reason that mountainbikers are male hens!

[i]they only wanted us to stop as the noise of our passage would/might distract from their accuracy.[/i]

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A bridleway is a right of way ?

I suppose it seems that 30 people watching 2 other people hit a white 2 inch ball have more rights?

It's not about rights though is it, it's about good manners. Would it have done you any harm to wait - no. Did you behave like an ill mannered asshole - yes. Do these people now think all cyclists are arrogant tossers - probably.

not about rights is it? its about having some comprehension that other people exist and that by stopping for a few seconds you have have 'done the right thing' - you're obviously socially retarded in some way.

terry - politeness and co operation go a long way. Stopping for a few seconds would have done you no harm and would have shown MTBers in a good light. As it is your actions were selfish in asserting your rights despite the effects on others and now a group of people have good reason to view Mountainbikers in a poor light.

Or to put it another way - your actions were not reasonable at all and would have been against the access code in Scotland

Given that any right of way existed long before the golf course. The people who designed it had ample opportunity to design it so that there wasn't a tee off near the BW.

Which do you reckon was there first, the BW or the golf course ? I'd have said the former in all likelyhood and if that's the case, the golfers should wait until the ROW is clear.

Its this sort of selfish attitude that really pisses me off about some cyclists. And I find the 'I was here first' attitude rather immature.

[i]Stopping for a few seconds would have done you no harm and would have shown MTBers in a good light.[/i]

Nope, it would have just shown that we are subservient to golfers wishes 🙂

Hmmm................I asked the question not to boast or brag but to guage other views, as I have been podering over it since the event.

I am not going to get defensive here and will take all comments on the chin.

i would have stopped and made a phone call while waiting
"I'M ON A GOLF RANGE THING. YEAH REALLY BAD JUMPERS AND WHITE SHOES, YEAH EVERYONE'S MISERABLE. WHAT? YEAH SPEAK UP. YES BACK IN TIME FOR TEA"

Was it a Golf course in Gloucestershire by any chance?

I'm with TandemJeremy, would have been polite to stop, but its up to you to be responsible for your actions at the end of the day, just remember it could have a negative impact for other cyclist in the future.

Personaly................

I'd go on their website, find out when the next big event is, then organise a STW ride , in single file with several meters between each rider, just to make a point 🙂

golfers are one step past even rambler levels of arogance.

Its this sort of selfish attitude that really pisses me off about some cyclists. And I find the 'I was here first' attitude rather immature.

Why is it selfish or immature ? Surely it's more selfish and immature to presume that you can interrupt the flow of traffic on a right of way so that you can play a game with your friends ?

Why were they miserable doing something they enjoy, people enjoying something other than playing on bikes must be miserable of course what with them being grown ups and all.

Do i slow down for ramblers...yes. People with dogs.......yes. A farmer working yes. Slow and stop for everthing really, quite often stop and have a chat.

Maybe be its because they were golfers......? I dont mind golfers, I live and let live but its not a "sport" I have ever understood.

Well, they weren't golfers, thinking about it, I have in the past stopped for the people actually playing the game.

Maybe my "non stop2 was a reaction to golf spectators?

Some folks attitudes on here really does surprise me, complete failure to comprehend the fact that there are other people out enjoying doing other things. Would I have stopped - yes as it would be the polite way to behave.

I probably would have stopped but it's hardly crime of the century is it.

As I see it, it was teh spectators complaining. If there had not been a crowd of spectators would it still have been the right thing to do to stop and let the golfer play? I suspect if the golfer had come on here and complained that while he was playing a competition (that no-one was watching) and bikers had ridden by without stopping for him there would have been uproar and he'd have been shouted off the forum. Yet because there were spectators this is somehow different?

Wow! How incredibly idiotic, selfish and rude. Is there a history of [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissocial_personality_disorder ]Dissocial Personality Disorder[/url] in your family at all?

Or are you just a frustrated middle manager from Milton Keynes?

[i]Yet because there were spectators this is somehow different? [/i]

Not at all, if I was riding past a golf course in a group and someone was teeing off I would let them have their shot. They wouldn't have to ask.

Would you expect them to stop if you were in front of them ? I have played golf at a low H'cap level before and if you were in front of me i would have waved you past....however if i knew it was YOU who was not prepared to do the same when behind me,i would in future grip down on a 3 iron and fizz it towards your fat head !!

should have jumped a bunker and done a massive skid on the green

I would've just ridden through without even saying 'morning.

Obstructing a right of way without authorisation, sounds like poor preparation for the competition. Doing it mob-handed is bullying and possibly a public order offence. Stop and ring plod next time?

Were you there Sandwich?

Not at all, if I was riding past a golf course in a group and someone was teeing off I would let them have their shot. They wouldn't have to ask.

In that situation it wouldnt even pass my mind that they might need me to stop, surely a half-decent golfist can hit a ball while people are passing, and whats more they can pause if they dont feel comfy with the environment (whether the cyclists were unobservant or rude). I quite regularly used to ride past a golf course, never had any complaints from those hitting the ball or those stood near the fence.

Have to laugh at those banging on that it was a RoW.

Basically advocating sheer bloody mindedness because the RoW "was there first" over common manners and courtesy.

I've just been over to the golf magic forums to see if we are the bane of their life.
People who turn up to the green wearing jeans, combats or untailorred shorts appear to be far far higher up their hate list 🙂

They had no right to try and stop your enjoyment of riding on a public right of way (even if it was trying to slow you down momentarily) just for their enjoyment of watching someone hit a ball around a field. You wouldn't be able to stop on the BW waving at them telling them to wait whilst you crossed it until they took their shot?

Loads of people will disagree but unless it was something like a dead body lying in the trail etc, I'd have done the same.

As an example, on the golf course near me that has a BW running through and around it, if someone is taking a shot thats over the BW, they have to ring a bell to warn BW users to take care. Sticking a mob of people in the trail isn't something I'd have been too pleased with either.

Keva, you are right, i do regret saying "morning", that was childish and a mistake (in hindsight).

It was spectators who wanted to stop me, not officials with tabards.

If an official, back up the track had a sign out or just warned us as we appraoched I would have ceded.

We were also well out the line of sight of the players.

At the end of the day we all have to get on and share space. Common courtesy and manners is very important in this, however I dont think stopping for someone who isnt even on or crossing the trail is really anything to do with manners.

As an example, on the golf course near me that has a BW running through and around it, if someone is taking a shot thats over the BW, they have to ring a bell to warn BW users to take care. Sticking a mob of people in the trail isn't something I'd have been too pleased with either.

Are you sure that's what the bell is for?

The bell is usually on a "blind" hole where any players behind you couldn't see if you had moved from where they're likely to aim for. You ring the bell to let them know you've moved off the fairway or green.

If however you are correct, in your original point you're stating you should have unrestricted access as it's a RoW. Surely then the bell restricts your access as you should slow down or stop? Why then would you alter your progress for a bell but not for someone taking a shot nearby?

As far as priorities of who has right of way on a right of way (ahem?) - I always ask myself WWRD? (What Would the Ramblers Do?)

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but not for someone taking a shot nearby?

Because the bell ringing indicates a danger to yourself should you proceed, but the person taking a shot nearby and facing the other way does not. Seriously, the golfer could distract me while riding by, I think he should hide in bushes until I'm gone....

(What Would the Ramblers Do?)

Bitch and moan about the bell ringing golfists?

heh heh... shame, could've rang up the local riding school and get them to gallop six horses down there at 25mph, see if they still stand there blocking the way, waving at everyon else to stop immediately what they are doing.

Kev

[i]heh heh... shame, could've rang up the local riding school and get them to gallop six horses down there at 25mph, see if they still stand there blocking the way, waving at everyon else to stop immediately what they are doing.[/i]

You could have done, but I doubt very much they would take the same childish attitude.

You could have done, but I doubt very much they would take the same childish attitude.

You dont know the horse riders I do 🙂 Everyone hates golfists. FACT!

From history:-
"Get orff my land, think of the Grouse"

From prsent times:-
"Stop, cant you see he is taking a shot, this is golf you know"

Why could the golfers not wait until 'the time was right' to play their shot, why stop the flow of a rider on a public bridleway who has gathered momentum and having fun in a public place. Thats golfers for you though - too many think they are better than everyone else especially the kinds who are menbers of private clubs.

Why were the spectators not on the course?

Well done Terrydactyl, shout 'hello' very loudly next time as you slide towards spectators showering them with bridleway debris. And count me in.

Yes, would be polite to stop but equally polite for spectators to make way to let riders past without tutting or make judgements on cyclists.

Big horn on bike next time TerryD if you ask me and honk it at the top of backswing

Used to play alot of golf, had to stop due to the snobiness of it all.

[i]Thats golfers for you though - too many think they are better than everyone else especially the kinds who are menbers of private clubs[/i]

[center][b].....Poor boy with chip on shoulder alert....[/b][/center]

should have done this.....

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OP sounds like a reet @rse.

SiB I'm a member of a private club, I was born and brought up in a housing scheme in glasgow and worked hard to made enough money to enjoy nice things. I don't think I'm better than anyone, but to be honest after reading your post I think I could make an exception.

Anyway back to the important stuff, are you allowed to wear untailored shorts?

Gary M - not at all. Was a member of a golf club which is home of Stableford, expensive but not up there with the 'elite' courses. Was a member for 4 years and each year it was harder to renew membership due to the other members attitudes to the 'lowlife' and 'pondlife' (their words, not mine) that used to walk on a public footpath nearby, or anybody that wasn't a member of their club. So much snobbery and elitism by middle/upper class t*ssers. OK, so the club might be a one off with its members attitudes but I think not.

I now get clubs out about a dozen times a year and play on the municipal with the above mentioned 'lowlife' and have a scream, nothing to do with poor boy or chip on shoulder. If a cyclist were to try and put me off mid swing some light hearted banter would follow ended by a 'have fun'.

BlackDog - you are sooooooo much better than me, I cant deny it. You've broken away from your working class roots and now rubbing shoulders with the tailored short brigade and 'my clubs are better than yours' crew. I'm allowed to wear jeans on the golf course now, are you??!! 😉

Ah poor old SiB got picked on by the nasty rich men.

Gary M.....I dont think I was picked on as such by the nasty rich men but they certainly looked at me down their noses when I turned up in my ok respectable car and parked it next to the Captains reserved car parking space (wtf is all that about?)amongst lots of top of the range cars and dare I say it, with stubble on my face.

I'm actually all for the game,but i'm pretty sure alot of promising youngsters (who could ultimately be the next TW) are put off by the cost these private clubs can charge and the snobbery of alot (not all) of the members (unless they are the son/daughter of a member of course).

GOLF.......gentlemen only ladies forbidden....maybe not the case these days but I think it says it all?

Lets be honest, MTBers are an elitist bunch too laughing at BSOs and people turning up at trail centres in the wrong kit. In fact its gone so far it's turned around and now its cool to laugh at the guys turning up in the right gear 😀

SiB I would imagine it was your attitude and inverse snobbery people were averse to rather than the car you were driving. You do sound very bitter.

Golf is different in Scotland. In England it's mostly done by poncy ****s.

BD......I'm not bitter in the slightest, a tad jealous over some of their cars mind!! My step dad is ex-captain there and it has me in stitches when the red tails go on and they take days to elect new captain.....but then again it keeps the retired old'uns in a social circle. I kind of kept myself to myself and believe it or not I can adapt to different situations like I had to infront of these snobs - are you saying that if I had acted like they were then I would be accepted in the world of private golf clubs? Do you go around pretending to be someone/thing that you aren't so that you will be accepted? My attitude was impecable for the surroundings (it was an honour to be a member of the club initially)and I certainly didnt show my feelings towards snobbery. My face (unshaven!) or attitude didnt fit with theirs......and I'm so glad it didn't, wouldn't want to be a part of that way of life, despise snobs and folk who think they are.

When the Open was at Royal LIverpool in Hoylake I was lucky enough to part of the working crew and got very close to the pro's.....all of which seemed very 'ordinary' and down to earth unlike the memebers of private golf clubs. Maybe I just picked the wrong club to join hey? So i am speaking from experience.....maybe a bad one!

Grumm says it all perfectly.

I've seen more ****y rules on a MTB club website than anything you'd find in a golf club

The phrase 'chip on shoulder' is often used by [i]some[/i] people. (Trying desperately not to sound bitter in case I'm rejected by people who hit balls with clubs.)

Wouldn't it be funny if Lego was the aspirational social networking activity that golf is?

Terrydactyl - I think by not stopping you essentially said 'the Emperor has no clothes on'. Some people don't like their illusions punctured.

Not that mountain bikers are all saints.

This thread has made me turn my computer off... i'm off to do the washing up.

I just don't get this place sometimes!

DrP