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Welsh Labour got a huge majority in the Synnedd with clear manifesto pledges to introduce a nationwide 20 mph speed limit in urban areas and to create a new NE wales national park. Both have proven to be controversioal and extremely devisive.
Cameroon had a manifasto pledge to offer a referendum on EU membership. Look where seeing that one through got us.
I am not sure what point is being made here....... that it is reasonable for politicians to lie and make promises which they have no intention in keeping just to get elected?
Am I understanding this correctly?
No I'm saying the exact opposite.
Lies, impossible pledges, populism etc has taken over the whole election campaign (not just now but going back years).
Is it any wonder there's such little trust in politicians now? For years they've promised all sorts of unicorns and delivered, at best, a donkey with a traffic cone on its head, at worst, nothing.
I want the election campaign to stop with the pointless promises and the
We'll do XYZ
Ah but we'll do XYZ bigger and better!
nonsense.
There really ought to be laws on this. Failure to deliver as promised. Might make politicians think a bit more about their promises in the first place.
No I’m saying the exact opposite.
Ah okay, it's just that the comment directly before my post seemed to be complaining of promises which had been kept.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2289vk0n1o
The Tories said its plans - expected to costs £1bn per annum - would be paid for by cutting the number of NHS managers to pre-pandemic levels
The Tories are proposing (further) cutting back office staff to save NHS money. Because everyone knows things get more efficient when the consultant neurosurgeon has to order his/her own office supplies or negotiate the contract for theatre equipment maintenance.
Meanwhile,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn331vd99lzo
Starmer promises cut to net migration under Labour
Great, that won't exacerbate any problems with the understaffed health and care sectors and agriculture, or for universities that are on the verge of bankruptcy already due to the drop in student visas and associated tuition fee income.
I think this especially applies to the ‘we’re going to crack down on tax avoidance which will raise an additional 6 billion a year’, to which the only answer is ‘14 x 6 = the tax avoidance you’ve been happy to do absolutely nothing about until now’
You’d have to be pretty gullible to think they’d actually do that if re-elected, given that Rishi’s wife is one of the main culprit's
There really ought to be laws on this. Failure to deliver as promised. Might make politicians think a bit more about their promises in the first place.
Now that would be a vote winner, they'd still have to do it though...
Edukator: you obviously object to university tuition fees. That's fine. Lots of people do. But it is 100% untrue that, as you claimed:
In the 97 manifesto [Blair] promised not to introduce tuition fees but did so immediately after the election.
The 1997 manifesto did not say that. A normal person would just say "ahh, well, it was 25 years ago, I didn't remember every bleeding line of the manifesto, fair enough".
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1997/1997-labour-manifesto.shtml
This whole discussion about whether parties keep their manifesto promises is completely irrelevant here.
This whole discussion about whether parties keep their manifesto promises is completely irrelevant here.
Eh, why ? Politicians not keeping their promises is one of the biggest concerns of voters, because if they don't keep their promises voters don't know what they are voting for.
There is a reason for the loss in confidence in politicians these days. And why New Labour dreamt up the "pledge card".
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/543010936060391424
Saving money on the NHS = fiscal irresponsibility.
Got to laugh at the circle that we have created doesn't ever seem to yield fruit.
I mean what's it gonna take? 5 years more years of economic contraction?
I'm sympathetic to people who say they're all the same - because material conditions are a failure for many.
It ain't rocket science.
Meanwhile let's head balls deep into an election with dismal economic planning.
"they are all the same" is a deliberate ploy to drive lower turnout numbers as that favours a certain party in the overall great scheme of things.
Will be loads of content hitting certain demographics with that message by fellow travellers.. including on here no doubt
There really ought to be laws on this. Failure to deliver as promised. Might make politicians think a bit more about their promises in the first place.
Now that would be a vote winner, they’d still have to do it though…
In theory, we don't need this because if they don't keep promises then they don't get re-elected.
14 years, and counting......and 13 before that......and 11 before that.....
I think we need a law.
Will be loads of content hitting certain demographics with that message by fellow travellers.. including on here no doubt
It's not really very inspiring though is it? I and many others don't like the stuff Starmer is saying.
So either we're being asked to vote for stuff we don't agree with or we're being told he's saying one thing to appeal to Tory voters but he's going to do something else. Lying, basically.
Then we get told we're basically Tory supporters.
Labour and labour supporters are making it very hard to want to have anything to do with the labour party
delivered, at best, a donkey with a traffic cone on its head
Quality! 🤣
“they are all the same” is a deliberate ploy to drive lower turnout numbers as that favours a certain party in the overall great scheme of things.
Will be loads of content hitting certain demographics with that message by fellow travellers.. including on here no doubt
That's basically this thread.
The 1997 manifesto did not say that. A normal person would just say “ahh, well, it was 25 years ago, I didn’t remember every bleeding line of the manifesto, fair enough”.
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1997/1997-labour-manifesto.shtml
This whole discussion about whether parties keep their manifesto promises is completely irrelevant here.
["here"=student fees. And it was the Lib Dems who broke an actual manifesto commitment on these.]
Anyway , the old manifesto is worth a read/quick look. And then Lab went on to double spending on health as a proportion of the economy. And loads of other stuff I could list if anyone wants. All googleable.
My MP being a duplicitous **** - desperate to avoid portraying himself as a Big Bad Tory.
One things elections do is turn people you got along with and even considered friends into bitter enemies, both in real life and virtually.
It's the European elections next week, between fleur de lys ties, rants about gens de voyage, populist right-wing bollocks, anti-European propaganda and rants about immigrants of which I'm one of four the (ageing) members of my MTB club have been on great form this weekend.
Have fun in thread, If by some miracle the promise of vote is kept it'll be going to the LibDems. Thanks all for your contributions which have reminded me that on issues that matter to me both Labour and Conservative have screwed up the post-war vision, in slightly unequal measure, but they've both got us where we are now.
*closes election thread tab*
I still don’t get why Ed gets to vote in our national elections (as do many of my friends who haven’t lived in the UK for decades), but others that live, work and pay their taxes here do not. Well, I get it as in I understand the rules… it just seems plain wrong.
The pint-sized one was on a train again yesterday instead of his usual helicopter.
It was a steam train though(the replacement for HS2?), in our constituency and he was there to support his Tefal-headed deputy chairman of the Tory party and generally useless cockwomble James Daly
I’m quite mystified as to the resources they’re putting into this. Rishi has personally been here twice now and we’ve been getting constant (unbranded) Tory guff through the door for months. It’s always been a marginal seat (so hardly the Red Wall where he was reported to be heading) but old Rayner-hating, police-time-wasting Mekon-head has the smallest majority in the country and the last local polling I saw was predicting a 3 - 5,000 Labour majority
Look at the joy the little fella brought with him to an empty train so he didn’t bump into any of those frightful members of the public. Even planet-head looks like he wants him to **** off.
I still don’t get why Ed gets to vote in our national elections (as do many of my friends who haven’t lived in the UK for decades), but others that live, work and pay their taxes here do not. Well, I get it as in I understand the rules… it just seems plain wrong.
Because you guys voting in the way you did means we're at risk of getting kicked out of our homes and forced to come back and live in the UK.
Like it or not, having a UK passport means you're still very much affected by the decisions of the government no matter where you live. In fact, in terms of life upheaval, we're more affected.
If it's any consolation we don't get to vote for the government we pay our taxes to.
I've always reckoned that EU citizens should have the right to vote in the elections of where they are living (in the EU, obviously) regardless of what passport they hold. Not that it's really relevant anymore.
"It’s not really very inspiring though is it? I and many others don’t like the stuff Starmer is saying."
It's not like dating, you aren't looking for the perfect individual you will spend the rest of your life with...you just need to choose which is the bus is most likely to be going vaguely in the direction you want to be heading towards
If you wait around for a bus going exactly where you want it to you'll wait for a long time and it will get cancelled as no one else wants to get on it.
If you wait around for a bus going exactly where you want it to you’ll wait for a long time and it will get cancelled as no one else wants to get on it.
You pick the bus that's going in the direction you want to go. Not the one that is going in the opposite direction but slightly slower than the current one.
But what if the only two buses that actually have a chance of leaving the stop are both the same and going to the same place apart from one of the drivers being a bit less of a bastard than the other one?
Can we not at least lodge our dissatisfaction with that.
you aren’t looking for the perfect individual
And yet it would appear some individuals seem to think that Starmer is perfect, and they won't tolerate any criticism of him.
In fact Starmer's powers of always being right seem to have a strange magical mystical quality.
It turns out that Starmer can be completely right about a position that he has taken on something and then a month later, when he has preformed a complete U-turn and taken an opposite position, he is still completely right.
Go figure - it's like some sort of weird cult.
Disappointed no one went with "Hijack the bus" tbh
Let's talk about buses doing u-turns then if you want the bus analogy.
Would you stay on a bus which kept preforming u-turns?
But what if the only two buses that actually have a chance of leaving the stop are both the same and going to the same place apart from one of the drivers being a bit less of a bastard than the other one?
Can we not at least lodge our dissatisfaction with that.
Let's stretch this analogy to breaking point and beyond.
You put in a complaint form by voting for a candidate that isn't going to win in your consistency. By picking the one that most closely aligns with your views you indicate the direction you would like one of the busses to go in.
Next time the two busses are ready to leave you might find one of them is actually heading somewhat in the direction you'd like to go.
A relatively small number of people indicated they wanted a populist anti-EU bus and guess what! Now the both busses are going where they want to go.
Can we stop talking about busses now?
And yet it would appear some individuals seem to think that Starmer is perfect, and they won’t tolerate any criticism of him.
LIke who?
And yet it would appear some individuals seem to think that Starmer is perfect, and they won’t tolerate any criticism of him.
In fact Starmer’s powers of always being right seem to have a strange magical mystical quality.
It turns out that Starmer can be completely right about a position that he has taken on something and then a month later, when he has preformed a complete U-turn and taken an opposite position, he is still completely right.
Go figure – it’s like some sort of weird cult.
I don't think i've really seen anyone on here praising Starmer all the time, most, and i include myself, see the first job for Labour is to actually get into power, it's not all about Starmer, it's about gaining the ability to actually implement policies and change, the leader for this could be Starmer, it would be Rayner, it could be Reeves, i couldn't care, it just needs something progressive and not ingrained with the failure of the last few elections.
I just find it weird everything negative is centred around Starmer, as if he's a one man band, he is no Blair, but even Blair needed support from his core party members back in 1997 to gain power, and hold it, if Labour win, Starmer will be PM, he might be in for a while, or out in 3 years, who knows, all i care about is moving our government and policies in a slightly different direction to start with, and work out what needs fixing, what doesn't, etc, etc, like a government should.
My immediate requirement is to get the Tories out. In my constituency I can vote for my usual party and achieve the aim of unseating our current Tory MP. I'm quite confident of the result. However I'm a LibDem and I know the only party who have a hope of forming the next government is Labour. I'll accept that. What happens afterwards we will have to wait and see.
I just find it weird everything negative is centred around Starmer
I guess it would be if it were true.
My immediate requirement is to get the Tories out.
Well the great news is that is certain to happen now. A Tory government after July 4th is becoming almost as unlikely as a LibDem government.
So that's one thing less to worry about.
I think it's pretty reasonable to give the person you are hoping is your best bet lots of scrutiny before you vote.
I mean no one here will likely be voting Sunak and yet he attracts heaps and heaps of minute by minute coverage.
Try that with Starmer and it's - the usual suspects. Etc.
What's wrong with taking stuff apart?
Starmer is a bloody fraud and has done very little to improve the situation as far as I can see. I mean, he's going to be stuck with the immigration issue by way of example and likely go in quite a Tory direction - and yet the screaming Liberals will simply ignore this. Yvette Cooper today calling the Tories current offering - 'free-market' immigration, that's exactly what the EU was!
I think this stuff is fair game.
He told The Sun: "Read my lips - I will bring immigration numbers down". He added: "I will control our borders".
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1796995438203023866?t=DjFarQHaZ1SgwxcXUc-MDA&s=19
It's one of Labour's top priorities apparently.
Yesterday he said wealth creation was his top priority. (Sky)
It's impossible to believe anything.
Did I miss the reaction on here to the news that Diane Abbot is actually intending to stand as the Labour candidate? It’s almost as if the biggest issue of the election has suddenly assumed less importance now that it can’t be used to attack Starmer.
I was just to going to post about that.
No doubt there will be another 'issue' shortly which will produce loads of frothing - piss'n'wind - about something which is irrelevant but that won't stop attempts to manufacture a story out of it.
Like it or not, having a UK passport means you’re still very much affected by the decisions of the government no matter where you live.
Fair. Then you should have representatives in parliament voted for by those living overseas, not some MP for a random place you once lived in who will be acting for their actual constituents not you.
The post refers to it being ‘…a top priority’ which is different to ‘the top priority’.
There is no contradiction.
Ah, well, if keeping filthy foreigners out is just a top priority and not the top priority I guess that's fine then.
Now, is this something that he means or is it one of those things he's just saying to attract slightly racist Tory voters?
Did I miss the reaction on here to the news that Diane Abbot is actually intending to stand as the Labour candidate? It’s almost as if the biggest issue of the election has suddenly assumed less importance now that it can’t be used to attack Starmer.
It’s barely left a scratch on the campaign. I realise this is a huge disappointment for some. Like those who were obsessed with the media coverage towards the end of the week and over the weekend. I mean…they’d be the same people who exhorted us to pay absolutely no attention to the media when they, their absolute boy and his mates were making Labour ever more unelectable by the day.
Some would compare this to the behaviour of a cult. This is childish stuff of course.
Fair. Then you should have representatives in parliament voted for by those living overseas, not some MP for a random place you once lived in who will be acting for their actual constituents not you.
Or ditch FPTP?
The post refers to it being ‘…a top priority’ which is different to ‘the top priority’.
There is no contradiction.
Other than it's simply not a convincing way of talking about stuff.
The contradiction I would point to is bringing down immigration whilst needing immigration.
Did I miss the reaction on here to the news that Diane Abbot is actually intending to stand as the Labour candidate
Add it to the list, along with Angela Rayners council house, that the Tory press (followed slavishly by the BBC) have been desperately trying to make an issue out of, but in reality nobody actually gives a flying **** about
Now, is this something that he means or is it one of those things he’s just saying to attract slightly racist Tory voters?
Nail on the head. How the hell are we supposed to vote for this shit?
Did I miss the reaction on here to the news that Diane Abbot is actually intending to stand as the Labour candidate?
What sort of reaction are you expecting? I think most people believe that it is up to Diane Abbott and her constituency party whether she stands or not.
For a while Starmer seemed to think that it wasn't up to Diane Abbott but then on Friday afternoon he cleared up the issue and said that it was up to her after all.
Thanks for bringing up the issue again, it's been ages, but what do you think needs discussing?
It's good rubbish outcomes and poor decisions don't affect a campaign.
All that matters then.
Or ditch FPTP?
I want a fairer voting system. I also want a local MP (or MPs) I can address my concerns about our area to. Ideally one I voted for. All this is possible together.
Someone living and planning to stay in Spain voting for the MP for the High Peak makes little sense to me.
I think it’s pretty reasonable to give the person you are hoping is your best bet lots of scrutiny before you vote.
Absolutely but unless what what you turn up is is abhorrent that you can't vote for them they remain your best bet.
The issue we have with usual suspects is not they don't like Starmer but the fact they don't come up with an alternative, cos at the moment despite Starmers lack of charisma and exciting policies which in themselves are pretty normal traits for your average politician he's not yet decided to take us out of our partnership with our biggest trading partner, started a genocidal war with a neighbour or demonized large numbers of our citizens. In fact the only complaint form the usual suspects is he's not left wing. Well I think most of us are quite happy with that. The point is he still is our best hope to avoid another 5 years of corruption, division and destruction. I'll take a bit middle of the road and not very inspiring over 5 more years of evil chaos any day of the week. This is the election thread discussing the options for the upcoming election, and most of us have made our peace with Starmer bejng the leader to rout the Tories. If you want to pull Starmer apart he does have his own thread.
Now, is this something that he means or is it one of those things he’s just saying to attract slightly racist Tory voters?
Well Yvette Cooper seemed very convinced that immigration had become too high under the Tories and needed to come down, when I saw her under telly this morning. So I guess yeah, Labour under Starmer will be tough on immigration. Well tougher than the Tories at least.
The issue we have with usual suspects is not they don’t like Starmer but the fact they don’t come up with an alternative
It's not up to the usual suspects to come up with the alternative.
Starmer gets pulled apart in this thread just like Sunak does. You can't police Starmer criticisms out of a general election thread.
So I guess yeah, Labour under Starmer will be tough on immigration. Well tougher than the Tories at least
She literally called it 'free-market' immigration under Tories whilst previously campaigning for being in the EU.
Did I miss the reaction on here to the news that Diane Abbot is actually intending to stand as the Labour candidate?
I'm really pleased for her and her constituents as I imagine it must have been a helluva stress to be under, shame it took so long for her to be cleared of ****-all though
Shame for Faiza Shaheen, especially the way she was kicked out and replaced but I hope she stands as an independent and kicks starmer in the nuts.
The issue we have with usual suspects is not they don’t like Starmer but the fact they don’t come up with an alternative
The alternative is you look at the manifestos, listen to what the candidates are saying, and go with whoever most closely aligns with your values/issues.
It worked for UKIP voters.
It’s not up to the usual suspects to come up with the alternative
Fair enough, I'll rephrase my post then
The issue we have with usual suspects is not they don’t like Starmer but the fact they are unremitingly negative about anything,
Not trying to police anything, that's the mods job. Might be worth trying to play the argument not the man though.
Absolutely but unless what what you turn up is is abhorrent that you can’t vote for them they remain your best bet.
Starmer and labour have crossed that line for me. Enthusiastic brexiteers and gaslighting the nation about it, no extra spending ie continuing austerity, anti democratic with reference to the devolved nations.
fortunately my seat will not go tory so it makes zero difference to the odds of a labour government so its not a difficult decision. In a labour / tory marginal it would be harder
The issue we have with usual suspects is not they don’t like Starmer but the fact they are unremitingly negatove abput anything,
Maybe if Starmer could stop pandering to Tories and racists for 5 minutes he might say something people could react positively to.
Think they're 'pandering' more to the middle, the immigration quote was an easy one for them, think we're currently at record net migration after Covid, so to 'cut' it won't be difficult, but it a great soundbite for an election to counter any tory claims that we'll be flooded with immigrants.
The next leader of a country that needs more migrants is saying he's going to cut immigration.
He's saying it because it gives racists a warm fuzzy feeling.
Starmer is a bloody fraud and has done very little to improve the situation as far as I can see. I mean, he’s going to be stuck with the immigration issue by way of example and likely go in quite a Tory direction – and yet the screaming Liberals will simply ignore this. Yvette Cooper today calling the Tories current offering – ‘free-market’ immigration, that’s exactly what the EU was!
I take it you are aware that the current high level of immigration is due mostly to the Tory policy of increasing the number of work, study and dependants visas? Easily reversible by any party who wants to I would imagine (including the Tories).
The immigration promise is bad policy (stirring a sensitive topic that has many levels: marriage, work visas, student visas...) and bad politics (he's made himself a hostage to a single number). I don't like it.
shame it took so long for her to be cleared of ****-all though
Abbot hasn't been cleared of anything. She immediately withdrew her stupid race trolling letter and went through the disciplinary process. She just hasn't been binned as candidate. And now she's signed up for another 4 years despite not being at the top of her game any more. Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell are not role models!
On the upside: free school breakfast clubs are an effective and practical way to reduce child hunger and improve learning. It's not earth-shattering or overnight, but it's the kind of thing I want to see from a competent, constructive and slightly boring government. I would like to see free school meals for all schoolkids in time (London, where 16% of the English population lives, already has free school meals in primaries under Labour Mayor Sadiq Khan).
'Play the argument not the man' ...would that mean we get a bit less of the 'absolute boy, sixth form, childish, tin foil hat, usual suspects, monty kin python.' Nice thought but this crap doesn't come from the left in this discussion.
Back on topic, I see the SNP are also worried about Labour's austerity posturing. It's not like we're putting words in their mouths, it's the words coming out of their mouths.
The next leader of a country that needs more migrants is saying he’s going to cut immigration.
He’s saying it because it gives racists a warm fuzzy feeling.
He's saying it because it's something the tories can't fight against well, they have been the party of cutting immigration for years, but post Brexit, and especially in the last two years, net migration has been above average and to reduce that number isn't going to be a difficult task.
I'm not sure how the fact they're talking about teaching the skills to those in the UK to fill the gaps is a racist thing either, they're not promising to stop immigration, or to just live with gaps in the skills the UK desperately needs, but again, it'll be sold either side of the argument to suit those who have an axe to grind either side.
due mostly to the Tory policy of increasing the number of work, study and dependants visas? Easily reversible by any party who wants to I would imagine
Why would it be "easily" reversible?
Are you suggesting that the current Tory government has been issuing work visas unnecessarily? Haven't the Tories faced severe criticism for clamping down student visas? And I have no idea why you think a Labour government could easily be tougher on dependants visa than the Tories - how are they going to stop partners living together and children with their parents?
But let's say that you are right and the current immigration numbers could easily be reduced, in other words it's not really much of a problem, why the announcement by Labour today? Why focus on it and make it an election issue for Labour?
Everyone, including it would appear most Tories, now accepts that Starmer will be prime minister next month, he and Yvette Cooper don't actually need to talk about the Tories 'failing on immigration', they can leave Nigel Farage to level those accusations at the Tories.
Sunak remains terrible at this
https://twitter.com/NicholasTyrone/status/1797310029856469493?t=2ZVxmhHKTBjP1JLn1gQYkw&s=19
Inevitably Labour have parodied it
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1797332094990831616?t=nhbOB9MjbXwFGYeIpCmzVQ&s=19
I just don't get why the Tory comms machine is still so bad
If the leadership debate on Thursday isn't gamechanging for Sunak, his MPs will be revolting, I predict tory mutiny in the Sunday papers next week
Sunak remains terrible at this
I don’t know which political commentator it was, but they referred to him this week as ‘an over-enthusiastic supply teacher’ 😃
Him pacing off looking pleased with himself did give me physics teacher vibes.
Have their social media team never been on the Internet before? Have they never seen what happens immediately if you post yourself holding or standing next to a sign? Obviously someone immediately comes along and draws text on it.
I suspect morale and remaining talent in the party election machine is just so low, this is all they have.
The most successful (at winning elections) democratic party in Western history is on its arse.
All totally of its own making.
Wonderful.
It’s not escaped the notice of the press that certain people - Kemi Badanoch, Penny Mordaunt, Suella Braverman, Grant Shapps to name but a few - went missing the day Rishi announced the date of the election and haven’t been seen since
I can’t think why?
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It’s not escaped the notice of the press that certain people – Kemi Badanoch, Penny Mordaunt, Suella Braverman, Grant Shapps to name but a few – went missing the day Rishi announced the date of the election and haven’t been seen sinceI can’t think why?
Lol, yeah. For such a machiavellian party they are predictable as hell sometimes.
Sunak is like a medieval general thats shouted, "On me, charge!"... Then looked behind him only to see his whole army content to just stay put and watch him get eviscerated.😁
It’s not escaped the notice of the press that certain people – Kemi Badanoch, Penny Mordaunt, Suella Braverman, Grant Shapps to name but a few – went missing the day Rishi announced the date of the election and haven’t been seen since
No doubt they’ll be holed up in a deep bunker strategising their next move and deciding on a leader……….…
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………….they’ll eventually be noticed as missing the day after the election and eventually found dead, having turned on each other soon after entering the bunker
I can wish,
^^ There'll be some epic blood letting amongst the Tories after the election.
At least it will happen whilst they are out of power* so the country doesn't have to pay for the carnage for a change.
*Not jinxing it hopefully!
The issue we have with usual suspects is not they don’t like Starmer but the fact they are unremitingly negative about anything,
Maybe because we can't see any positives. Help me out and list what positive difference you think we will see with a Starmer government based on any detail he has given?
I have agreed that one positive is that it won't be the tories in power so the personalities and aims of the government will be a bit less awful but that is not really something that gives me that much of a positive feeling if I can't see any differences that will actually matter to peoples lives outside of the political nonsense.
Who's in the firing line today (turn page of far right playbook)
Ah, we've had a go at the young, immigrants, now it's the LGBT+ community.
Surely Suella and Kemi are going to have to show their faces to talk about this?
He’s saying it because it gives racists a warm fuzzy feeling.
The ones he wants to vote for him? You know how democracy works, don't you?
So Diane Abbott will stand after all?
Well if one believes that basically no one outside of Tower Hamlets or Westminster was that bothered when she wasn't going to be the candidate, you can't really argue that her standing will have a significant effect either.
It has barely moved the dial in all honesty, so on we go.
31 days to go.
Over the past few months, the people I have spoken to who said they will not vote for Labour all share one thing: not childish anger or silly idealism, but relief. After giving the party several chances and grappling with their choices, the decision not to vote gave them a sense of congruence. Their political choices finally aligned with their values, and gave them a sense of autonomy in a system that felt totally out of their control.
I know this article is going to be met with the usual howls of derision and denial but it's worth a read.
Not really relevant for the former Tory voters who are now the strongest defenders of this new New Labour, obviously.
The ones he wants to vote for him? You know how democracy works, don’t you?
You know how you end up with racists and bigots running the country, don't you? Here's a hint. It's not by pushing back against their backwards views.
I really can't believe people are saying Starmer is right to be courting BNP voters.
This article in this mornings Guardian confirms what we’ve seen in Bury North, a marginal constituency with a tiny Tory majority. They’re pouring resources into a seat they are surely absolutely guaranteed to lose, probably really heavily
As strategies go, this seems absolutely nuts!
“The Conservative party is pursuing an “ostrich strategy” on Facebook, spending almost all of its ad budget since the beginning of the year in constituencies that were once marginal but are now looking more like surefire losses, Guardian analysis shows.”
Tories pursuing ‘ostrich strategy’ on Facebook campaign ads
It has barely moved the dial in all honesty, so on we go.
Just as I pointed out early last week - 99.9% of us didn't care either way.