Vaccine Denialsim

Oh my I have just discovered this little gem of a conspiracy theory.
Science has a big problem convincing people not to be so bloody stupid, how on earth are we going to get over this.

Ebola threw up a few tweets from doctors along these lines;

Parent: “I want an Ebola vaccine for my child!”

Dr: “I’m afraid there isn’t one but whilst you’re here how about a Flu vaccine as she’s asthmatic?”

Parent: “We don’t believe in that.”

Are you talking about the indirect mass murderer feckpig Andrew Wakefield, or is this something else?

how on earth are we going to get over this?

Cancelling the third series of Utopia would probably help.

Funnily enough i watched this yesterday:

If it is true, im not impressed!

Well he contributed did he not, but it goes further than that.
Stuff like this twaddle:

http://yournewswire.com/doctors-against-vaccines-the-other-side-of-the-story-is-not-being-told/

edit and the stupid video posted above.

Well he contributed did he not

He largely caused it. The whole “vaccines cause autism” thing was based on a fundamentally flawed research paper by AW. It was slammed by, well, everyone else, but the gutter press got hold of it. Encouraging people not to get vaccinated might kill people, but at least it sells newspapers.

In Northern Nigeria there is an outbreak of polio because Boko Haram have persuaded people that polio vaccinations are a plot by the USA to sterilise them and reduce the numbers of Muslim babies.

Are you talking about the indirect mass murderer feckpig Andrew Wakefield, or is this something else?

Well, he would appear to be the genesis for it all.

We have a friend whose child has autism. Anti-vaccine nonsense regularly pops up on her Facebook status updates. I find it very sad.

In Northern Nigeria there is an outbreak of polio because Boko Haram have persuaded people that polio vaccinations are a plot by the USA to sterilise them and reduce the numbers of Muslim babies.

There’s similar issues in Norther Pakistan.

Particularly after the CIA started using the vaccine people as spies…

Unfortunalty the vaccine denialsim started before Wakefield, he was just pandering to the the existing feelings, which was when most people here heard of it, but it was well underway in the states before that.

Anyway how do we fix it?

Petition the Daily Mail to run a headline telling people there’s no link between vaccines and Autism?

I know, I know. I don’t know what I was thinking for a moment there, sorry.

Particularly after the CIA started using the vaccine people as spies…

Yep, way to go CIA.

Wakefield saga.

My youngest daughter had the separate MMR jabs, the middle one had the combined one and thereafter developed Irritable Bowl Syndrome. Can we ever prove a link, I doubt it. But do we believe the vacine gave it to her, yes. The third one didn’t have the combined jab as a result. Our choice. I have no issue with the seperate jabs and in my view they should still be offered even if that means making a small payment.

This type of stuff prob doesn’t help:

CIA orchestrate fake vaccination programs

Particularly after the CIA started using the vaccine people as spies…

Beaten to it!

It just takes one crackpot study to ruin all the “proper” evidence.

See also Vitamin C and colds…

do we believe the vacine gave it to her, yes.

Why?

Yes, why?

wwaswas – Member

In Northern Nigeria there is an outbreak of polio because Boko Haram have persuaded people that polio vaccinations are a plot by the USA to sterilise them and reduce the numbers of Muslim babies

Did it cause them to turn a whiter shade of pale?

“Dr Andrew Wakefield tells his side of the story in the MMR Vaccine causes Autism debate”

Did it cause them to turn a whiter shade or pale?

Tres bon, tres bon.

As a new parent I’m pretty staggered at the volume of shyte that gets posted online about all things baby related – especially when it comes to medications and such, people really do seem to believe ‘the man’ is trying to kill their babies.

I particularly dislike the ones who seem to want to hark back to an earlier age of ‘natural remedies’ none of this science shit, no I’ll treat my baby like they did in the middle ages, when life expectancy was 35 and polio and TB was rife.

Can we ever prove a link, I doubt it.

You should try. You stand to become very rich if you do, because no-one else has managed it yet.

My oldest daughter had separate vaccines

My youngest had MMR

Both have been diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders

I can do science me 😀

The plural of anecdote is anecdotes. It is not science.

@dbcooper

Dam straight, I’m going to nick that.

The plural of anecdote is anecdotes. It is not science.

Yes and no – you start to get a large amount of anecdotal evidence about something and you can (and should) use that to form a hypothesis. Which you then collect data about to test.

Edit: BTW, the “normal” quote is “The plural of anecdote is not data”.

Yeah mogrim, but no. The plural of anecdotes may well make a hunch, but it still is not science until the actual research is done.
Sod the normal quote, thats my quote.

Yeah mogrim, but no. The plural of anecdotes may well make a hunch, but it still is not science until the actual research is done.

Er, that’s what I said. Or at least tried to say.

Sod the normal quote, thats my quote.

😀

Yeah Wakefield was a dick no doubt.

Tony Blair didn’t help though, refusing to tell anyone what type of vaccination little Leo got, thereby providing fuel for the conspiracy theorists.

Its a difficult one though. Vaccinations rely on herd immunity. So it only takes a few halfwits to ruin it.

Oh yes I rememebr Tony Blair doing that, but then he believes in all kinds of woo, like “God will be my judge on Iraq”…

mogrim – Member

Edit: BTW, the “normal” quote is “The plural of anecdote is not data”.

Shirley ’tis “The plural of anecdote are not data”?

Petition the Daily Mail to run a headline telling people there’s no link between vaccines and Autism?

I know, I know. I don’t know what I was thinking for a moment there, sorry.

Here’s some example text they could use. Oh…

Shirley ’tis “The plural of anecdote are not data”?

No. 🙂

Yes I think the wife was a crystal abuser as well, is this a middle class thing in this country at least. Otherwise intelligent successful people believing utter BS spouted by people that usually charge for their “expert” knowledge.

why

Because she was perfectly fine before she had the injection. We (and many others) had no issue with the seperate injections which had been given for years and years. I think the resistance of the NHS to return to seperate injections or at least offer then even for an extra charge suggests intransigence and trying to hide something. The single injection was developed to save a few £. GPs are paid an incentive fee for the number of kids vaccinated, that doesn’t sit well with me. It’s a known fact that a portion of those vacinated will suffer side effects, potentially severe, parents can make their own choice about whether they want to balance that risk against the risks of contracting a disease and it’s severity.

EDIT: @chips thanks for that link, have only had chance to listen to first 7 mins but will take the time to listen to it all tonight

I think the resistance of the NHS to return to seperate injections or at least offer then even for an extra charge suggests intransigence and trying to hide something.

And if they did return to separate injections then you would argue that this “proves” there was something wrong with the combined injection.

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

to dismiss it as a conspiracy theory is as ignorant as those claim every vaccine is a conspiracy to dumb us down or cull us etc.

There is no way prove it either way as there are to many confounders.

Now I don’t believe in the conspiracy, but I do recognise drug companies are less than perfect when it comes to releasing products with adverse side affects due to the $$$.

The anti depressants that can cause suicidal thoughts springs to mind…

Fact is people and mainly internet skeptics misunderstand the basis of science , it is an informed decision based on available evidence and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just look up black swan theory.

Also there is notion of n=1, there is always the chance that a vaccine or treatment may only have an unintended side effect of a handful and this would get lost in a sea of data and not reported as it wasn’t a significant correlation.

No Graham I wouldn’t but I do think their reluctance to do so is related to their fear that it might lead to that view being held by many others.