So may not exactly have been lying but may have been economical with the truth
`spoken like a lawyer..........wait!....starmer is a lawyer aint he?.
BBC reporting that she's been readmitted to the party.
In other news, I saw that Sunak was at Churchill China in Stoke today. I was unfortunate enough to get sent there to do work experience in 2002. I was as about as enthusiastic as his audience looked.
So may not exactly have been lying but may have been economical with the truth.
He told the BBC on Friday that it was "getting to the end of the disciplinary procedure". The end of the disciplinary was 5 months ago.
So clearly not the truth. If he wanted to be truthful he should have been honest and said "we finished the disciplinary procedure 5 months ago but I still haven't decided what to do about restoring the Labour whip because if I stall it long enough another Labour general election candidate will be bounced in"
In other news, I saw that Sunak was at Churchill China in Stoke today. I was unfortunate enough to get sent there to do work experience in 2002. I was as about as enthusiastic as his audience
Imagine being pressganged from your shit job to attend an audience with not just over-enthusiastic head boy Sunak but also the knuckle-draggers knuckle-dragger Johnathan Gullis?
No wonder they looked like they’d lost the will to live.
No, to be fair at my workplaces (current and past) a disciplinary procedure ends after the sanction is agreed/confirmed, until then it's still ongoing.
It might be dubious that it takes 5 months to agree the sanction and only now fixed now it's become a time limited issue with the upcoming election, but I can see a version of the truth where they were still coming to the end of the disciplinary procedure last Friday.
BBC reporting that she’s been readmitted to the party.
Though apparently hasn't yet been selected as candidate. If she doesn't get selected she should stand as an independent.
Well, who’d have thunk it?
So a subset of Boomers, not all Boomers?
she should stand as an independent.
I could be wrong but I doubt that she would stand as an independent, I get the impression that she is too committed to the Labour Party.
Edit: Although that could change post July 4th, depending on how things pan out. I think it is plausible that there might be a new, small, but credible, left-wing party by the time of the 2029 general election.
Anyway - what is the procedure where she has the whip restored, is readmitted to the party, and yet is unlisted from the seat she's held for (checks Wiki) 37 years.
And if that happens, does it really impact on black voters? Is her treatment because of her race or what she did and said? I think we have to be careful to assume black voters will automatically side with her, do we not risk stereotyping? Black voters can have opinions on antisemitism that see beyond the race of the person that made the comments.
I think you’re being dismissive of the gingers.
She outed herself as a blatant gingerist. A gingerphobe
We need answers though. This whole election campaign so far the entire country has been asking only one question….
”what’s going on with Diane Abbot?”
Is her treatment because of her race or what she did and said?
Well she was suspended for telling the truth and then apologizing for telling the truth.
You would need to be out of your mind to believe that someone like Rachel Riley has been the victim of prejudice and racism throughout her life to the same extent as a black woman such as Diane Abbott.
I think that Diane Abbott would not have been suspended by Starmer had she been Jewish, look at the stuff that Margaret Hodge got away with!
And remember this is now all playing out against the background of the warm welcome that Elphicke received from Starmer, so we know that he is very flexible when it comes to tolerance of varying political opinions.
That's not my point or my question though. I don't deny she has been victim to horrific racism; I agreed a month or two back after the Hester comments. My question is whether irrespective of that, it's right to assume that black voters will automatically side with her over a different matter.
entire country has been asking only one question….
”what’s going on with Diane Abbot?”
Obviously not. But some people are asking "what's going on with Diane Abbott?" In fact on the news on the telly this evening there was quite a lengthy segment on that question.
The problem is that the Tories see her as a gift, ignoring the daft article she wrote (and fwiw, she apologised, did the training, so that should be the end). They see her as an asset to them in the same way corbyn is.
Starmer is on a mission so putting abbot in the lords is not surprising
I could see the point Diane Abbott was trying to make, it was badly made, she apologised, move on. The way Labour has handled it is as clumsy and prejudiced as the original "crime" IMO.
Colour is more visible than being Irish or Jewish. You can change you headware and your name by deedpoll but you can't change the colour of your skin.
Starmer is so paranoid about being accused of anti-semitism he just mumbles about Gaza. Even Biden is more forthright.
This evenings tory policy plan is to shut down underperforming uni courses & boost apprenticeships
if they did get re-elected,which the won’t, how on earth do they propose doing that?
Let me guess… there are no actual details about that because they literally dreamt it up about an hour ago
Seriously, these two had a better planned and more coherent election campaign
We all need to be more Dynamite.
Though id give the time machine a miss.😂
the victim of prejudice and racism throughout her life to the same extent
Oh, well that makes it ok then… 🙄
My wife is from the Travelling Community and the abuse I’ve had to put up with for marrying her is a disgrace and nothing compared to the contempt that that subset is held in general. But it’s ok because it’s not as bad…
Oh, well that makes it ok then… 🙄
That is what was said is it? That is the conclusion that you have come to?
Life must be hard for people who struggle with simple comprehension.
Condescending much?
While you didn’t type those exact words your meaning was pretty clear.
While you didn’t type those exact words your meaning was pretty clear.
I typed the exact words which you copied and pasted. However you chose to lift them out of context and put your own interpretation on them.
I initially thought that it was a lack of comprehension on your part but I can see now that it was deliberate.
This is what I said in its full and unedited version:
You would need to be out of your mind to believe that someone like Rachel Riley has been the victim of prejudice and racism throughout her life to the same extent as a black woman such as Diane Abbott.
I stick 100% to that comment. And I think it is insulting and offensive to black women such as Diane Abbott to pretend that someone like Rachel Riley has experienced the same level of prejudice and racism.
It's pretty disgraceful imo.
The only person making comparisons on levels of racism and abuse is you. It’s also you who is belittling the racism and abuse that others experience when compared to a black woman. That’s disgraceful.
This whole election campaign so far the entire country has been asking only one question….
”what’s going on with Diane Abbot?”
To be fair, you can't blame her for being dismissive of prejudice suffered by other racial minorities. Her uncle Russ was a terrible anti-ginger, anti-Celtic, English cultural imperialist.
I and everyone I know live in non-Tory safe seats. Should I be doing anything to help?
In the Brexit vote I assumed Remain would be an easy win, so I didn't do or say anything to anyone about the whole thing.
All the projected Tory wins on https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast are a fair distance away from me and I don't have any real connection with them. Seat covering the Tweed Valley is projected to be a Tory win by 5 percentage points, which is a bit irksome as I do spend quite a few weekends a year and money in that and the also Tory neighbouring constituency.
To be fair, you can’t blame her for being dismissive of prejudice suffered by other racial minorities. Her uncle Russ was a terrible anti-ginger, anti-Celtic, English cultural imperialist.
Close the thread, we're done here.
So, Rishi's plan so far is
- Reintroduce National Service
- Alter taxes for pensioners
- Cut university courses to boost apprenticeship
Quick question, does doing an apprenticeship exempt you from National Service, or do you start afterwards, at say 20 years old? Not forgetting you're at school to the age of 18 doing maths.
Until the manifestos appear this is a really dull and incoherent campaign.
Proof - this thread is no different to the Sunak thread.
Labour are in a twist over anything remotely economically logical and the Tories are just being useless.
I'm guessing the Tories manifesto will be done with magnetic letters on a fridge and Labour will be lifting stuff from a 90s Tory garden party conversation.
And why is Ed Davey falling off a SUP?
I mean are we meant to look forward to more bullshit/lies in a suit from Starmer?
And why is Ed Davey falling off a SUP?
For the same reason that Rishi Sunak is failing at playing football.
Some advisor somewhere has arranged a photoshoot to show how Man of the People he is and he's gone along with it.
Ed Davey, action dad figure. Oh no, he's fallen in. Again.
Actually being fair to him, he was there to highlight the serious issues of pollution and water companies dumping sewage, it generated more headlines than Ed Davey going for a scenic paddle around and he also managed a joke that even falling in he still wasn't as wet as Rishi Sunak.
Which was quite funny for a politician.
God that map has my blue till it dies area as only having a predicted .6% majority for the scum.
Looks like I need to go and volunteer
So, Rishi’s plan so far is
Reintroduce National Service
Alter taxes for pensioners
Cut university courses to boost apprenticeship
For an avowed libertarian, he doesn’t sound very… erm… libertarian, does he? More Kim Jong Un than Ayn Rand
I’m half expecting him to announce the new apprenticeships will be used to bolster tractor production figures
I've just read that Labour have confirmed that they will see through the 'dangerous cycling' law which the Tories started.
Are our politicians really this thick?
The only person making comparisons on levels of racism and abuse is you.
Absolutely I am making comparisons with levels of racism, you would be living in a very strange world if you thought all levels of racism were equal.
I used the example of Rachel Riley precisely because she is a white woman, not black like Diane Abbott. The idea that they have both suffered the same level of racism throughout their lives is patently absurd.
I arrived to the UK on a boat at the age of 6 unable to speak any English, do you think I have experienced racism throughout my life? Do you think the fact that I am white and not black has had a bearing on the issue? My father's poor English and extremely strong accent did occasionally draw some abuse, do you think that was comparable with the racist abuse that Diane Abbott has experienced?
I'll remind you that the claim by the Tory Party chief doner that Diane Abbott made him hate all black women and that she should be shot made the news recently. It is pretty offensive to suggest that black people don't suffer more racism than white people.
And that sort of nonsense is likely to alienate black people from the Labour Party, understandably.
First post National Service announced poll.... Has Labour extending their lead to 27points!
https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1795683085943525716?t=cJJ-qC9y6EBMPgobU-rNfw&s=19
So the National Service "bounce" is all Labour's!
More stereotyping of voting intentions by the Gaurdian this morning
My wife is now proper upset as she always thought Waitrose was the supermarket of choice by progressives and liberal thinkers! She's not happy this morning 🙂
Are our politicians really this thick?
That's a rhetorical question right?
Absolutely I am making comparisons with levels of racism, you would be living in a very strange world if you thought all levels of racism were equal.
Since members of the Travelling Community were specifically mentioned, I'd say they experience racism differently to black people and in this specific case applying a hierarchy is not really possible and understandably causes offence.
It may not be immediately obvious that someone is a member of the Travelling Community. However, racism toward the Travelling Community is accepted in a way that racism toward Black people is not.
Pretty much any thread involving the Travelling Community shows this racism is accepted even on a liberal place like STW. That's why the threads get closed straight away (and I'm not sure but I think they completely disappear).
So yes, not all racism is the same but you have to be very careful when you start talking about hierarchies.
First post National Service announced poll…
Seems like the electorate is interested in delivering some kind of 'national service', just not the one Rishi envisaged.
Meanwhile, the LibDems are even more desperate for attention than usual. Chucking yourself into a lake full of sewage intentionally just to get your picture in the papers instead of Nigel.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cjkkn6pvgppo
Pretty much any thread involving the Travelling Community shows this racism is accepted even on a liberal place like STW.
Yup, definitely. Anti-Romany prejudice is the only form of racism which is widely considered acceptable by the liberal middle-classes, no doubt about it.
